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Looks versus Personality

72 replies

Cityfreak · 02/12/2002 11:22

What do you think? I have always had partners whom I found very handsome and sexy to me, although I know they were human and not like models. I have also never had a boyfriend less than 6 feet tall (ie a few inches taller than me). Now, I never meet anyone who is handsome, apart from ones who are already married and therefore ineligible. I have never got involved with a really good friend (well, with one exception whom I had always fancied)whom I did not really fancy, because I thought that it would be like in Out of Africa or the English Patient, ie lonely woman marries man who is really just a good mate and then meets handsome hero and has torrid immoral affair which hurts everyone and someone probably dies as well. Now, I am starting to think, will I ever get a partner again, unless I just marry a man who is nice and I like him as a friend, but I don't really think he is handsome or sexy? I tell myself that being nice is more important than being handsome, but I am finding it really difficult to get over these stumbling blocks of height and looks. Also, I have had in previous years very happy sexual relationships with my partners, and conceiving ds was very sexy and happy. When you both want more children, how realistic is it to think you can have a longterm relationship with someone whom you don't really fancy? On the other hand, it is not fair to compare men in their 30s with previous boyfriends whom you knew 10 years ago, ie when they were in their 20s. I can accept that men in their 30s will not be as sexy as men in their 20s, and no doubt the same is true of me, and he will have to accept an older version of me, getting older all the time. So, the upshot is, what do you think about the comparative weight of looks and personality when falling in love?

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Lil · 03/12/2002 13:30

Prufrock I'm jealous now!

Cityfreak · 03/12/2002 13:38

CAM, I do agree with you that love is blind. But, the problem now is whether to accept that one is irrational because sexual attraction is not within one's mental control (apart from not having affairs, being promiscuous etc) or whether to try and protect oneself from getting hurt again, by trying to pick someone "better" this time round. The major difficulty/ impossibility is in trying to compare 2 different men (one of whom only exists in your historical memory) and to understand what "better" means. Another way of approaching this is, "Life's too short to dance with ugly men," ie however much you love someone and try hard and selflessly to make the relationship last, he may leave you, so why waste time having bad sex, you may as well have a broken relationship with a handsome man as an ugly man.

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Bugsy · 03/12/2002 13:38

Tricky one Cityfreak. I think there has to be an element of "phwaw" there otherwise you may find the physical side of your relationship a bit lacking. I am probably a very sad individual but I have always divided men into categories: those I could and those I couldn't. Some of my male friends I "could have" and therefore they always remained potential boyfriend material and some of my male friends I definitely 'couldn't' and therefore they always stayed in the realm of friend.
If anyone still understands me, I suppose what I am trying to say is that friends can become more and that it is a chemistry thing rather than a looks thing.

susanmt · 03/12/2002 15:38

I was friends with dh before we got together and I have to admit that it was only once I started considering him in that light (as a 'possible'!lol) that I realised just how gorgeous he is! I always would have said objectively that he was quite good looking but there was no 'phwoar' there to start with.
And although the intense excitement of the first few years has gone (most of the time) I still fancy him something rotten and get those little flutters on a regular basis! And, like slugs dh, he also has a truly fantastic arse, and it is often him walkinf away from me that gives me the flutter!! blush

Bobbins · 03/12/2002 15:40

I so LOVE that "flutter"

Rhubarb · 03/12/2002 16:10

Prufrock - no I didn't sleep with him until we were offically 'going out' for some time. I like to keep a man waiting - I'm sooooo worth it! We were friends for a long time, but that wasn't dating as I had lots of male friends at that time and still do. We were dating when I finally admitted that yes, I did fancy him now and would like to go on a proper date with him.

He can still make my heart melt even after 3 years of marriage! Like I said, I only ever see the attractive things about him now, so when he is being really nice to me, that is when he is most attractive! And when he makes a physical effort too of course! I also find other men quite attractive and am a bit of a flirt really, but I know I would rather snuggle up to my kind and generous man than go out with a gorgeous wife-beater, sexist or cheat.

star · 03/12/2002 16:31

Young men may have the looks,but personally they just don't do it for me.I don't have the time to be teaching them where my clitoris is.Give me an older man any day.There has to be some sort of spark there,it's just a look in the eye sometimes.I also think you know when you've met the one.I think you get more picky as you get older though.

Lil · 03/12/2002 16:49

LOL Star, 3 cheers for the older man!

aloha · 03/12/2002 16:58

I have an ex-colleague who can't find any man attractive unless he is supermodel material (seriously!). Obviously it helps that she is extremely pretty herself. If she looked like Olive from On The Buses it would be a different matter. However, she isn't happy in her relationship and her partner cheats on her, which she knows about. But she says she couldn't possibly go out with a man who doesn't have a perfect face and body. Her current partner and father of her child is a model but he's not a nice person. I find that desperately unsexy myself.

SimonHoward · 03/12/2002 20:12

Bugsy

I so understand you.

For so many years I had many female friends that I was definately on the 'Friend' list that it was depressing.

Rhubarb

What about a rich gorgeous wife-beater, sexist or cheat?

Aloha

Unfortunately my new job is taking up a lot of time (60 hours a week) so getting on the PC has taken 2nd place to sleep I'm afraid.

willow2 · 03/12/2002 22:14

Enid - but I don't want to xxxx a cat.

Bobbins · 03/12/2002 22:17

Even if it was a really BIG cat?

Tinker · 03/12/2002 22:18

Would anyone want to have that man in the sex addict programme tonight? Sorry, needs a thread of its own but had to talk about it!!!

WideWebWitch · 03/12/2002 22:19

Bobbins

anais · 03/12/2002 22:24

I don't think you can have a tick-chart when falling in love. Surely it's about chemistry? Speaking as a single woman who has never really been in love - well only once, and that was the unrequited (sp?) variety

I just feel I would never settle for anyone anywhere short of Mr Right - although maybe that's why I'm still single. The longer I've been on my own the higher my standards have got. I'd rather be single than settle for second best. Maybe I have an over-romantic and unrealistic view of love, but I would never be able to settle for a compromise.

susanmt · 03/12/2002 22:48

Anais, you are right, you shouldn't have to compromise! This sounds exceptionally smug coming from a happily married who met Mr Right at 19, but I think the principle holds, don't settle for anything less than the best!

anais · 03/12/2002 23:22

Well it's not just me then! I'm told I'm too idealistic, but I'd rather be single than stuck with someone who doesn't make the world spin. I'm happy as I am, and it makes me sad to think of someone who would rather risk spending their lives with someone who they don't love than be on their own.

Tortington · 03/12/2002 23:56

its definatley about a spark i think - the butterflies in your stomach the dying for the telephone to ring the sexual tension. the endless conversations the heartbreak when you argue. my nan always said to me that when you get to a point in a relationship when they do something to really annoy you and you just dont care you know somethings wrong. i took that as a license to argue and feel good about it!
so its not looks v's personality becuase both can change over years cant they? you fall for someone good looking they get old wrinkley couple of tyres around middle age - go for someone with personality who 13 years later prefers the computer or tv to chatting - right am off for an argument now

Ghosty · 04/12/2002 09:23

Love this thread ... have giggled my way all the way through!
For me it is like this ... I spent my formative years going out with gorgeous bs. I used to fall hook, line and sinker for the 'face' or the 'body' and end up being hurt.
When I met DH he was just a 'nice' guy ... not my type AT ALL ... not tall enough, not blond enough, not talkative enough etc etc ... but he was nice and I went for a few dates with him and just thought he was sweet. I wasn't that keen as I thought it had to be 'love at first sight' and it wasn't. Slowly but surely he whittled my defences down and 6 months down the line I found myself hopelessly in love with him and just couldn't imagine not being with him. There was no blinding flash or anything like that ... just a slow dawning that I couldn't live without him ...
That was when I went 'phwar'! And 8 years later I haven't looked back ...
When I was about 15 my mum said to me, 'Love is not going to bed with someone, it's getting up with them in the morning' ie ... the looks etc is one thing but still loving them for their morning 'smells', their farts, their bad morning breath, their toenails etc is another ... a warts and all type thing!
Cityfreak ... is there a 'friend' in your life at the moment that you are wondering about?

Bobbins · 04/12/2002 10:34

My fella told me the other night that this bloke said he looks like Thierry Henry...I hated to tell him he's more verging on a Ronaldo (without the goofiness).

I think he's gorgeous whatever. Looks are really quite important to me I'm afraid, I am a little shallow in that area. But I think its more the confidence that comes from being good looking that I'm attracted to, but not when its arrogance.

Ghosty · 04/12/2002 10:45

PSST ... Bobbins ... I may have missed something here ... have you got a new fella then or have you made up with DH? Sorry if I am being nosy but it is good to see you posting again and sounding happier!!!!

Bobbins · 04/12/2002 10:53

psst...Ghosty ...yep..for a month now..he's scrum diddly umptious, but much younger than me...and Portuguese....shhhh, some people would say rebound but I dinnae care

bells2 · 04/12/2002 10:59

My previous long-term boyfriend was the image of Arnold Schwarzenegger to the extent that people would regularly shout ?Arnie? at him in the street (look out for him Bloss, he lives in Sydney). My hubbie is a rather pale, toothless Englishman who thinks it funny that my biceps are bigger than his (and I don?t have any). I met him at work and when he first started to follow me around I thought it was all completely ridiculous and told him so in no uncertain terms. But through persistence and copious amounts of alcohol he won me over and I couldn?t be happier. His personality and humour and the fact that we have similar views on just about everything made him more attractive to me than looks ever could.

WideWebWitch · 04/12/2002 11:00

Bobbins, can vouch for younger men! (dp is 10 yrs younger than me) Enjoy

Bobbins · 04/12/2002 11:07

www...this one is almost 10 yrs younger too...oh dear. I would have previously definitely ruled it out. I've never really been out with anyone younger than me. In a lot of ways though, he's more mature than my ex, who decided he wanted to be a DJ two months after ds was born! May start an age difference thread soon, it does bother me quite a bit.