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Think we've had our dirty cup moment

68 replies

Dirtycupmoment · 12/01/2024 10:08

Hello!
Just in here to work through some feelings really.
As my title suggests, I think my husband and I have had our dirty cup moment. You know, the article where the guy says his wife divorced him because he routinely leaves cups by the sink.
Irritatingly it was dirty pots that pushed me over that tipped me over the 'this is salvageable' to 'I don't care if it is anymore'. I wanted it to be something a bit more interesting, but it really is the small things that have the biggest impact.

We've been together 19 years. But these last few months have just been pretty depressing. There's a lot to unpack, so I'll start with this last week.

It was my birthday. Over many years, we have decided to forgo birthday and Christmas presents and go away somewhere nice twice a year. I arranged his birthday one. I also booked mine. I would have loved him to book, but hey ho, i knew what i wanted and he agreed he would pay half.

I paid for the spa of the hotel we were heading to. And then 2 days before my birthday, I ended up paying the rest. It wasn't cheap. But I was determined not to spoil it by fighting for the money. I'd received some for Christmas, and I would have liked to keep some, but that's now gone.

His excuse for not paying his half; he's self employed and hadn't worked much over Christmas. Or the weeks before. Or the week after. And although I know he has some stashed, he hasn't been forthcoming with it.

It's the morning of my birthday. He gets me breakfast in bed, flowers. Ive booked Sunday lunch on the way to the hotel, his suggestion, but I booked as its v popular. So, we need to be on time.

I have a shower, expecting him to pack his overnight bag whilst I'm getting ready. We've been away for the night many times. He knows what to do. But no. He's faffing. Again, I don't react. Previously this would cause a row, as I hate setting off late, being late, being disorganised. I remind him to pack his swimming stuff and just let it go.

We set off, he takes the wrong turn. Again, i don't say anything.

We have lunch. He pays. Card declined because he's not moved money from his stash. Leave him to sort whilst I go to loo as I find it pretty triggering/upsetting after many years of having no money. Again, I don't comment, just smile ano check all sorted when I return.

We head off, it's a beautiful day. As we turn into the hotel he announces he's forgotten his trunks. At 3.30pm.on a Sunday. In the middle of nowhere. We check in, he makes a mad dash to find some. I refused to go as I was really annoyed. But I didn't shout/make a fuss, just told him i was annoyed and by the time he returned, trunks in hand, I'm calm.

We had a lovely time. Chatted about how to help him get back on track with his work. I'm feeling hugely under pressure financially, but I'm really trying to communicate in a better way, so not getting upset and mad.

We return in the Monday. He's full of cold. No sleep for either of us. I went to work Tuesday, told him to try rest etc. No work done, but no real effort to look after himself either. Tuesday night, no sleep again. Wednesday, I work. He doesn't. But he also leaves the house in a shit tip. And finally I blow. Over the pots.

I'm exhausted. I'm so damn exhausted with being the carer and not being cared for.

Yesterday, he had done the pots. And made dinner. But I fear its too little, too late. I've run out of things to say to him. And stopped caring.

I've opened a bank account called "1 day". It's my way out.

There's so much more, but I feel this is already too long.

OP posts:
TokTik7 · 12/01/2024 13:09

He can easily earn enough to pay all the bills doing a job he loves. But the minute I get a job, he cuts back to earn half the bills.

This is pure laziness though. Nothing to do with any diagnosis. I would not be able to stay with such a lazy person.

CatMadam · 12/01/2024 13:10

Op, he sounds exhausting. Having to be the ‘main adult’ in a relationship builds so much resentment. He sounds like he doesn’t appreciate you or put much or any work into your relationship at all.

AnneElliott · 12/01/2024 13:14

The thing about his needs trumping yours is something that resonates with me. No real answer as we are still 'together' in a fashion but it's something that has worn me down over the years and so I get it.

Maybe counselling is an option? I've not done that as I'd be the bloody one organising it and I just refuse to. One thing I have done is to left him face the full consequences of any action or inaction by him. I sort out DS but refuse to get involved in his issues - he's an adult and if he late or whatever then he sorts it.

He often doesn't have clean undies to wear as he's not washed them. I just ignore and let him sort out if he wants to go without or wear the ones from the day before!!

No real answers op but I get why this is hard.

Prawncow · 12/01/2024 13:19

he agreed he would pay half … And then 2 days before my birthday, I ended up paying the rest. It wasn't cheap. But I was determined not to spoil it by fighting for the money

I feel like his mother all too often.

It sounds like you’ve reached your limit. You’re not challenging him when he lets you down (again) because you know it’s pointless and won’t change anything. You’re finding the relationship a burden.

I think you’re doing the right thing. Cut back your spending, stop covering for him financially because of his laziness/disorganisation and start building yourself an escape fund.

Dweetfidilove · 12/01/2024 13:20

He sounds almost pointless ☹️

Sequinppigeon · 12/01/2024 13:24

He sounds selfish and lazy. It's shocking yo see lots of comments saying otherwise tbh!

JenniferJupiterVenusandMars · 12/01/2024 13:27

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 12/01/2024 11:50

Its the lack of care, he doesn't care enough to make an effort for you. It's tiring when you feel like you have an extra child not a life partner.

I've recently had a dirty cup moment and if anything it was even more insignificant than yours but it just reinforced that I don't matter.

This is my situation too. He doesn’t care and I’m starting to feel very indifferent about him.
Married for 45 years ☹️

forrestgreen · 12/01/2024 13:35

So much resonates. I wish I'd been brave enough to make that bank enough. He ended up having an affair which ended us.
I wish I'd done it years earlier for no reasons or his failure to do anything...

If your mum will have the bank account in her name that'd be good. Or it'll count as a marital asset.

Good luck.
A hint. But anything now that you'll want or need. Stock up on everything. Because he'll get half if he's useless.

LadyBird1973 · 12/01/2024 14:03

I think I'd leave him now, before you've built up a pot of money he can claim half of! He sounds exhausting.

Not all relationships are meant to last forever. It's okay to have had enough and not want to parent your partner. Someone doesn't have to be an all out abusive arsehole for it to be okay to leave them. Regardless of his problems, they aren't yours to fix and if he's unwilling to do anything to sort them out, there's little you can do bar save yourself.

Dirtycupmoment · 12/01/2024 19:48

Thank you to all who have shared. I'm sorry so many others who are suffering too.
I feel there's a lot if thinking and trying to work out what to do next.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2024 14:58

Dirtycupmoment · 12/01/2024 19:48

Thank you to all who have shared. I'm sorry so many others who are suffering too.
I feel there's a lot if thinking and trying to work out what to do next.

Well, the first thing you need to do is see a solicitor. It doesn't mean you're 'doing anything' right away, it just means that you're educating yourself on what divorce may mean to you. It will remove a lot of unanswered questions about your future (especially wrt finances and DC) and may make your 'final decision' much easier and clearer to make.

VeryHungrySeaCucumber · 13/01/2024 15:10

OP you say "What I don't understand..." but deep down, oh yes you do. You understand exactly who he is, and what his modus operandus is in your relationship. And that it is very unlikely to change for the better. It's a piss take, and he's not actually particularly nice overall even if he is nice in some ways some of the time. It's a big step, but I'd be leaning towards saying leave him, because I think that's what you are thinking anyway.

LifeExperience · 13/01/2024 15:58

I was a little on his side until I read your update, but not now. He's a gold-plated twat. He cut his hours but didn't step up to clean the house and take care of the kids 50/50. He gets defensive when you want to know about family finances and makes you ASK for money each month. Twat!

FreeAdamsApples · 13/01/2024 17:44

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2024 14:58

Well, the first thing you need to do is see a solicitor. It doesn't mean you're 'doing anything' right away, it just means that you're educating yourself on what divorce may mean to you. It will remove a lot of unanswered questions about your future (especially wrt finances and DC) and may make your 'final decision' much easier and clearer to make.

This is very good advice. Knowledge is power.

MissusWeasley · 13/01/2024 17:56

Namechange666 · 12/01/2024 11:29

Well if you believe he is neurodiverse (which I have been diagnosed) he needs diagnosis and then potentially medication. I've heard medication makes a huge difference. I would recommend saving to go private as the waiting lists are years and years.

You have to understand it's a neurological disorder. Our brains don't work the way yours does. What you see as easy is a nightmare for someone like me. Apparently everything that needs doing, our brain puts in extra steps so everything is a mountain when it should be a molehill and everything becomes impossible.

He needs to take responsibility for his issues. I use a phone calendar with multiple reminders. I plan ahead with google maps when I drive even down to where I will park so I don't get stressed. Anything I need to remember to take with me to work, I leave near my shoes or my handbag.

There are ways around these things but he has to do them. Not you for him.

Planners and notebooks don't work. Electrical devices do because I always have mine with me.

I got diagnosed with adhd centre. They were fantastic.

I agree with you that he has to take responsibility. As a neurodiverse person, I think it’s a valid choice to not want to stay in a relationship with someone because of it. I also doubt he will change at this point.

@Dirtycupmoment I think it’s reasonable to decide to separate regarding this, if you wish. It’s wearing and you can’t change it yourself even though you’re impacted by it.

SwordToFlamethrower · 13/01/2024 18:14

Bad time management is an ADHD trait. Has he always been like that?

Did he have to drive far for the getaway? Does he always drive?

You don't need a reason to split up, but you've got one anyway. You just don't like him anymore.

Let him go and watch the stress dissipate

SwordToFlamethrower · 13/01/2024 19:20

VeryHungrySeaCucumber · 13/01/2024 15:10

OP you say "What I don't understand..." but deep down, oh yes you do. You understand exactly who he is, and what his modus operandus is in your relationship. And that it is very unlikely to change for the better. It's a piss take, and he's not actually particularly nice overall even if he is nice in some ways some of the time. It's a big step, but I'd be leaning towards saying leave him, because I think that's what you are thinking anyway.

How nice would he be if you stopped doing things for him that he takes for granted? His laundry? His food etc?

How nice is he when you say "no" to him?

LadyBird1973 · 13/01/2024 19:57

Have you asked him to set up a standing order to your account for his share of expenses? How did he respond? This would be key for me.
It's his responsibility to ensure there are sufficient funds to cover it.
Since you have separate finances, I certainly wouldn't be subsidising his expenses at all. Or mopping up after him re house work. If he's not 'all in' there's no reason why you should be.

edited for typo

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