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Be there or leave him be even though I think I know his future?

63 replies

Tanaria · 03/02/2024 10:34

A young man I care about a lot, for many reasons. He is mid-20s now (I am late 30s, just for experience reference).

He used to be an elite athlete in his teens, but had to give that up eventually (when his performance did not measure up with others anymore) and get an everyday job, which he hates.

Has always been a bit of a loner (no real relationship yet, either), suicidal ideation, volunteers a bit around the career he no longer can have, but other than that has no social life to speak of. He often will just not respond to people's messages and decline days out, is depressed, but high-functioning. Sees his past self, where he was "on top" of everything, including being a high achiever in school, but now sees himself as a failure, which, together with his upbringing, explains why he often pushes people away, albeit politely. Wants to give up his current job, but has no future plans. Lives with his parents and hates socialising. Does show interest in exceptionally beautiful women and pushes away others who show an interest but aren't beautiful, so there is a shallow side to him.

Another man I know seems to show what this man's future could look like. Alone in a grotty bedsit, no friends, little contact with family, doesn't go out, has given up on his career because he has given in to his depression. Prefers to push friends away when he is in that state, just like the man above.

Both remind me of hedgehogs, curling up into a spiky ball when things overwhelm them in their lives. I am no longer in contact with the second man, however, I feel very protective over the former and a strong need to drag him out of his house kicking and screaming to show him what life can be like.

I know it's not my place to do so, but I care about him a lot. He knows I care about him and I make a continuous effort to keep in touch, but in a few months my opportunities to look after him will be greatly reduced for practical reasons. Then, it seems, he will have no one.

Should I leave him be and become the second man that I can easily see him turn into once he has pushed everyone away? Lonely and miserable, hating life and just waiting to die? Perhaps I'm wrong and he will snap out of it, but he said he's been like this his entire life. I'd have killed for someone to show me they care; I have been alone for other reasons, even if I wasn't always easy to love (platonically or otherwise). We have so much in common, too, mentally, that it feels wrong to just drop him. Seeing him like this makes me incredibly sad.

OP posts:
pikkumyy77 · 03/02/2024 14:13

Tanaria · 03/02/2024 14:07

I feel more motherly towards him than anything else.

I would also never tell him what I fear his future holds. That is not my place.

I don't push him to do stuff, but I do offer, in a "hey, do you want to come and do x together" way. Rarely, he accepts (but is always glad he did).

It's all more a question of whether I keep on trying to open communication, or wait for him to reach out, which he likely never will.

Stop. Just stop. He needs to hit rockbottom in order to appreciate the life he does have. Athletes age out, fail out, or otherwise have to leave their sport all the time. He can have a life but he is emotionally immature and self stunting his life. You can’t fix that. Only he can.

Wooloohooloo · 03/02/2024 14:48

Sorry if I've missed it but what's your connection to this man? Relative? Friend? Ex?

ShakiraShahkira · 03/02/2024 14:59

Most people have average boring lives, bad MH can affect even successful people. Loads of friends doesn't mean you aren't lonely or that they are all great friendships. Some people prefer to be alone. You can't see his future, people can have their lives turned upside down for better or worse any minute. He has his own parents to worry about him, focus on your own life. If and when he wants help there are professional people for that.

Watchkeys · 03/02/2024 15:03

I don't push him to do stuff, but I do offer

You said you try to drag him out. Now you are being challenged, you've pulled back. You're probably going to say I've misunderstood, to deflect the responsibility, like you did upthread. Offering is very different to dragging. Can you clarify which it is that you're doing?

rockpoolingtogether · 03/02/2024 15:23

What's your link to him? He has parents to care for him. Perhaps talk to them but try to distance yourself

Orio2023 · 03/02/2024 16:26

It's all more a question of whether I keep on trying to open communication, or wait for him to reach out, which he likely never will

You are being very very controlling and I would run a mile from you. Stop interfering in this young man’s life and imagining you know what his future holds. It’s ridiculous.I would actually tell you to fuck off with all this interfering.

You actually sound like you are bullying him. He doesn't have to socialise if he doesn’t want to. You don’t get to tell people what to do. Stop dressing your controlling and interfering as care and concern. A healthier person with better boundaries would not tolerate this from you at all and I think you know this.

Leave him alone. If he’s not contacting you it’s because he doesn’t want to.

TeaGinandFags · 03/02/2024 16:39

Leave him be.

You are not the doctor and he is not your patient. What on earth can you do that his parents haven't tried?

Shake off this fantasy that you and you alone can wave the magic want to mdke him different?

He's fully grown and is living the life he wants. If he wanted different he'd be living differently. Read Miniver Cheevy and walk away.

Mmhmmn · 03/02/2024 16:39

He's not your responsibility. Unless you gave birth to him and he's 5 years old. You'll only be able to really understand that in about 5/10 years from now but you will, and it will be crystal clear - you weren't put here to be his personal angel and you're highly likely to suffer if you try to be.

puddypud · 03/02/2024 17:35

There's something really odd about the way talk about him. You're infantilising him. He's not even that much younger than you that you need to be a motherly figure to him.

EmmaEmerald · 03/02/2024 19:05

OP from your description of how you won't be able to help in future, I'm guessing you're either moving away or having a baby.

If not those things, it's sounds like there's a major change going on and maybe it's making you more emotional about this, major changes in life do that to me.

But the reality is, you can't help someone who doesn't want it and maybe isn't ready for it. He might turn a corner any time and things improve! I hope so.

WellThatEsculatedQuickly · 04/02/2024 03:27

My guess is that he is your younger brother. He was born when you were late teens, your parents weren't that interested and you took on a motherly role in his life? You yourself grew up thinking that your value is in looking after people. You are codependent?

The way you are treating him, as a helpless, inadequate, incompetent being is only going to decrease his self esteem and sense of agency.stop doing this to him!! Or maybe you don't want to stop doing this to him....because treating him like this makes you feel responsible, grown up, important, special?

Why can't you just accept him for who he is? Why do you need to change him? Why is your way better than his? How do you know that people who live in bedsits/studio flats are lonely or failures? Maybe they have things in life that you don't have z and could never understand? And if he does do all the things you say and follow all of your advice, will you bask in the warm glow of self righteousness? Is that what you are really trying to achieve? Do you see yourself as a martyr??

PieAndLattes · 04/02/2024 03:43

Duckingella · 03/02/2024 11:21

Women are not rehab centres for lost men.

You're ND you need to be looking after yourself.

Walk away.

This👆Unless you are his therapist it is not your job to engage in his life to this extent. He needs to develop his own solutions and no amount of you carrying him is going to help that. If anything, it sounds like he doesn’t really want you around anyway. It sounds like you have a bit of a saviour complex, but think - what would happen if you stopped alll this running round after him? Would he contact you?

RantyAnty · 04/02/2024 03:51

You haven't said what your relationship is to him or how you know him.

I think you're a bit too enmeshed and it's not healthy.

Do you not have a family, job, etc. to focus on?

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