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Boyfriend mushed me in the face

75 replies

Momniiii · 09/01/2024 17:46

My boyfriend and I sat down per his request to talk about him feeling there is a lack of affection present during the last two weeks of him working overtime (50-60 hrs per week). I got up hugged him, told him I loved him and that I was sorry and would do better. I then asked if the conversation was open for me to express myself as well by stating “Is this a two-way conversation or did you just want to vent?” He said yeah of course it’s two way. I expressed that I’ve been feeling emotionally alone and shutdown by him and that sometimes I need that level of connection to be physical. He begins to tell me that he knew I would do this that wow perfect time to choose to talk about this. I give him an example of when he said he’d resume a conversation and address a moment where i felt he lacked empathy and he said that I need to just let things go.l and that if I was crying because I felt bad for him why would he need to drop his feelings and ask me why I was crying. He then said I love to argue and he began to dismiss me and do things around the kit he’d I began raising my voice saying that I held myself account and apologized for my part, why can’t you do the same? And he asked me why can’t I just shut up sometimes. I got angrier and kept repeating what he said and following him and he said just shut the fuck up and then mushed me in my face.

can you consider this to be abuse? Am I wrong? He did this in front of our son.

OP posts:
Summerhillsquare · 09/01/2024 20:33

This 'affection' he feels entitled to, he means sex, doesn't he? So he coercing you as well?

LordyMe · 09/01/2024 21:15

Poor child. It's so sad that he had to experience this.

adriftinadenofvipers · 09/01/2024 21:17

Get rid. It's all abusive.

BowlOfNoodles · 09/01/2024 21:20

That's where it started for me with my ex a push then a punch 👊

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 09/01/2024 21:28

I'm so sorry that you have a child by this man. I do too with someone similar.

He reminded me so much of my ex- claiming he could accept feedback but then turning it around on you. Sorry but this man doesn't care about your feelings or perspective or experiences in the relationship - it won't get better. Please get rid of him. Although it's relatively common from men it isn't normal
In a healthy relationship.

Don't stay 'for' your child- your child is witnessing an awful dynamic and would be better in my view if you split and s/he just saw you separately.

From experience, life gets a lot better once you leave a relationship like this and counselling really helps to heal from it xx

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 09/01/2024 21:30

Pinkbonbon · 09/01/2024 19:45

Maybe I'm reading wrong but I don't see how op abused him. She asked him if she could discuss something. He said yes.

She talked about how she feels she needs more from him in terms of an emotional connection to want sex.

He tells her 'here you go again'.

Because yeah, how dare she need the bare minimum from her partner and ask for it?

She raises a valid point - 'I am accountable for my behaviour and apologise when I hurt you, but you do not do the same'.

He tells her to shut up. !?!?!?!!

OK at this point, it would have been wise of her just to leave the room. But honestly if your partner told you to shut up, you'd say nothing?

I'd be fucking raging. I'd probably do as op did and repeat 'shut up!?' and follow him expecting am apology.

Not to be friggin assaulted.

In what world is op abusive!?
She simply reacted to his abuse, in not the best way but perfectly normally imo.

I think a lot of people on here have not been the victim of the certain kind of abuse op is going through. Where you're just trying to seek a little validation for your feelings one minute and the next they are making out that you are some evil, selfish person for daring to voice your needs. And you have no idea how it came to this situation where you were just trying to talk to them and suddenly you have to defend your integrity and decency and for some reason they just won't listen to your perspective. You can't find the right words to make them understand and they twist everything.

They'll air their grievances and you've listened and apologise and try to be more conscious of their needs. But they aren't interested in doing that for you. Infact they'll now use this opportunity, after they have you feeling you might be the bad guy, to kick you when you're down.

Ops reaction is a perfectly normal one to emotional assault. Adrenaline causes us to not think straight sometimes.

Edited

This

Ladyj84 · 09/01/2024 21:34

He assaulted you so leave. He wants his leg over that's why he wanted a chat I couldn't be bothered with anyone like that sorry but a relationship is a 2 way communication of feelings not just one person's and it's a chat without arguments aswel

Jollyoldfruit · 09/01/2024 21:42

So he wants more sex but doesn't care if you feel neglected emotionally and he can't be bothered to put any effort into the relationship.
He just wants sex on tap!

LTB.

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:03

Momniiii · 09/01/2024 17:54

It’s a term for someone taking the palm of their hand and pushing another person in the face. Sorry about the other typos though.

That is not a word but yes an awful thing to do.

The whole thing sounds awful though, to be honest I couldn’t even fill your post, but t sounds like a crap relationship if this is typical.

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:06

Pinkbonbon · 09/01/2024 19:45

Maybe I'm reading wrong but I don't see how op abused him. She asked him if she could discuss something. He said yes.

She talked about how she feels she needs more from him in terms of an emotional connection to want sex.

He tells her 'here you go again'.

Because yeah, how dare she need the bare minimum from her partner and ask for it?

She raises a valid point - 'I am accountable for my behaviour and apologise when I hurt you, but you do not do the same'.

He tells her to shut up. !?!?!?!!

OK at this point, it would have been wise of her just to leave the room. But honestly if your partner told you to shut up, you'd say nothing?

I'd be fucking raging. I'd probably do as op did and repeat 'shut up!?' and follow him expecting am apology.

Not to be friggin assaulted.

In what world is op abusive!?
She simply reacted to his abuse, in not the best way but perfectly normally imo.

I think a lot of people on here have not been the victim of the certain kind of abuse op is going through. Where you're just trying to seek a little validation for your feelings one minute and the next they are making out that you are some evil, selfish person for daring to voice your needs. And you have no idea how it came to this situation where you were just trying to talk to them and suddenly you have to defend your integrity and decency and for some reason they just won't listen to your perspective. You can't find the right words to make them understand and they twist everything.

They'll air their grievances and you've listened and apologise and try to be more conscious of their needs. But they aren't interested in doing that for you. Infact they'll now use this opportunity, after they have you feeling you might be the bad guy, to kick you when you're down.

Ops reaction is a perfectly normal one to emotional assault. Adrenaline causes us to not think straight sometimes.

Edited

Well you read the first sentence wrong so maybe you did. OP did not ask if she could discuss something, he asked.

Pinkbonbon · 10/01/2024 02:08

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:06

Well you read the first sentence wrong so maybe you did. OP did not ask if she could discuss something, he asked.

Yes and THEN she asked.
She asked him if she could also air her issues and he said YES.

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:32

Pinkbonbon · 10/01/2024 02:08

Yes and THEN she asked.
She asked him if she could also air her issues and he said YES.

You don’t need to explain to me, I read it correctly the first time.

Pinkbonbon · 10/01/2024 02:49

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:32

You don’t need to explain to me, I read it correctly the first time.

And so did I. So I don't understand what your issue is with my original post.

I didn't misread anything, op asked him if she could discuss something with him and he said yes.

Unless your point is just that he asked first?
But they had that discussion then op asked to discuss her issue after that, and he (initially) approved. So the fact that he asked first...isn't relevant.

penjil · 10/01/2024 02:49

Momniiii · 09/01/2024 17:54

It’s a term for someone taking the palm of their hand and pushing another person in the face. Sorry about the other typos though.

Must be a regional term. I've never heard of it, and nor had a few others by the looks of it.

It's not great behaviour and could be the start of more physical aggression at future arguments.

A "mushing" isn't a slap or a punch - but next time it could be.

TheShellBeach · 10/01/2024 02:54

penjil · 10/01/2024 02:49

Must be a regional term. I've never heard of it, and nor had a few others by the looks of it.

It's not great behaviour and could be the start of more physical aggression at future arguments.

A "mushing" isn't a slap or a punch - but next time it could be.

It's still very aggressive behaviour and completely unacceptable.

BalletBob · 10/01/2024 09:28

Muchof · 10/01/2024 02:32

You don’t need to explain to me, I read it correctly the first time.

Eh? You said "OP did not ask if she could discuss something". That's incorrect. She may not have been the person to initiate the conversation, but she absolutely did ask if she could discuss something.

AlexisBleedyhell · 10/01/2024 09:36

You're both abusive and toxic.
He was trying to walk away from confrontation but you kept antagonising him, you started raising your voice when your kid was there.
He put his hand on you in front of your kid.
You need to separate but I wouldn't say he is worse or better than you. He walked away and you kept pushing and pushing. That could be reactive abuse.
You started the shouting.

AlexisBleedyhell · 10/01/2024 09:39

Just because she asked him if she could air her issues it doesn't mean it was ok for her to raise her voice and it doesn't mean he can't walk away for a breather.
Let's not just side with an op because of her sex.

AdamRyan · 10/01/2024 10:11

I'm siding with the op because her partners been sexually and physically abusive to her.

Her "raising her voice" doesn't justify his behaviour.

RantyAnty · 10/01/2024 13:24

AlexisBleedyhell · 10/01/2024 09:39

Just because she asked him if she could air her issues it doesn't mean it was ok for her to raise her voice and it doesn't mean he can't walk away for a breather.
Let's not just side with an op because of her sex.

And you're against her just because of her sex as she is supposed to be quiet and demure at all times. There's no justification to physical violence which is what he did to her.

applesandmares · 10/01/2024 18:21

AdamRyan · 10/01/2024 10:11

I'm siding with the op because her partners been sexually and physically abusive to her.

Her "raising her voice" doesn't justify his behaviour.

@AdamRyan are you seriously saying that OP's partner is sexually abusive towards her because he said he wanted more affection? Communicating with your partner that you'd like more sex is not sexual abuse fgs

Pinkbonbon · 10/01/2024 18:28

applesandmares · 10/01/2024 18:21

@AdamRyan are you seriously saying that OP's partner is sexually abusive towards her because he said he wanted more affection? Communicating with your partner that you'd like more sex is not sexual abuse fgs

I think she means that op wants more affection but he wants more sex and is unwilling to work on their emotionally intimacy first.

Doesn't necessarily point to sexual abuse but someone who pesters for physical intimacy when bring unwilling to even discuss what the other party needs in order to want to do that...May not be a big leap to assume there is sexual abuse involved, or at least, coercive behaviour. Speculative yes. But it wouldn't surprise me.

dickdarstardlymuttley · 10/01/2024 18:36

LTB. Run. Don't look back.

AdamRyan · 10/01/2024 18:47

AdamRyan · 09/01/2024 18:45

I'm assuming by "lack of affection" he means sex? And you were trying to explain you aren't going to want sex without spending time together doing other things first?
If so then yes he's abusive. Not only physically but sexually, he's been extremely coercive. He's basically saying give him more sex or else.
You deserve better.

This is how I read her OP.
He is guilt tripping her into sex, that's sexual coercion and not OK.

I might have got it wrong, but after several reads of the OP I doubt it.

Opentooffers · 11/01/2024 00:00

So, either he does want more sex off you, or maybe he engineered the whole incident to make him feel better and give him justification, and also get you to move out easily. Can his or has his recent spurt of overtime been backed up with financial evidence? Can you verify that he has indeed worked those hours. Just thinking that he wouldn't be the first man to claim there are working overtime, when really, they could be doing something entirely different.

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