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Suck it up - or not?

51 replies

Brotherlyunlove · 08/03/2024 10:45

After an argument with DP this evening, I’d really appreciate the views of others.

Over the last 15 years, virtually every occasion that I’ve met DP’s younger brother there has been some remark (or more frequently, multiple remarks) made by him that has offended me and I have got to the stage where I have no desire to spend any time in his company because I feel like I’m constantly being goaded, my character assassinated, or I’m the butt of jokes.

DP is aware of this and has spoken to his brother on at least 2 occasions after I complained to him about how I felt, but it seems to have had little effect. DP is also of the belief that his brother displays some autistic traits and his interactions with me are his way of “bantering” with no intent to offend. Whether or not that is an accurate assessment, I dislike the encounters, get stressed by the prospect of them, and am constantly on my guard about not telling him to fuck off as I would with anyone else who behaved in this way with me. Indeed, if it were anyone else, I simply would have avoided any further contact after an unacceptable line had been crossed.

However, since he’s “family” I have been more circumspect for DP’s sake, make meals when he visits and am polite as I would be for any other visiting acquaintance - but, for those that know me well, I’m very offhand and grey rock in any conversation. This may make him worse, I don’t know.

We live some distance apart so visits are only a few times a year at most but his brother has been pushing an invite to DP to visit his house for the last year. Because of the distance, it has to be an overnight trip as a minimum. I simply don’t want to go and have told DP this but he believes I should “suck it up because that’s what families do” - but I have no family I’m asking him to do this with and my friends are not rude to DP when they visit. I’ve told DP to go on his own but he thinks that would be rude and he also says he thinks I would be annoyed if he did this (I wouldn’t if it meant I didn’t have to go too). Staying elsewhere is also not an option. So we argued.

If relevant, we are all in our late forties.

Am I being unfair to DP by refusing to go? I can just about tolerate it if his brother comes to our house as there is always something else I can be doing to minimise the amount of time I spend with him although, I admit, there is always a “must we?” conversation when I’m told he is planning to visit us. If you have been in this situation, how have you managed it?

OP posts:
Peekaboobo · 08/03/2024 10:49

Nah don't go

Cathbrownlow · 08/03/2024 10:50

No bloody way would I be going.

SheepAndSword · 08/03/2024 10:55

No, enjoy a night to yourself!

BigFatLiar · 08/03/2024 10:57

His brother let him go on his own.

Hbosh · 08/03/2024 10:57

"Suck it up, it's family" is one of your husbands beliefs.
It doesn't have to be yours. Your husband is free to live his life according to his beliefs. He has no right to impose them on you.

You absolutely don't have to go anywhere you don't feel comfortable, not for HIS family, not for him, not for anyone.
Your husband is completely in the wrong for asking this of you. It also shows that your husband has quite rigid beliefs about his duties towards his family, and it makes me wonder how much he will put up with himself without giving his family any stern boundaries. Makes me worried about your husband too.

Iamnotawinp · 08/03/2024 11:08

Your husband is being unreasonable making you go if you don’t want to. You have given good enough reasons.

You could try the following options

“I don’t want to go/Im not going”

“If I go i can’t promise not to tell him to fuck off to his face. If it upsets the rest of your family, then it’s on you for making me go”

Go this one time, but deliberately make yourself as unpleasant to his younger brother as you can. Either the brother will learn to back off, or your DP will learn he needs to listen to your feelings in future.

TheGreatGherkin · 08/03/2024 11:13

There have been innumerable threads on here about tolerating appalling behaviour because "it's family". No you don't have to tolerate it, stand your ground, you wouldn't put up with it from anyone else.

Brexile · 08/03/2024 11:18

I bet your DH wouldn't suck it up if you had a brother who insulted him. DH sounds selfish, trying to sweep the whole problem under the carpet because he's not the victim, so he doesn't care.

Scaffoldingisugly · 08/03/2024 11:20

Db doesn't like you so who does it benefit if you go?

karmakameleon · 08/03/2024 11:25

My SIL managed to insult me every time I visited so I just stopped going. DH is welcome to go wherever he wants. He stopped too after a couple of trips without me as he said he didn’t really enjoy it either. We’ve tried staying elsewhere but you still need to visit the person and see them so that didn’t work.

I’ve also said that DH is welcome to have her over to us, but she comes rarely. We tend to just go for lunch or dinner on the rare occasions she visits us and that is about as much as I can stomach.

PieAndLattes · 08/03/2024 11:39

Why on earth does your DP want you to endure visits to someone who makes you the butt of insults and belittling? Why does he want you to go somewhere that he knows will upset you? No way would I put up with that. Just don’t go and tell him you’re not going anywhere voluntarily where you’re treated badly.

Brotherlyunlove · 08/03/2024 11:40

Ok, so permanently not going would be my absolute preference (or, never seeing him again would be even better but that’s not likely), and I get the point about it being one of DP’s values and it doesn’t have to be one of mine, but it does cause friction between DP and I and that’s what I’d like to avoid.

Hbosh: I’ve had the exact conversation with him to establish my boundaries but he is not backing down. I’ve also managed to avoid going to his brother’s house for the last 2.5 years using this technique. I don’t think DP is at any risk of being unduly influenced.

Iamnotawinp: I wouldn’t be actively unpleasant but I think you have given me a new angle to explore with “If I go i can’t promise not to tell him to fuck off to his face. If it upsets the rest of your family, then it’s on you for making me go” 👍

Brexile: I’m not sure about DP not tolerating. Because of his job, he’s dealt with worse being thrown at him and I think he would suck it up. It’s never going to be put to the test though. He’s not the victim but he is the piggy in the middle.

Scaffoldingisugly: DP doesn’t think that DB dislikes me though. He thinks it’s just part of his personality as he appears to be unintentionally rude on a regular basis to other people - and he’s called him out on those occasions too.

Karmakameleon: if he lived closer, just going out for a meal occasionally would be stomachable like you do, although him coming to our house means I have the ability to actively distance myself as we have a large enough house and I have lots of things to do. It’s going to his “territory” that I object to.

I know it’s easy to think I have a DP problem or a boundary issue if I tolerate this, but I want to avoid having a problem with my DP as a result. Has anyone else found anyone found any other ways of balancing things with their partner in these circumstances?

OP posts:
LadyDanburysHat · 08/03/2024 11:45

Tell your DP clearly it is his family not yours. This is your line in the sand, hill to die on. You will not be going, there is no more discussion to be had on the matter.

karmakameleon · 08/03/2024 11:50

If you don’t want to go to his house, just don’t. You’re married but not joined at the hip. Surely you’re allowed to do things separately if you want to?

RollOnSpringDays · 08/03/2024 11:52

You really don’t have to go - I wouldn’t and it’s actually quite normal, even if you all got on, for the two brothers to spend time together.

karmakameleon · 08/03/2024 11:55

Btw, my SIL lives a flight away so not close at all. Lunch or dinner is as much time as I’m willing to give her.

Turtletunes · 08/03/2024 11:56

In a similar situation, I sucked it up and now deeply regret it.

vanillaclouds · 08/03/2024 12:00

I had a sil like this she was very rude and while I was at mil and pil she rang her parents, mil put her on loudspeaker so she could talk to dh but before she knew this she was making unkind jokes about me to mil while I sat beside mil on loudspeaker.
I already knew what they were like and mil just laughed it off as that's what she's like but it wouldn't occur to me to mock my brothers wife to my mum unless she felt the same way as she'd hear none of it because she loves her dil.

I told dh when we left that would be the last time I'd see his family and I stuck to it, he was welcome to go without me but decided to stand by me and hasn't seen them in over 10 years.

It didn't come between us we've got 3 dc now and they've never met them but of course they blame me and have told everyone I won't let dh see his family because I want him all to myself and I've broken their family and stolen their son and Grandchildren.
Dh has a phone and he knows how to make a call. He also has a car and has their address but no it's all me.

Brotherlyunlove · 08/03/2024 12:02

I think this is less of an issue about whether I go or not, but more of how do I manage the relationship with DP if I don’t. He thinks I’m unreasonable, I think I’m not. There is conflict between us as a result.

Thankfully DP and his brother have a number of shared interests that mean DP is in contact with and sees his brother more frequently.

OP posts:
Peekaboobo · 08/03/2024 12:04

I would just let my DP think that I was unreasonable. To be honest you won't change that. He'll think what he thinks.

vanillaclouds · 08/03/2024 12:09

Brotherlyunlove · 08/03/2024 12:02

I think this is less of an issue about whether I go or not, but more of how do I manage the relationship with DP if I don’t. He thinks I’m unreasonable, I think I’m not. There is conflict between us as a result.

Thankfully DP and his brother have a number of shared interests that mean DP is in contact with and sees his brother more frequently.

Agree to disagree, you are under no obligation to spend valuable time with someone you're not comfortable being around.
He has the option to go without you.
You have the option to go or not to go.
I would explain how it upsets you and how db doesn't respect you or value you but you do have self respect and value yourself enough to keep your self away from toxic people.
If he keeps on keep to the same script.

Fraaahnces · 08/03/2024 12:10

I would absolutely refuse to go and put myself through that. I don’t know why you cook meals for the knob when he visits, either… Why isn’t DP doing this, or taking him out? I would be asking why his brother’s opinions are more valuable to him than your well-being.

GrumpyPanda · 08/03/2024 12:10

I dislike the encounters, get stressed by the prospect of them, and am constantly on my guard about not telling him to fuck off as I would with anyone else who behaved in this way with me.

And there's your problem. Why don't you pipe up when it happens?

Also, get your husband to cook for the next visit.

Gerwurtztraminer · 08/03/2024 12:11

Has anyone else found anyone found any other ways of balancing things with their partner in these circumstances?
Short answer is no. There is no half way house here. Either you 'suck it up' and go (reseting partner as you do), or you don't go and if partner won't accept your reasons for not going there is no way to avoid the fact there is a problem. Y

It doesn't matter what brother's intentions are - he's rude and you don't have to tolerate that. You're not being unreasonable and "family" doesn't trump your feelings. Your partner is perfectly capable of going on his own he just doesn't want to. Not your problem.

'Grey rock', repeat your decision is not to go and refuse to argue.

kirinm · 08/03/2024 12:14

Nope. I wouldn't go.

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