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In despair at the state of my marriage and stuck abroad

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bluebells29 · 12/02/2024 15:13

I don’t know what to do. I’ve been with my H for 7 years, will have been married 5 this summer. I have one dd aged 9 who has no contact with her bio dad. She calls my H daddy and he has been in her life since age 2. We live abroad for H job (I also work here, remotely) and have an amazing life on paper; nice flat, holidays, no money worries, great healthcare, good savings pot.

But. I am just at the end of my rope with H. Things have been up and down with us since probably the first year we were together. We got together when we were late 20s and he didn’t find blending into my family easy, he had a strict dysfunctional childhood with an alcoholic bipolar mum and he had no experience with young kids. He is very strict about things like ‘answering back’ and I think his punishments are too harsh eg suggesting naughty step when she was barely 2 or confiscating favourite toys for ages. He always has been insecure about his role in my DDs life. It is something we have argued about for years, and most recently on Friday when we had a huge blowout because he feels DD doesn’t show him “any respect” (she’s going through a tough time at school and I think is a bit hormonal and she said she ‘hated him’, which he refused to accept was just something kids say and that I’d told her off appropriately for it.) This has happened for years, probably at least once a month, and he will storm off/sulk, be angry with me and accuse me of undermining him or not ‘listening”. For him, in arguments me responding equates to me “not listening”. He can be so cruel when he’s angry and worked up. Has called me a “shitty wife”, said I’m “not suited to relationships”, I “hate all men”, “have no ability to communicate” and I want everything my way. We have separated 4 times in the past 7 years for between a week and a month at a time, we had about a year of couples therapy to sort things out before we moved but after the fun of moving wore off we were back to episodes of sulking and arguments. I also got a little too close to a male friend (no physical affair) as I was lonely and even though I was honest with him about it and curbed it, now H will throw at me stuff like “you’re a cheater, you’ll always be a cheater” and uses it as an example of why I’m a shit person. He also hates that I chose not to wear a wedding ring and has yelled at me about it constant times. I have ASD and sensory issues and don’t even wear earrings, but now it’s become a stick to beat me with. We used to have great sex and a laugh and I loved him, but all that feels like it has eroded so much.

A couple weeks ago he told me to ‘get out’ even though my name is on all the household bills and it’s DDs home. He’s now said in an argument that he didn’t even want to move here, which involved upending all our lives 2 years ago and me leaving a well paid job, and he only did it because I wanted to (and I’m so controlling etc), and now he wants to hand in his 2 weeks notice and go home. This would mean a big move (planned probably by me as I had to arrange all packing/shipping last time), hauling DD out of school and her friends, and going back to the U.K. where we have no property or base. He also said he thought our marriage couldn’t ever work. Then the next morning he said he didn’t mean those things. I feel like I don’t know which way is up. I hate exposing DD to our issues and his moods. Should I just take her back to the the U.K. myself? I absolutely love it here and so does she but this situation feels so fragile. Since the most recent argument he has booked a therapy session for himself. He is trying to talk me round saying that in the U.K. we can build a “forever home” for DD, something I have not been able to do for her yet, and something I don’t have myself as my parents divorce was awful, the house repossessed and I grew up mainly in poverty and have little family now.

He is not all bad. He can be fun on holidays or when he’s in a good mood. He does the cooking and shopping and some DIY (but I do everything else.) But. He is a depressive and games in his spare time for hours and we have nothing to talk about anymore. He doesn’t take DD out unless I specifically suggest it. He has gained 2ston since we met and has bad dental hygiene and I don’t fancy him anymore- I would never say that- but we haven’t had sex in about 7 months now. I know it sounds terrible but I’m no saint though. But it just seems like he is unhappy and it’s leading him to act in a way he doesn’t even like. He also wants a baby with me and I cannot imagine it, much as I do want another, our relationship is so volatile.

Whenever we have separated I have always caved and gone back because he feels ‘safe’. But I don’t know why he feels safe when he hurts me (and DD) so much with his outbursts and moods. I’m scared of what comes next, and I feel like I should suck it up and let her stay here in school with her friends and her nice life, and make ways to accommodate H more so he doesn’t get angry so much. But I do worry that if he’s like this now, what will he be like when she’s a bolshy teen? She currently describes him as ‘grumpy’. She’s heard us argue a lot as we have little childcare and live in a flat.

We are meant to be going on holiday on Saturday for a week and I’m dreading it. Wtf do I do? Please help.

OP posts:
Ohffsbarbara · 28/03/2024 02:32

Also, re your comments about lack of sex/not fancying him any more - it sounds like the Ick and IMO it’s usually irreversible.

No sex for 7 months and feeling horrified at the thought of having a baby with him are really not signs of a healthy relationship are they op? You can’t spend the rest of your life like that. Sounds like you really need some real life support.

merrymelodies · 28/03/2024 02:45

What occurs to me is how much worse his controlling behaviour will be when your DD hits puberty. Sooner or later she'll rebel and he'll likely freak out on her. Find a way to get away from him - this isn't a way to live! Flowers

Pacificisolated · 28/03/2024 02:56

Get out. Do not stay in this relationship. You are absolutely doing the right thing in leaving him and taking your DD back to the UK. Your DD’s current set up with a higher family income, school and friendships will not ever make up for the damage that this man will inflict on her self esteem and future romantic relationships. You are inadvertently teaching her to tolerate poor behaviour by staying with your husband.

MollyButton · 28/03/2024 03:03

Do come back to the UK. 9 is still a good age for your daughter to adjust. And you will both do better without him. And the rows will only get worse.

bluebells29 · 28/03/2024 03:05

I just feel he does not love me anymore due to his short fuse and it’s like I’ve hit a limit. I just want to be alone with dd. I’ve been on right move looking at rental properties near my family.

OP posts:
Jolenepleasetakeawaymyman · 28/03/2024 03:23

Good luck OP. I think moving back to UK would be a good move. For your daughter I know she is only 9 now but time goes fast and there are other reasons it make sense to move back for her. For example to be counted as a uk student for fees for university kids need to be resident in the uk at least 3 years before starting uni.

So from the September of Year 11. So in many ways it would benefit her to move back to settle in secondary before then.

I am moving back to my home country too leaving a difficult marriage. We can do this OP. Think how lovely it will be living in a calm peaceful home not walking on eggshells. And I am sure your DD will feel so much happier.

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 28/03/2024 03:24

There is absolutely nothing wrong with running away!

You run away because the situation you're in is horrible and you need to get out of it.

Can you start applying for jobs in the UK now? Can you stay with family temporarily?

I know you're scared, but the things that you're scared of are temporary and will end, what your husband is putting you through are not, they will continue until you leave.

bluebells29 · 28/03/2024 03:31

The thing is I did really love him, so much. For a long time. I invested so much in our ‘family’. I feel scared of how sad I might be and regrets I might have especially for dd and her future. But then staying could also lead to regrets. And I love it here and my friends and I don’t want to go. But I can’t stay unless I am with him. It’s a horrible horrible situation.

OP posts:
PaminaMozart · 28/03/2024 03:32

You need to take your daughter and return home.

pantsalot · 28/03/2024 04:19

How do you feel about spending the rest of your life with him when your daughter leaves?

Honestly, the bad dental hygiene would disgust me no wonder you haven't had sex for months. Go home - for you!

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/03/2024 04:41

it is important to get your dd the hell away from this man as soon as possible. She is just at the start of the rebellious years. They are hard. A child telling you they hate you and expecting an apology is little stuff and not worth getting het up over. If his approach is like this with everything, which from the little you’ve said it is, he’s going to seriously damage her self esteem.

I have a 15 yo dd and I couldn’t imagine being with a man like him. His rules are unpredictable and punishing. This type of parenting would destroy my dd. She is hurtling towards GCSEs in just over a month and needs as much love and care as she can get.

Your dd isn’t going to be a little girl much longer and you’re just starting to see glimpses of that. If you do continue to live with this man, you risk her seriously judging you and severing your relationship. She may feel you ruined her childhood.

Have you read AIBUs like this : AIBU to go NC with my mother, who put her cruel husband before me?

Leave. Go back to the uk. Your dd will adapt. Do not delay.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 28/03/2024 05:08

Is he bipolar like his mum, as it sounds like it as he goes into rages and ranting and then apologizes. I think you need to have a long hard think about the future for you and your daughter as this is no way to live. Try and put a little money aside if you can regularly and maybe think about returning home and even though it will be difficult just think this time next year you will be settled and so will your daughter and just take time out for the both of you to heal and stay single for a while. He sounds hard work and life is too short and would also be thinking of the damage this is doing to your mental health. Get out while you still have the strength and he does not break you.

SoCalLiving · 28/03/2024 05:32

OP I don’t want to make this about me but I feel soooo seen with your post I’m going to cry. The bit about worrying about your daughter thinking it’s normal for adults (and supposedly ones that their caregiver) to sulk and shut themselves away for whole evenings…I worry the same so much!!

Your fears re visas and staying because the situation is comfortable I relate to so much. I have been there! I love our life in the US but it can be so difficult when al that’s tethering you to the place isn’t so nice!

BonzoGates · 28/03/2024 05:33

I have parents like him. Walk away now. Otherwise your precious daughter will be further damaged by the situation and she'll end up having to walk away herself when she's an adult, like I did.

SoCalLiving · 28/03/2024 05:35

Through his visa do you have a path to permanent. residency? Or will your stay always be temporary? If the latter I don’t think you have anything to lose to putting plans in place to leave and return to the U.K.
I’m thinking of you OP! I relate to your circumstances and I hope you find happiness

Nicole1111 · 28/03/2024 06:51

This is what abuse looks like. How much of it rings true for you?

In despair at the state of my marriage and stuck abroad
Ihearyousingingdownthewire · 28/03/2024 07:28

At the risk of being harsh, you really need to pull yourself together and save your daughter from this awful man.

He’s verbally abusive, he’s foul to your poor, sweet daughter (building a few Lego sets doesn’t make him a good guy FFS), you felt so ‘weird’ leaving him in sole charge of your daughter that you flew your mum out, he’s sulky, he’s grumpy, and also he’s fat and doesn’t brush his teeth.

Just get back to the UK and start your life over without this substandard prick in it.

Ofcourseshecan · 28/03/2024 07:38

Gerwurtztraminer · 12/02/2024 16:49

If he did suddenly resign and leave, how long would you have on your spousal visa to pack and leave the country? Because that sounds very insecure. A friend was an expat in an Asian country and they - trailing spouse & 2 kids - had 4 weeks to leave when she was fired (no employment rights for expats). So you need to be prepared for that possibility.

So I'd be starting to quietly make plans to go if I was you. Be practical and rational here about moving back to UK - money, places to live, job, temporary housing whilst you settle in.

He's only going to get worse as she gets older and into tween & teen age and really gets 'difficult'. If you can't bring yourself to call him 'abusive', doesn't matter. It's still not a happy, healthy relationship or a happy, safe, relaxing home for your daughter.

If you can't be strong for yourself and start to wobble about staying with him, keep her wellbeing foremost in your mind. Finances and familiarity are NOT good enough reasons to stay with him. They are cop outs (sorry to be blunt, but I think you know that anyway). At 9 yes it's an upheaval to move countries but it will worse when even a little older. She'll settle in and make friends again wherever you end up, and she will always have you.

Edited

Good advice, OP. Make your escape plans secretly. It will be hard for you, as you sound honest and unwilling to hurt him. But you have to be tough in this case, for DD’s sake as well as your own.

She’s said she thinks sometimes our arguments are her fault.
Doesn’t that break your heart? They are his fault. Take her away, OP. You are a loving mother and you can give her the happy home you both deserve.

Loopytiles · 28/03/2024 07:42

Why have you put your DD into this situation for so long? A man you wouldn’t trust in sole charge of her for one week! Awful.

you don’t have a visa to stay so will have to return to the UK, get a job etc. Do it in time to get DD into a popular secondary school.

rainydaysaway · 28/03/2024 08:08

please leave OP. Have you got family you can stay with in the UK?

Imagine in 10 years time that you are still together. Your daughter’s had an awful relationship with him and leaves home, maybe marrying someone so she can stay in the US, then you are stuck with him because the only want you can stay close to her is via his spousal visa. This could be the rest of your life.

Please go home.

user8800 · 28/03/2024 08:25

Your poor daughter

RandomVillageLife · 28/03/2024 10:18

When you are saying you are working remotely, would you be able to carry on doing that in the U.K.?

RandomVillageLife · 28/03/2024 10:19

And what @Gerwurtztraminer said.

Shetlands · 28/03/2024 10:43

I expect it's school holidays now so you could come back to the UK for a visit and then never go back to the US. Of course it would be an upheaval but it would be in your daughter's best interest to be out of that flat and your toxic relationship. Please give her a chance to grow up in a healthier environment.

fedupwithbeingcold · 28/03/2024 10:53

Your poor daughter. Please take her out of there. My heart breaks for any child trapped in your situation