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In despair at the state of my marriage and stuck abroad

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:13

I don’t know what to do. I’ve been with my H for 7 years, will have been married 5 this summer. I have one dd aged 9 who has no contact with her bio dad. She calls my H daddy and he has been in her life since age 2. We live abroad for H job (I also work here, remotely) and have an amazing life on paper; nice flat, holidays, no money worries, great healthcare, good savings pot.

But. I am just at the end of my rope with H. Things have been up and down with us since probably the first year we were together. We got together when we were late 20s and he didn’t find blending into my family easy, he had a strict dysfunctional childhood with an alcoholic bipolar mum and he had no experience with young kids. He is very strict about things like ‘answering back’ and I think his punishments are too harsh eg suggesting naughty step when she was barely 2 or confiscating favourite toys for ages. He always has been insecure about his role in my DDs life. It is something we have argued about for years, and most recently on Friday when we had a huge blowout because he feels DD doesn’t show him “any respect” (she’s going through a tough time at school and I think is a bit hormonal and she said she ‘hated him’, which he refused to accept was just something kids say and that I’d told her off appropriately for it.) This has happened for years, probably at least once a month, and he will storm off/sulk, be angry with me and accuse me of undermining him or not ‘listening”. For him, in arguments me responding equates to me “not listening”. He can be so cruel when he’s angry and worked up. Has called me a “shitty wife”, said I’m “not suited to relationships”, I “hate all men”, “have no ability to communicate” and I want everything my way. We have separated 4 times in the past 7 years for between a week and a month at a time, we had about a year of couples therapy to sort things out before we moved but after the fun of moving wore off we were back to episodes of sulking and arguments. I also got a little too close to a male friend (no physical affair) as I was lonely and even though I was honest with him about it and curbed it, now H will throw at me stuff like “you’re a cheater, you’ll always be a cheater” and uses it as an example of why I’m a shit person. He also hates that I chose not to wear a wedding ring and has yelled at me about it constant times. I have ASD and sensory issues and don’t even wear earrings, but now it’s become a stick to beat me with. We used to have great sex and a laugh and I loved him, but all that feels like it has eroded so much.

A couple weeks ago he told me to ‘get out’ even though my name is on all the household bills and it’s DDs home. He’s now said in an argument that he didn’t even want to move here, which involved upending all our lives 2 years ago and me leaving a well paid job, and he only did it because I wanted to (and I’m so controlling etc), and now he wants to hand in his 2 weeks notice and go home. This would mean a big move (planned probably by me as I had to arrange all packing/shipping last time), hauling DD out of school and her friends, and going back to the U.K. where we have no property or base. He also said he thought our marriage couldn’t ever work. Then the next morning he said he didn’t mean those things. I feel like I don’t know which way is up. I hate exposing DD to our issues and his moods. Should I just take her back to the the U.K. myself? I absolutely love it here and so does she but this situation feels so fragile. Since the most recent argument he has booked a therapy session for himself. He is trying to talk me round saying that in the U.K. we can build a “forever home” for DD, something I have not been able to do for her yet, and something I don’t have myself as my parents divorce was awful, the house repossessed and I grew up mainly in poverty and have little family now.

He is not all bad. He can be fun on holidays or when he’s in a good mood. He does the cooking and shopping and some DIY (but I do everything else.) But. He is a depressive and games in his spare time for hours and we have nothing to talk about anymore. He doesn’t take DD out unless I specifically suggest it. He has gained 2ston since we met and has bad dental hygiene and I don’t fancy him anymore- I would never say that- but we haven’t had sex in about 7 months now. I know it sounds terrible but I’m no saint though. But it just seems like he is unhappy and it’s leading him to act in a way he doesn’t even like. He also wants a baby with me and I cannot imagine it, much as I do want another, our relationship is so volatile.

Whenever we have separated I have always caved and gone back because he feels ‘safe’. But I don’t know why he feels safe when he hurts me (and DD) so much with his outbursts and moods. I’m scared of what comes next, and I feel like I should suck it up and let her stay here in school with her friends and her nice life, and make ways to accommodate H more so he doesn’t get angry so much. But I do worry that if he’s like this now, what will he be like when she’s a bolshy teen? She currently describes him as ‘grumpy’. She’s heard us argue a lot as we have little childcare and live in a flat.

We are meant to be going on holiday on Saturday for a week and I’m dreading it. Wtf do I do? Please help.

OP posts:
Mischance · 28/03/2024 11:07

I lived my childhood tiptoeing around bickering parents. It is pretty darned miserable.
Getting your DD out of this situation is important. I appreciate that the visa and other complications that arise from living abroad make things much more complicated. But I do think it is important that you extricate her from this somehow. And never forget the stress it must be putting on you! .... you matter too ....

FasterthanaButteredOtter · 28/03/2024 11:47

Her life isn't "happy" living with this awful arsehole.

Time to leave, definitely.

crackofdoom · 28/03/2024 12:00

Growing up with a moody, critical, negative father figure can have lasting effects on a young girl. Ask me how I know 😪

Daz57 · 28/03/2024 12:26

As other posters have suggested, could you not separate but stay in the country where you are living? It sounds as though you and your daughter could be happy there.
Wishing you the best of luck.

bluebells29 · 28/03/2024 13:24

As I think I said upthread I have no way to stay in the country on my own. There would be no option except to take dd back to the U.K.
Tbf I feel closer to just leaving and doing that than I ever have. She’s had some issues at her school and it’s not a great school so the timing is ok. I just know she will miss her friends so much. She really assimilated here. And she will miss her stepdad, regardless of how things have been. I checked and my work are happy to set me up as a U.K. employee so I will have money and I have very solid savings enough for a house/flat deposit, I would move near my family members. But I feel so much panic at the thought of leaving though. Debilitating panic. H and I have been pretty much codependent for years. We used to love each other so much. It physically pains me to remember that. We always did argue and we were up and down but the love was there. Now everything I do irritates him and he is so angry with me. And I don’t want sex. I just wish we could live as friends and be kind to each other but I know that’s not happening. I guess I also feel angry that his life won’t change, he can stay here, and my and dd life will be upheaved. I would never recommend anyone to be a trailing spouse.

how do I stop these sad and panicked feelings?

OP posts:
Whatifthehokeycokey · 28/03/2024 13:40

I know it's scary, but much better to move back to the UK now and start getting DD settled before secondary school. This is no marriage.

Mangolover123 · 28/03/2024 13:54

Just do it. Do you have strong family network back in the UK.
Can you leave at the end of this academic year and move back, say you are coming for the school holidays, if you don't want confrontation.
If you start planning now, you can do it. If you leave it you will not do it.
You are not happy, your daughter is not happy.
You are young still to start building your career and life back up.
You have money behind you, you have a job.
You sound a strong young woman, don't let him beat you down.
Just do it.

Caterina99 · 28/03/2024 14:00

You should definitely leave OP. You say you’re staying for your DD, but it’s not in her best interests at all for you to remain in an unhappy marriage with an unpleasant man who isn’t even her father. Apart from being away from him, surely she’ll gain by being near your family? Children are resilient in terms of friends and schools, especially if you go soon and provide her with a stable secondary school experience.

You’ve got one thing ticked off - job. Sounds like you know where you want to be located. Can you stay with family or friends while you secure a property?

I’d go in the summer holidays ready for your DD to start school in September.

RandomVillageLife · 28/03/2024 14:05

So to start with re your dd and moving back to the U.K.,
you need to remember that you are there as an expat. There was always going to be a time when you would move away, back to the U.K. or somewhere else. But it was unlikely that she was going to spend all her childhood until Uni there.
Moving away fro where you are has always been part if the deal, now or later. So I really wouldn’t see that as adding a burden that you would be adding on for her.

Then I’d really contact a lawyer specialised in divorce in those conditions. You need to be sure that you won’t get shafted. Let’s because you’ve moved back to the U.K., bought a house and he is now entitled to half of it etc….
A good thing is that, because he is not your dd’s father, he can’t stop you from going back to the U.K. with her.

As fur being terrified.
I think that’s what happens when you live under such pressure. Your self esteem will have been eroded as well as a clear idea of what’s acceptable or not.
But please remember. Not the good times, not the times when 7 years ago he was a really nice guy. The hard times now. The times when your dd ends up thinking it’s all her fault. The times when he is insulting you. The times when he is shouting, threatening to leave etc…
Find your anger. It will give you the strength to leave.

Oh and please repare everything and tell him as late as you can (thinking about your dd etc… maybe moving around the summer hols could be a good compromise for everyone there). You dint need the extra pressure from him to convince you to stay instead.

Shetlands · 28/03/2024 15:49

@bluebells29"how do I stop these sad and panicked feelings?"

I don't think you can, at the moment. The urge to leave is overwhelming though and you know it's the right thing to do so you have to pack your sadness and panic along with your essentials and just get on a plane. Once you're back here, you'll wonder why it took you so long.

Edited to add that I'd do it now and not wait for the summer holidays. You'll both need a break when you get here and then you can spend the summer term looking at possible schools for September and settling in to where you're going to live. If you leave it until the holidays, the schools will all be closed so you won't be able to look around while they're in session.

Loopytiles · 28/03/2024 18:44

‘ There would be no option except to take dd back to the U.K’

That’s a great option! Do that! for your DC

Indicateyourintentions · 28/03/2024 21:32

You need to grieve for the relationship you thought you had, for all the effort you’ve put in and all the future plans you thought you had. Letting it all go is hard but you can do it. Face up to it, get help from a good therapist if that will get you past the worst and show your daughter how to be a strong young woman.
Also, don’t tell him anything. Protect yourself better, you do not deserve his abuse because you have chosen a better life.

Clare2027 · 28/03/2024 21:50

My husband is not willing to reconcile with my sisters and my brother in law since they interfered in our marriage last year. I was in a state of despair and I told them everything going on between us and they told me it seemed like I was in a verbally abusive relationship and I should leave if I wanted to and then my sister messaged my husband after getting angry at his treatment towards me. After that we sorted things out and improved our marriage he now has a new job where we'd be moving abroad and they wanted to apologise to him and make up to be civil but he's not interested. So much so that he's not even willing to ever face them at family gatherings as he said he will swear at them. I'm so stressed and anxious I hate this feeling of dread but he's not having it. He said if this is a deal breaker then I need to decide. We have a 3 year old and i just hate that he's not willing to even be civil for my sake even though they've apologised and accepted their mistakes. How do we reach a resolution?

Zanatdy · 28/03/2024 21:55

I’d say you’re going back for a holiday and assess how you feel when back. I lived with a sulker, and he started to treat my eldest (not his son) poorly and I had no choice in the end to leave him. We had 2 children of our own, 5 and 2 then. My son was 15 when he started ignoring him, and making him feel uncomfortable in his own home. He loved to sulk, he once didn’t speak to me for 6wks. I don’t even know what it was over, something trivial. I was conflicted as he’s not all bad, even though it sounds like it. It’s been 13yrs and he does feel genuine remorse at his behaviour, but how do you go back from that. I found out last year he did it on purpose as he wanted to hurt me and that was the only way he knew how. He has been to therapy, our relationship was over the minute he started to treat my son badly, and despite claims over the years I’m the love of his life I told him I didn’t believe he ever really loved me at all as who does that to an innocent child to hurt someone. Don’t hang around and let your child really be scarred by this situation, as we all know that when the teen years hit his behaviour towards her will get worse. Maybe even if she was his bio child.

My ex has had moments where I’ve had to tell him he’s hurting his child but he loves his children and will always work it out, apologise. Problem with my son was he wasn’t his child and he didn’t love him, he resented him as he knew I didn’t really love him in the way he wanted (and I didn’t, and I should have left before it got to the situation it did, I’m no innocent party). Your daughter will quickly adapt, and I’m sure he happy to be surrounded by extended family. Good luck

MollyButton · 28/03/2024 22:19

Clare2027 · 28/03/2024 21:50

My husband is not willing to reconcile with my sisters and my brother in law since they interfered in our marriage last year. I was in a state of despair and I told them everything going on between us and they told me it seemed like I was in a verbally abusive relationship and I should leave if I wanted to and then my sister messaged my husband after getting angry at his treatment towards me. After that we sorted things out and improved our marriage he now has a new job where we'd be moving abroad and they wanted to apologise to him and make up to be civil but he's not interested. So much so that he's not even willing to ever face them at family gatherings as he said he will swear at them. I'm so stressed and anxious I hate this feeling of dread but he's not having it. He said if this is a deal breaker then I need to decide. We have a 3 year old and i just hate that he's not willing to even be civil for my sake even though they've apologised and accepted their mistakes. How do we reach a resolution?

I wouldn't be moving abroad with him. It would take years of him really trying and showing he would even forgive and reconcile with family before I would trust him again.
Start your own thread and get some outside help.

BrendaSmall · 28/03/2024 22:27

bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:36

@Dozycuntlaters its awful but the main things in the list would be familiarity, and money related. As well as the fact I hate the idea of ruining DDs happy life. It’s not even about love anymore.

Do you really think your daughter is happy living with that man??

bluebells29 · 30/03/2024 21:28

But genuinely, how can I do this to dc? Just book a flight in the near future and take them home? They would be so upset. But I know I can’t stand to stay here with H if we are splitting, it’s just too much. How do I explain this to them? Does it make me a shit parent? Feel so low about it all today. H started another row with me at 7am this morning when I just woke up, because he was stressed about doing taxes. I just want to go home but it’s not that simple. Dc has friends, all their stuff, school….. if it were me I’d probably have been long gone but I feel paralysed. She had such a nice time with her friends doing an egg hunt yesterday. I feel like I’ve failed.

OP posts:
PaminaMozart · 30/03/2024 22:28

Just book a flight in the near future and take them home

Yes - just that. End of school year if not before.

Your child will adjust. She'll be so much better off and ultimately happier than if she were to continue growing up in this toxic environment.

You'd be doing her no favour by martyring yourself.

NB: before you leave, seek local legal advice about how to get divorced. Also ask about transferring 50% of savings/investments to accounts in your name. All you need at this point is an initial consultation to make sure you can plan ahead.

Nicole1111 · 31/03/2024 08:05

You tell her that everyone deserves to live in a home where people don’t get cross and shout at them all the time and so you’re moving out and you’re going to make your own home closer to family. Explain you know it’s hard to leave a school and friends but you know she’ll make new friends as she’s such a lovely girl.

Seaoftroubles · 31/03/2024 08:46

You are enabling him by staying in this miserable and disfunctional relationship. Please take your daughter out of there and go home, she will soon settle and make new friends. She sounds lovely and deserves better than this awful current situation, it will have a lasting affect on her if you don't take action.
Re your panicky feelings start counselling as soon as you get back, you need advice and support for your co dependency. Don't hesitate OP, you can do it!

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Shetlands · 31/03/2024 11:16

I think you are letting the short term worries prevent you from doing the right thing for the longer term benefits. Yes your child will miss her friends and feel a bit unsettled but that will soon pass as she makes new friends and enjoys her life free from your husband.

You say things like being 'a shit parent' and 'failing' - you will be both of those things if you don't step up, find your courage and remove your daughter from this toxic situation. Yes it's as easy as telling her you're going on holiday and getting on a plane back here. Grit your teeth and do the right thing for her sake.

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