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My mother just broke the last straw

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LovelyBranches · 23/01/2024 11:36

On Friday, my baby was born sleeping at 18 weeks. This is a really difficult time for me and I almost feel guilty about even thinking about my mother at this time but I feel like she did something which has been the last straw.

My mother has always been quite a difficult woman, she’s argumentative, has a very quick temper, is obsessed with cleaning and although she has been very generous with me and I know she does love me, she tries to buy love. She is drawn like a moth to a flame to a crisis and she likes to feel needed.

When I was a child she used to hit me a lot, although she’s never hit my children.When I was 23 we lost my father (her husband) and she told everyone that I ‘stole’ her grief and I wouldn’t let her grieve when I remember it as the absolute opposite.

I moved out of the house at the same age because my mother bit me, and told everyone I had hit her and broke her glasses. What had really happened was, she had tried to hit me but I held her arms and wouldn’t let her so she bit my arm until I ended up having to push her by her face, off my arm. I was then homeless for a few weeks so my boyfriend (now DH) said we should find a flat to live in together.

Going through the loss of my baby, I realised that I have tried to keep things a secret from her, the baby has had lots of extra tests and has a genetic issue, so my other children have also gone through tests. I’ve tried to say the bare minimum to my mother because she’s very judgey.

Then when we realised that there was no hope for the baby, I have always tried to hide my devastation from her, I won’t cry in front of my mother.

Last week I had a vulnerable moment, she visited me and I told her that there was a Robin who was constantly on my garden fence and it gave me comfort because it made me feel like my father was around me and the baby.

Last Thursday I went into hospital to be induced, before then I had told her that I didn’t want her to clean my house and she was kind enough to look after my children. However on Thursday morning she screamed at me that I was being controlling and she wasn’t going to look after my children. So I said I would ask my MIL, she phoned me incessantly until I gave in and said she could look after my DC.

I have a long history with her cleaning, she accuses me of being dirty, and ‘not up to her standards’. I am always cleaning and even hired cleaners because I got paranoid, and then she found out about them and used to come to my house when they were here and hide my Hoover so they couldn’t use it, and then follow them around telling them the spots they missed. My cleaners ended up quiting. When I go on holiday, my mother usually spends around 4 days in my house cleaning, which sounds amazing but she snoops through everything, moves all my things, and my house always smells of her, and not my family. I have begged her not to do this, but she never ever listens.

Anyway, back to last Friday. I had been in labour for nearly 24 hours at this point. The baby was nearly delivered but my contractions stopped. I don’t know why I did it, but I phoned my mother to say that baby was nearly here. I was hoping for encouragement and nice words of comfort but instead she asked me if she could clean (so waited until I was in a very vulnerable position to ask), then said how she was bored and not able to sit still. Then when I realised I wasn’t going to get any words of comfort I said I was going to go. At this point she said ‘hold on, hold on, I have to tell you something’, and then proceeded to tell me that my neighbours cat had killed the Robin that had been in my garden, and how distraught she was.

I then hung up and cried to my DH, who had the job of trying to comfort me.

I then was able to deliver my sleeping baby, and despite everything I feel like I had a beautiful birth with her. She was so peaceful.

Now my mother is waiting to diagnose me with depression so I am scared to cry in front of her, or speak to her about anything to do with my baby daughter. I am grieving hard for my baby, but I also have realised that I don’t think I can forgive my mother either.

Sorry that my story is long and a bit all over the place.

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 23/01/2024 12:30

I am sorry, I don't often say things like this but - your mother is a first class bitch !

She was not distraught over the robin, and she did not have to tell you about it then.

Remove the keys from her, and indeed get your husband to ask for them but in addition change the locks.

If you decide to keep in touch with her, and I guess it would be out of duty not love then if you ever allow her to see your children / babysit your children then it is at her house - she can clean all day then if she wants.

Whether or not she has any mental health or behaviour issues or issues with boundaries, she is not enhancing your life in any way at all.

Block her, do not visit her or let her visit you - until and IF you are ready.

You need time to yourself, for yourself ( and your DH and children ) and you take as long as you need.

If you choose to speak to her again in the future that is your choice.

Be kind to yourself, you have just gone through a tragic and traumatic loss and it is not something you will recover from easily nor quickly.

RandomMess · 23/01/2024 12:32

I am so sorry for your loss.

Your mother is awful, truly awful. Please do not let her around your DC your home or yourself again. She is bad news for your DC as she has zero boundaries.

TheseLegsDefinitelyUsedToBeLonger · 23/01/2024 12:34

@LovelyBranches the thing about the robin... she was probably lying, I very much doubt the cat chose to kill it at that moment... I suspect she just knew that saying that at that time would cause you the most upset, purely because of what you'd said previously. I second what an earlier poster said about the FOG - fear obligation and guilt. I had this with a family member. I went NC. I don't regret it. My life is calmer because of it. You can't reason with people like this.

So sorry for your loss 💐

Fink · 23/01/2024 12:34

Condolences on your loss. I hope you and DH are able to comfort one another and grieve as you need.

I echo other posters:

  1. change the locks on your house and don't give your mother a spare key.
  2. send her a message to say that she should contact DH if she needs to communicate anything, but that you will be taking a break.
  3. block her number and don't engage in any communication until you feel ready. You might want to go NC permanently, you might not, but for your own health and wellbeing you need to go NC in the short term at least.
  4. don't be afraid to seek help and support from other people since you can't get it from your mother. As well as your DH, it could be friends or other family (depending on the relationship), and/or professional help. With anything you need - emotional support, practical help, whatever.

Take care and look after yourself. Flowers

Andthereyougo · 23/01/2024 12:35

I am so sorry for your loss of your baby girl.

You’re never going to get support from your mother, she sounds totally self absorbed and very cruel. I think for your own sanity you have to go very, very low contact with her. ( I’d go no contact but I’m not you) Meet her on neutral ground, a cafe, play area, park when the weather improves, once a month. Don’t ask her to babysit, tell her the minimum that’s going on with your life.
If she has a key to your house have the locks changed but say nothing to her.

I’m really sorry but I think she’s a very damaging person.

Andthereyougo · 23/01/2024 12:39

I’ll just add the link for Sands in case you want someone to talk to.
https://www.sands.org.uk/

Look after yourself, you’ve been through such a difficult time. 💐

Sands | Saving babies' lives. Supporting bereaved families.

Sands works to support anyone affected by the death of a baby; improve the care bereaved parents receive; and create a world where fewer babies die.

https://www.sands.org.uk/

couiza · 23/01/2024 12:50

OP I'm so sorry about your loss. Having to grieve and deal with a very difficult and often cruel mother is very tough.

You have written your post so eloquently, I can hear the numbness and bafflement. I don't think you realise how cruel and abusive your mother actually is since you have had it all your life.

Anyway, can I suggest that you check out the Stately Homes threads. I'm not sure how to link, but someone may help with that.

It is a thread about abusive and narcissistic parents, mostly mothers actually. It might help you to know that you are not alone, and those folk have some good strategies for dealing with the issue, the main one being to break contact completely. I don't think there is any other effective way for you to process this and live your life in peace.

I wish you well.

Epidote · 23/01/2024 13:02

I'm sorry for your loss and with all my respect cut your mother off your life. She is not a good person and only cause you stress, struggles and who knows what shit more on your life.

You have too much to life and although it is a sad moment you will make it and recover. Your life will be easier without her. You seem to be a really nice person don't let her manipulate you any longer.

mrssunshinexxx · 23/01/2024 13:09

You need to end this relationship

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 23/01/2024 13:09

I'm so sorry for the loss of your baby daughter. Definitely have your mother return your house keys even if you decide to still see her in the future. 💐

LadyEloise1 · 23/01/2024 13:13

MILTOBE · 23/01/2024 12:12

I am so sorry you lost your baby.

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I don't think you should deal with your mum right now. I think your husband needs to take over and either speak to her or write to her and tell that she must not contact you unless or until you say so.

She sounds very cruel and I'm so sorry you've had to deal with her as well as the loss of your baby.

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You poor darling, I'm so sorry for your loss.
Change your locks too, so she can't arrive uninvited and no doubt she will try. She needs the attention.

ThisHumanBean · 23/01/2024 13:14

I am so so sorry for the loss of your baby. It is so unfair.

Now is about you and your baby and your DH and other DC.

Please do as others have suggested and block your DM, let your DH or another trusted and loyal friend/family member communicate with her if absolutely necessary.

Do not listen to any noise about her and ask other family members not to talk about her or relate to you stories/things she has said. The less you know the easier it is.

Make a haven for your family and be good to yourselves.

Im not going to say what i think of your DM as you know this already and she deserves no airtime.

mindutopia · 23/01/2024 13:26

I'm so sorry about the loss of your baby girl. What your mother did was cruel and intentional.

I am NC with my own mother now, but when she was still in my life, I realised that she was also a 'helper'. She tried to insert herself into situations so she could do things. Would often try to 'rescue' people. But it was about her and creating ammunition that she could bank against people for the future. She would offer to buy her friend, for example, a plane ticket so she could visit her family because friend was struggling financially, but then she would turn around and complain about how the friend would visit family, but didn't have enough money to travel to my wedding. It was like offering people a gift and then finding a way to twist how accepting the gift made them a bad person. She offered to pay for a couple months of nursery when our eldest was young as a Christmas gift just to help us out as dh and I both still early in our careers then and not earning loads. Then went around telling everyone how irresponsible we were having a child we couldn't afford (we never asked her for help with nursery costs and were affording them just fine before and since). The helping was about her, never about anyone else. Once I saw that, it was easy to put a stop to it.

What I realised eventually though that the way I was engaging with her was like a form of self-harm. I'd gotten so used to the mean things she did that if she hadn't done one in awhile, I almost went looking for them. The little cuts were such a normal part of my life that it became just instinct to go fishing for them. I realised that by going back looking for more, continuing to open the door, I was putting myself in a situation where I knew I'd be harmed. Being able to close the door and go no contact was a breath of fresh air. I stopping fishing for the pain. I didn't engage. I didn't message her if I hadn't heard anything in awhile. In your case, I'd stop having her in your house. Take away her key. Move if you need to. Stop speaking to her. Stop speaking to her flying monkeys. Create your safe little bubble for your family and keep them safe from the drama.

Allthingsdecember · 23/01/2024 13:36

I am so sorry for your loss Flowers

Your mother sounds truly awful. Please don’t feel any guilt if you choose not to allow her in your life going forward.

givemeevenmorestrength · 23/01/2024 13:40

Lots of love to you ❤️.
I would get DH to speak to her and tell her you want to be left to grieve and ask her to make no contact for the time being.
I wouldn't make rash long term decisions about your relationship with her until you feel in a better place. For now though, there's no place for her.
As for the Robin story, I don't believe that and just you wait..... I think it will return just when you need it to. X

SleepingStandingUp · 23/01/2024 13:47

Imao sorry op.

Next call or text get DH to answer or reply and say that you guys are having some time out to heal as a family, as others have suggested.

And get the locks changed. Urgently.

Turfwars · 23/01/2024 15:35

I'm so sorry for your loss OP. I've not gone through anything as traumatising as you losing your beautiful little girl, but I've had a series of miscarriages and not only did I get an utter lack of support from her but she even made jokes about the fact I kept losing babies, and any conversation about baby loss was all about her and her miscarriages, almost 50 years ago. So yeah, she joked about my misery but I was expected to sit and extend sympathy to her yet again for stories I've heard several times a year since early childhood.

@mindutopia it's like you're describing my mother -it's sadly uncanny to realise that many of us have mothers who weaponise their 'help' like this.
My house isn't a show home but even if it was a show home she would be critical. I'm expected to drop everything to do her life admin but it's never up to her unattainable standards. Then that non stop critical drip is offset by gifts that were never wanted, expected or even things I might like... it's like she knows she's a shit mother and thinks that buying crap I don't need or want cancels out her poor behaviour. It drives her crazy that I'm fiercely independent and won't let her pay for anything for me - because I know that if she did, she would eke years out of praising herself for gifting me that thing and simultaneously subtly implying that she wouldn't have had to surprise me with that gift if I had my shit together.

I also dropped the rope with DM in the last few years. It was a long time coming and I keep contact at a low level that suits me. She's not going to change so I have to change how I stop expecting her to not hurt me. So I give her nothing. I don't discuss our finances. She doesn't come to my house - we meet at a halfway point for lunch these days and it works perfectly. I don't tell her my marital or medical information. I treat it like the small talk you'd have with a neighbour. The peace in my head is really lovely!

You need space from your DM, @LovelyBranches - give yourself that and don't feel one bit guilty if she kicks off just block her until you are ready and ask others to run interference for you. Flowers

therealcookiemonster · 23/01/2024 15:53

OP I am so sorry for your loss.

i am also sorry that you have been so awfully treated by your mother

in your place, I would go no contact

at least for now, you need to block her and have some space to give yourself time to heal. accept comfort and help from other people around you instead. your mum is toxic to say the least

fuckmyuteruslining · 23/01/2024 19:51

Your mother is abusive. She has destroyed your relationship. That's on her not you.

How would you feel if somebody said you never have to see her again? No more guilting, no more cleaning, no more criticism? You can have that. Talk to your husband about this and consider going non contact. Change locks, report her for harassment to the police if needed, tell your kids schools she can't have contact. You can be free.

I'm so sorry about your baby, it sounds like you're actually coping incredibly well. She was lucky to have you for her mum for the little time you had her for.

Duckingella · 23/01/2024 20:00

I'm so sorry for your loss;please don't be afraid to reach out to organisations like SANDS to get support during this difficult time.

As for your mother;please consider for the sake of your own wellbeing going no contact with her;she is abusive and always has been to you and now as an adult you have the opportunity to free yourself of her.

The stately homes threads on here might be of comfort to you and offer validation and support.

Sending you positive healing vibes.

Hmmmmaybe · 23/01/2024 20:06

Get your mother totally out of your life and get a good trauma therapist

Justkeepingplatesspinning · 23/01/2024 20:12

I'm so sorry about your baby. That's truly awful.
Your mother's behaviour is appalling. This is primarily about you and your grief. Not hers.
She needs to let you grieve your baby. Quite honestly, if you are depressed just now it's no wonder.

Zanatdy · 23/01/2024 20:13

I’m so sorry for the loss of your beautiful daughter. Your mother sounds like she’s just too much to bear right now and I’d go low contact as she sounds like she’s just adding stress and upset. Be gentle with yourself

Apolloneuro · 23/01/2024 20:27

Oh my darling girl. My heart goes out to you. Please snuggle down into your little family.

Your mother (I use that term loosely) sounds absolutely toxic. I’d seriously consider going very very low contact with her.

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