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MIL has alzheimers - husband now prioritising nothing else

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readingbored · 29/01/2024 10:54

Need advice on how to ensure DH balances responsibilities. My MIL has just been diagnosed with Alzheimers. She is still OK, driving and living in her own house etc. just her short term memory is going slowly downhill, so it is early days with the disease.

My husband has always been very protective of her. my FIL died in 2014 and since then my DH will always go straight around her house 5 minutes away if she needs something sorting out. It's usually computer or admin related but other requests too. He has a sister but she lives 3 hours away and less capable of helping. I've have always had an issue with this because he will always prioritise his mum's needs above all else. If she calls he goes. If I ask for help, I'm told he'll "add it to the list" or get around to it at some point, or sometimes just told off for nagging. Things wait for months if ever to get done here, which I know if they were MIL asking would be done immediately. He doesn't really work as a team.

If she has a medical appointment he takes her no issue, taking time off work. When I'm ill I get no support. He never came to growth scans both times I was pregnant (just the regular 12 and 20 week scans), hasn't taken me to doctors when I was really unwell, just expecting me to do it all by myself saying he can't take time out. I was very faint at work a month ago. A colleague took me home. He reluctantly came home to WFH as I was unwell, but refused to take me to the doctors appointment, so I drove myself feeling faint and anxious I had a blood clot (as have a condition). I assumed he had no time, but when I got back he went for a 1/2 hour walk outside by himself. Anther time I had a UTI, he refused to go to the doctors to fetch my meds for me.

I have so many examples of when he has prioritised his mum or deprioritised me, I could write a book.

He is now busily sorting her financial affairs to try and get things in order. The house also has hoarded things over 40 years, and needs work to get in order in anticipation that in future she will no longer be able to be there.

At home we have two children under 10 and I work 4 days a week as a solicitor. I work from home mostly. He works in the office mostly. That in itself leads to me dealing with more childcare for which I am also resentful. He is about to start a new role at his company that will mean 5 days in the office, and longer hours too.

I am very concerned that things are only going to get worse as my MIL gets worse, with me holding the fort here, while he deals with his mum and his work. There are various things I want to do with the house to update it this year. We also need to choose a secondary school for our eldest. He won't engage in any discussions about these things, saying he has no time. But equally won't let me just go ahead and sort them without his input. I'm scared we are going to end up putting our lives on hold for years while he just focuses on his mum. This fear may sound irrational, but really has built up over the course of our 12 year marriage where I have felt he has repeatedly prioritised his mother.

I have raised the issue with him, but he says it's either not true and makes it look like I am being really unreasonable, or is just very defensive about his mum and the fact she is a widow. Sometimes he will turn the conversation around and make me into the bad person for even raising the topic.

I totally have sympathy for my MIL's situation (though annoyed all her affairs are disorganised, so we are now ending up having to sort them for her), and am doing what I can to help too, but I feel like he isn't listening when I am trying to explain what I am worried about, and how this is making me feel. This is causing a distance between us, and damaging our relationship.

Basically, when I have said how frustrating it is that he is spending every free minute at the moment working on his mum's stuff, and that he's having to do that because she hasn't really got on top of it all when she was totally capable of doing so, he literally said I have to just "suck it up". There's no empathy with my point of view at all.

It feels to me that my husband is now doing too much for her already, where she actually is still capable of many things; he's already being over protective. She is happy with this, as she hates dealing with the admin and loves having her son over at her house, so no push back from her or offer to help.

My DH as a personality is very "duty" driven. or at least duty to parents, children, employer, not so much to his wife. He's the kind of person who will take on the role of carer in the extreme and not accept external help. He will make himself unwell in the doing so, but believes it's his duty nonetheless. I have suggested getting a de-clutterer company to come in to help in the house, but he won't do that, I've recommended getting the solicitors to sort the paperwork, but he would rather use up his precious time doing it all himself to save a few pounds, where we could afford to get external help.

I'm not looking for recommendations to leave my husband, though of course it could come to that in future. I'm looking for advice from those in a similar situation who found a way through to ensure family life was balanced well with caring responsibilities, and how to communicate with a uncommunicative and unempathetic spouse to ensure your feelings are taken into account in this kind of sensitive situation.

I've just been told I've got to help his mother more and will have to in future. He hasn't spoken to me about whether I'm Ok with this, what he means by this. Just expects me to acquiesce. What is really needed is a sit down conversation about what people's expectations are in all this. A non-starter for me would be moving his mother in with us, for example. Likewise if he semi moved in there rather than getting outside carer help, that also would not be OK. As it's early days in the diagnosis, I don't know when it's appropriate to have this kind of conversation. I suspect he will put off discussing things until nearer to them happening, as then he doesn't have to accept yet too much that his mum will change).

This may all sound like I am being selfish, and perhaps I am, but mainly I'm trying to be protective of our family and relationship and it doesn't continue to suffer detrimentally due to the situation which we now all find ourselves in. We are already overstretched with our own work and family without adding caring responsibilities. I am also suffering perimenopause symptoms regularly and not feeling as able to cope as I used to. I don't feel like he's fighting for ensuring our relationship and family are impacted as little as possible. I need to set boundaries and expectations now, otherwise I know it will just get worse and worse, and I will be ignored, side-lined and my needs and feelings not taken into account.

OP posts:
JeMangeUnCroissant · 29/01/2024 13:16

You're a solicitor you say...? 👍

It sounds like a really hard situation with his mum op, one which many families will understand and grapple with. However, that is separate to the lack of care he shows to you. I'd have driven you to the doctors or picked up a prescription if you were a neighbour I barely knew, you should be able to expect the same of your actual husband!

Burntouted · 29/01/2024 13:26

Op, your entire marriage (perhaps entire relationship) has had serious issues prior to this.

You've stayed with a long time with a man that doesn't seem to care much for you, nor the children(tbh having them and bringing them into that situation a terrible idea). He doesn't prioritize you nor the kids..much...

Things have already been bad prior to this, things are only going to get worse.
He doesn't care. He isn't going to change (unless he wants to). You already know your options....

Continue to tolerate it, or leave.

Snowdogsmitten · 29/01/2024 13:32

All through your post he was sounding worse and worse, and then I read this:

I've just been told I've got to help his mother more and will have to in future. He hasn't spoken to me about whether I'm Ok with this, what he means by this. Just expects me to acquiesce

He is an appalling husband.

Blahblah34 · 29/01/2024 13:35

It’s not really about his Mum though is it? Focussing on that might not be helpful. The issue is his lack of care for you, and his attitude to your marriage. That’s not his mother’s fault.

Aptique · 29/01/2024 13:38

Pumpkinpie1 · 29/01/2024 12:12

I’m disgusted that he did that to you when you needed him. He needs a reality check and soon

I couldn't agree more. This alone is a good reason to leave him. This isn't to do with his mother but how he treats you!

Aptique · 29/01/2024 13:38

Aquamarine1029 · 29/01/2024 12:40

I really don't know what to say, because for some unfathomable reason, you are actually choosing to stay with this man. He is not "just" selfish and dismissive of your needs and feelings, he is abusive. Refusing to help your spouse when they are in need to serious medical issues is abuse, plain and simple. What an absolutely dreadful example that's being set for your children. Don't think that your kids don't notice how dismissive and uncaring he is towards you, and how unhappy you are, because they are well aware. You are normalising this dysfunction for them.

All you are doing now is wasting precious years postponing the inevitable. Nothing will ever change in regards to your husband's behaviour. As soon as his mother is dead he will just focus his attention and selfishness to something else, and it will not be you. You are just his PA, child minder and skivvy who keeps absolutely everything ticking along.

Fuck that, fuck him, you deserve better. I'd be out of there like a shot. You don't need him.

Exactly! Why do you want to be with someone who treats you like some random from the street?

Justaboutalive · 29/01/2024 13:41

Ok some strategies for managing DH. You shouldn’t need to but …

  1. subject to lack of funds, care should be put in place asap. There will be a point where getting a cleaner/gardener/odd job person is hard for a person with Alzheimer’s to accept. If they are in place, independence can go on longer.
  2. in the future, there will be more help needed than any one person can do. Set things up now for the future.
  3. your MIL is now the best she will ever be. Alzheimer’s is a progressive downward decline.

say to DH that you have researched Alzheimer’s and it is his duty to put things in place now, that it is cruel not to (read the elderly parents and dementia sections here for research. It’s eye opening.)Tell him he needs to build in huge amounts of contingency time now, for when there are real emergencies. You (he) need to start outsourcing as much as possible.

A person with Alzheimer’s is often failed, as care is only put in place when it becomes critical, not when it could be planned and done in a way to lesson the impact on the person.

if you frame things as your MIL’s needs, that you DH has a duty to get right, do you think it might help.

wronginalltherightways · 29/01/2024 13:46

You've come last for a long time before this diagnosis. And now it's going to be more of the same, probably for years and years.

I couldn't live like that. I'd suggest he move back in with his mum since he's made it clear she's always been the priority over you and his own children, and you're done doing everything while he plays the dutiful son to the hilt. He can go and do it there.

MorningSunshineSparkles · 29/01/2024 13:53

He has no love nor respect for you, why are you with him?

ACatNamedVirtue · 29/01/2024 13:57

I'm afraid no advice that people give will work.

You are stating from such a low bar that even when you were very unwell or when it was about your unborn child your DH wouldn't prioritise you.

Even when his DM was well, he would prioritise her and himself every time over you and your DC. This will only get worse and is likely to go on this way for years.

The longer this goes on the more you will appear unreasonable and unsupportive for not going along with him. You've been given a view into the 10yrs of your life. Not only will you have no support from him but he'll draw you in to be a carer.

Quite why you would stay with someone who abandons you when you're at your most vulnerable and unwell is somewhat of a mystery to me already.

You appear to get nothing from this relationship, and you're about to get even less. I gently suggest you get yourself organised now.

Bluetrews25 · 29/01/2024 14:02

Sounds like there have been 3 people in this marriage for a very long time.

She's only just been diagnosed and is still able to drive? (As a side note, I thought you had to notify DVLA about this?) So maybe she's not that bad and could have quite a long time (of deterioration) left.

It's great that he cares for her.
It's not great that he sacrifices what he should be doing for you and his DCs, though.

Can you put up with it?

Let him know that there are professional carers available and you will not be helping her get washed and dressed. Tell him you'd prefer to remain her DIL rather than be her carer.

If necessary, as a PP said, send him to live with her.

As for the decisions, he either needs to discuss or keep out of it and let you do it. Not insist everything waits for him.

londonmummy1966 · 29/01/2024 14:04

@Justaboutalive is giving you excellent advice - framing it as MILs needs rather than your own is probably the key in the short term (even though it shouldn't be).

It is partly vanity I'm afraid - when DC were small and DH was working away he'd spend a lot of time doing community stuff when he was here - as he seemed to get off on the validation he got from others. I suspect that your DH is partly looking for the pats on the back about what an excellent son he is etc/praise from his mummy. In our circumstances I was eventually able to bring things back but it took a blazing row where I pointed out that if we'd been on the Titanic DC and I would have drowned as he'd have been busy running round saving everyone else and also that if he wanted to abdicate from the domestic drudgery he needed to start earning like the chairman of ICI so that he could afford to pay someone else to do it as I now wanted to ditch my share too. Might be worth a try especially as in your circumstances there might well be budget from attendance allowance etc to pay for support for your MIL.

At the moment I suspect you are often fairly supportive so its easier for him to jump for his mother - maybe you need to start making it a bit less comfortable - I don't usually go for tit for tat but you could for example try not doing his laundry and then when he asks where his clean clothes are tell him you didn't have time to do his washing because xyz other jobs had to be done by you as he wasn't there.......

I also took DHs agency away over certain decisions. So I just started booking the decorators and getting them paint and made it very clear that as he didn't have time for the daily grind he most certainly didn't have time for the "fun stuff". A bit easier obvs when he was away a lot. So you could just book the decorators and tell him that he clearly had so much on his mind you didn't want to bother him further. With something like schools perhaps just email him a note with your thoughts and say that unless he sits down by x date to discuss you will register him at whichever school it is that you prefer.

ThriceThriceThice · 29/01/2024 14:07

Gosh - this is depressing OP. Genuinely - how could it be worse if you left him? I feel sad and unloved even reading about your relationship.

Is it a cultural thing where divorce would bring too much shame or are you worried about finances?

If you stay with him for whatever reason, I think you need to lower your expectations - he does not seem to care about you at all. Focus on developing independence, your kids, your career and your own family/friends, make your own decisions - he cannot tell you any more clearly that you and your happiness are not important to him.

Pipplet · 29/01/2024 14:36

I agree with pp, the state of your marriage is not really about MIL is it. Imagine (God forbid) she took a heart attack tomorrow and died, and coincidentally her house burnt down so there was nothing to sort through. Your DH grieves and you support his grief. Once his grief has reached a point where he can function again, what will your marriage look like? What do you think the problems would be? If you can identify these, I'd ask him for counselling to tackle them, leaving MIL out of it. If you can improve your marriage to the point where you are a team and mutually supportive, then any difficulties that come your way re MIL will be easier to tackle together.
If he won't agree to counselling within a timeframe, I'd tell him what the consequences will be. If your marriage is doomed, leave BEFORE you spend a decade caring for his mother. If he says he has no time for counselling, offer to take on one of his chores for one hour a week to enable it (you shouldn't have to do this but if you want to give your marriage the best chance then take all his excuses away).

DropDeadFreida · 29/01/2024 14:46

If this was a case of an otherwise kind and caring partner struggling to prioritise then I would suggest various practical solutions etc., but that's not the case here. From your post it sounds like your DH has absolutely no regard for you as a human being never mind as a wife and partner. I couldn't be with someone who treated me with such disdain, especially when he is clearly capable of showing kindness and consideration to others.

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 29/01/2024 14:47

See if you can squeeze in a regular counselling session for yourself. It will give you an opportunity to be heard, for your feelings to be aired and examined. It will give you a supportive space to talk about how your life affects you and how you would like to go forward.

MissHarrietBede · 29/01/2024 14:51

You and the DC are merely backdrops to your husband's main life with his mother.

He sees you all as irrelevant. Oh except, of course, when he needs you, soon, to take on some of his mother's care.

tokesqueen · 29/01/2024 14:56

I'd be making plans to go. The future looks horrendous. You do not have to help with his mother at his say so.
And remind him that if he persists in this train of thought and his prioritisation of her, then he'll be the one juggling, not only the care of his mother but also sole care of his DC 24/7 half of every week as you'll have made your escape.

urrrgh46 · 29/01/2024 15:05

I'm seconding all PPs who've said you need to make plans and be prepared to leave unless he has a serious change of attitude and behaviour towards you. You could offer counselling or not - the choice is yours but HE WILL NOT CHANGE unless he wants to and he needs to know that not changing means not having you as his wife and seeing his children every day. Please do not put up with this any longer!

WineMakesTheWorldGoAround · 29/01/2024 15:27

Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong thing here but for things like decorating the house, why can't you just get it done? Does he control the funds?
Stuff like the kids schools, I think I just filled out the selection forms and sent them off, I don't believe they needed my husbands input, that's something else you can do and tick off your list.
Your husband sounds like he has a very grandiose sense of self but you sound incredibly passive about things.
You don't have to wait for his permission to do things in life.

JustHereForTheLaughs · 29/01/2024 15:27

What @Justaboutalive said.

But also what @londonmummy1966 said too for your home day to day life.

If he doesn’t want to be involved, do stuff in the house, review secondary schools. Do it yourself. Bring someone in etc…. Yes it’s likely that he won’t be happy but in the other side, you do need those things done and it’s not ok for him to hold you to ransom.

For the rest… the reality is that he is the only who can decide to change.
You can’t make him and it doesn’t look like talking him will help. ‘Forcing his hand’ (by stopping to do what he wants you to do or sorting stuff out your way) might be a trigger for him to wake him. Or it might not. In which case, as others have said, you need to start protecting yourself.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/01/2024 15:27

I've already given my advice, but I have to clarify, your marital issues are not due to his mother's recent diagnosis. He has always been like this, he will always be like this.

JustHereForTheLaughs · 29/01/2024 15:32

@WineMakesTheWorldGoAround i think that the OP wants and expects, just like I did, to work as a team. To have her dh involved into that sort of stuff because that’s what happens in a couple.

Plus he doesn’t want her to do it in her own. He wants to be involved. And probably would have a big issue if word was coming out he wasn’t there for his dcs or to do the DIY. That would tarnish his image of nice dutiful guy

I agree that it’s a way to sort some of the problems out. But it will not happen wo a fuss.
And it will add to the OP’s workload when she is already resentful of his lack of input. With good reasons.

Popquizzer · 29/01/2024 15:46

He reluctantly came home to WFH as I was unwell, but refused to take me to the doctors appointment, so I drove myself feeling faint and anxious I had a blood clot (as have a condition). I assumed he had no time, but when I got back he went for a 1/2 hour walk outside by himself.

The issue isn't your MIL at all. You know your husband doesn't feel for you the way a spouse is supposed to. The extra work he's prepared to do for his mother just highlights the contrast with how he sees you. Someone who's useful when being 'obedient' but just a nuisance when sick or trying to discuss the relationship. I know because I've been there. He probably spends a lot of time trying to appear like an admirable fellow to total strangers.

You could kill yourself trying to be a martyr helping his mother and not complaining when he does nothing at home but it won't change how he feels about you. You need to have a serious think about how he simply didn't care when you were ill and needed help.

NoOrdinaryMorning · 29/01/2024 15:53

He's married to his mum now unfortunately. He will be, until the day she passes. Even if she very sadly has no choice but to go into a home.
When she does inevitably pass away (whenever that may be), he will likely lash out at you as you're the closest to him and he'll see you as the one who 'resented' (in his eyes) him spending time with his mum, so you'll be enemy number one.