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Christmas Day, newish partner and kids

93 replies

flagonfull · 03/12/2023 20:37

I think I already know the answer to this but putting it out there.
ive been with my partner just under a year. The kids know him but not well (young teens)
my eldest has said they want it to be just us waking up together on Christmas morning and doing our presents etc together and for him to come afterwards.

i like the idea of waking up with him on our first Christmas together, especially knowing that I will have a job to get the eldest out of bed at any reasonable hour and they will be champing at the bit to get back into their rooms most of the day but I also feel that they are not kids for much longer and it’s important to ‘hear’ when the eldest asked for it to be ‘just us’.

it was apparently difficult last year with their dads girlfriend and not very relaxed although my bf is different I don’t want to make my kids uncomfortable.

eldest is happy for him to come later on so it’s not like he’s not welcome at all.

this is a new area for me and I asked out of respect for my kids but I also know lots of people say I pander to them too much hence my bit of self doubt, am I pandering or being dictated to or am I being respectful of their needs and preferences?

OP posts:
Branster · 03/12/2023 21:47

I think OP made it very clear, no man is sleeping over when the kids are there.
And this is how it should be for the kids' sake.

flagonfull · 03/12/2023 22:19

@MightyMinestrone poor kids?!
We came up with the compromise idea together and I know them well enough to know if they were just saying it under duress. If they were then I wouldn’t be asking here.

My marriage split when the kids were toddlers , over ten years ago and they have spent christmasses with their dads girlfriends and I trust their dad to make that judgement.
as long as the woman is nice to my kids, it’s not my business and it only ever happens when he’s in serious relationships.

theyre not traumatised babies seeing me with a string of men staying overnight .
they’re old enough to see that I might not want to be alone anymore and they have many friends whose parents have remarried and have step families etc ,

I have not done anything wrong to start a new relationship which I’ve predominantly kept separate from my kids.
I have not dated for a long time and that is in the main because I have dedicated my life to parenting and working.

I am only seeing this person now because I know him well and for a very long time and as far as anybody can, I believe that he’s a safe person. If it wasn’t him I’d still be single as I am very careful about who comes into our life and home .

nobody is trampling all over their common ground or privacy, nobody is suffering and it’s not horrendous .

He has no intention of insisting on spending Christmas with us and the conversation has come up because it’s that time of year and as we become closer it’s natural to talk about Christmas Day plans.
me and him both agreed I would discuss it with the kids first and foremost before we made further plans.

He is someone I’ve known since childhood and he has his own adult kids and grandkids etc, and as previously posted it’s very rare that he is around my kids because I predominantly keep it very separate.

I don’t understand your analogy, My (ex) ‘husband’s girlfriend inserting herself into my Christmas’ is a scenario that just wouldn’t come up and is a far less natural scenario than my partner in my house.
if me and my ex husband ever do need to socialise together, eg kids’ birthdays etc, I don’t have any problems with his partner being there but we have pretty much either done it together or not depending on the circumstances .
as they get older it’s tending to be one child has a preference for one parent and their shared hobbies etc so only one parent present for each child’s birthday.

i spend most evenings and weekends alone when they’re in their rooms or with friends.
i only see my partner on alternate weekends if we’re both free, when the kids are with their dad and an evening a week when they’re away if we’re both not too tired .

we both work hard and have demanding lifestyles so we are not in each others pocket.

i don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask about having someone else around for some of the day when I will be alone for much of it.
he won’t be in their bedrooms and as we’ve already established he won’t be staying over.

OP posts:
barbieofswanlake · 03/12/2023 23:21

@MightyMinestrone your post is extremely odd and speculative to the point of literally just making a whole load of stuff up! I think
you are possibly projecting some of your own stuff onto the op!

Burntouted · 04/12/2023 03:22

Listen to your children. It's probably best if he doesn't come at all then. Spend the holidays only with your children.. He doesn't need to be in your house, around your children, certaintly not spending the night.. Perhaps it is better to end the relationship or see this guy casually when your children aren't there.

Your children's visitation and time with you should not include this man.

He is a boyfriend of less than a year, not a step parent. Do not involve him in the discipline, caretaking, and nurturing of your children..such as helping to wake your children up. He is not their father or step parent. He doesn't get those liberties and privileges.

Are you with this guy and rushing things along because you know their father has a girlfriend? Are you exposing this guy to your children in hopes that they tell their father, and he can react?? Is it a case of finding a boyfriend because their father has a girlfriend?? Do you even like this guy genuinely??

It was too soon for them to be around him...too soon for him to be anywhere in your home.

You know that they are still uncomfortable and having a hard time adjusting to their dad's relationship, so

why did you think that it was a good idea getting into a relationship and start exposing them to a stranger soon afterwards??

These things take time. Time both parents should be sensitive to and have taken.

I know that you don't want to remain single, but perhaps it would be a wise idea to end things and pursue a relationship with someone after they leave the nest, and are of age and financial capability to move if it's too much for them.

Your children are grieving, adjusting, and uncomfortable with this...and their father

Put your children first, not a strange man.

Ponderingwindow · 04/12/2023 03:42

He doesn’t belong there on Christmas Day at all. He shouldn’t be a part of their lives yet and he isn’t really from what you have said. Why on earth would you pick Christmas to insert him into your home life?

don’t guilt trip your children into agreeing to have your boyfriend crash Christmas.

MilkChocolateCookie · 04/12/2023 03:49

flagonfull · 03/12/2023 21:33

Annoyingly I don’t seem to be able to respond to individual messages, not sure what I’m doing wrong but I really appreciate all of them!

You have to use Quote rather than Reply - Reply is completely useless.

EtiennePalmiere · 04/12/2023 04:00

Some odd responses here. I think you sound like a good parent, and it seems that no one has an issue with him coming for the meal. I agree not to have him stay too late in the evening.

Weatherwax13 · 04/12/2023 04:44

Good grief. There are some massively dramatic responses here. OP asked about having her boyfriend over at Christmas.
She didn't say she was abdicating all responsibility for her DC and moving some stranger in.
OP, I think you have a nice compromise worked out. You certainly shouldn't have to miss out on seeing your DP but this way the DC have plenty of attention first.
Enjoy your Christmas.

saffronsoup · 04/12/2023 04:46

It sounds like for the most part you have kept him separate and the kids don’t really know him. I don’t think I would pick Christmas as the day to make him part of the family. It would be better to have them get to know him more before you include him in family holidays and celebrations.

ohdamnitjanet · 04/12/2023 04:54

You sound like a fab mum, I hope you all have a lovely day. There’s no reason why you should sit downstairs on your own Christmas Day when your children disappear to their rooms.

Burntouted · 04/12/2023 05:25

"it was apparently difficult last year with their dads girlfriend and not very relaxed although"

Sooo...you knew Christmas at their dad's last year was difficult because of the girlfriend being there, (perhaps other things)....

but knowing this ...a short time span after (had to be a short span of time if you've been seeing him under a year now) Christmas...you started seeing this man, and having him in your house and around your children?? During their visits??

You and your children don't even know him well enough for these things to happen.

Why do you feel like he needs to be around during visits at all??

They don't want him there at all. They are uncomfortable around him and the house when he's there. Your eldest probably only agreed to him coming to dinner because he knows you want him there that it would mean much to you, or he was coerced into it.

Even if they all wanted him there genuinely, it would still be inappropriate, and something concerning.

Don't force your children to accept a stranger.

Even though it was years ago when you and their father ended things, they may still be having a difficult time.

I personally don't feel parents should start dating...seriously...until their children leave the nest.

Also, this guy that you're seeing doesnt sound like a quality man. He shouldn't be hanging around a woman and her children during their visitation. Nor should he be wanting to insert himself into Christmas/family dynamics.

Honestly if he was of much quality, it would be a turn off that a woman that he barely knows has had him in her home (while kids there) and around her kids (whom he hasn't formed a bond with).

Just be careful with him....you don't know him well...and him allowing himself to be around your children is concerning.

Lampzade · 04/12/2023 05:34

Op, I don’t think that he should be there on Christmas Day at all.
He should come on Boxing Day evening.
Your dcs need time to build up some sort of relationship with him and him coming on Christmas Day may be too much.

Nancydrawn · 04/12/2023 05:42

I think it makes most sense for him to spend Christmas with his grandchildren and you to spend it with your children, and then perhaps celebrate on Boxing Day together.

I remember my own childhood Christmases very fondly, and I think it would have been awkward to have what was essentially a stranger in the house. Puts rather a damper on the part where you run around in pajamas and get really unselfconsciously excited about things.

Maybe, potentially, Christmas dinner would be okay, though I suppose it depends how old your children are. It sounds like they're 12-13? It's borderline for dinner.

Is there a way for him to stay with his grandchildren/family for the day and then see you after?

flagonfull · 04/12/2023 09:15

There really are some extreme responses here, unfortunately I don’t have the quote option but in amongst them are some lovely reasoned responses and I am going to stick with those.
fortunately I can pick whichever viewpoint suits my rob and I choose the realistic logical ones rather than the ones that would stone me as scarlet woman or burn me at the stake if they had half a chance.

I have seen couples with my age kids split , get married and have new babies in the time I’ve been divorced.
over a decade it doesn’t seem fast or inappropriate to me, life goes on.
whilst I’m not in any rush to remarry I don’t think I should stay single ‘until the children leave the nest’.

thats tantamount to saying only married parents should be in relationships.
how many unhappily married people do you know?

how many children are raised in families where the parents argue? Fight? Cheat? Where one spouse has an addiction? where they don’t fight but the tension is palpable and always there?
families where one parent consistently absents themselves for ‘work’ or their hobby?

how many wives do you know who stay with their husbands just because it’s easier, they have more money together, nobody wants to leave the family home? Turn a blind eye to affairs etc because they don’t want to lose face or be alone? Wives who cheat or can’t have sex with their husband because it makes their skin crawl?

why do they get to have a relationship and I have to stay alone wearing widows weeds for 18 years just because I didn’t want to stay in an unhappy relationship ?

are only married men ‘quality men’?
all these married men on the mumsnet threads who text other women , financially control their wives, watch loads of porn etc are the quality ones?
a man who starts a relationship with a single mum is not a quality person?

what about a single dad ? What if he was a widower and met someone new?
would people say he must stay single and never remarry or have a relationship because his wife died?
because him and his children should grieve forever and he should be forever alone?

my kids are pretty well rounded, I’m sure there is an element of them still sad about their parents not being together but to talk about them actively grieving is a huge reach.

when my children are adults and have adult relationships themselves, I am not going to expect them to stay alone forever should their own marriages implode.

I’m not going to set an example that suggests their grief over their parents divorce means that our life doesn’t evolve at all and we keep a man shaped gap at every feast for fear of unsettling them.

nowhere in my posts does it suggest I’ve rushed into a a relationship to retaliate against their fathers own relationship.

there is nothing reactionary happening here.
two people who were poorly matched had children and got divorced.

ten years later the mum is in a relationship and the dad has been in a few relationships during that time. I have not been jealous or trying to shove in some random guy to spite their dad. I thought long and hard about dating him.

I’ve always liked him as a friend, I know his family, his principles and morals, I know he’s a quality person because I know him and I knew him when he was married, before he was married, I know his ex girlfriends, I know his friends, we have multiple mutual friends and we started dating the old fashioned way.
i was not on any date sites and neither was he, both of us were happy single at the time and neither expected to end up in what feels like a potentially serious relationship.

this new man isn’t doing anything wrong, he is not infiltrating their ‘visits’ , they have met him as I’ve said ’in passing’ , initially because they’d left something behind when at their dads and come home unexpectedly and he was with me.
fortunately they already knew about him so it wasn’t too much of a shock but a five minute thing.
subsequently it has been similar occasions, he’s popped in to drop something off/ pick something up, been with mutual friends dropping in and having a cuppa, helped me with some heavy furniture and came to my recent birthday meal, popped in on their birthdays to drop off presents , this is over almost a year.

no sleeping over and no trampling on anything.
he is very clear on the boundaries between my time with my kids and my time with him and my time to be alone or with my friends etc.
as before, he has a lot of commitments etc too so nowhere are we forcing him into the kids’ lives.

I can see why it seems a jump to have him on Christmas but that’s because it’s such a loaded date for so many people.
the Christmas last year with their dad and his gf was unrelaxed because their dad and his girlfriend are much stricter than me, they had no choice but to eat roast and had to wait until a particular time to open their presents and were made to dress a certain way and compelled to sit like stepford kids.
our dynamic is different in my house and that’s the bit they look forward to, the freedom to open presents as soon as we get up, mooch around and because I cook alone they get a lot of time to themselves which they want after frantic school week and highly structured time with their dad.

They have demonstrated on many Occasions that they need this down time at mine which often means them decompressing in their rooms

the holidays are long, the kids have ample days to spend with me. Knowing my kids I know how that will go.
he has two days off during the nearly three week period, and I want to spend some of one of the days with him NOT sleeping over .
I have a chance of sharing some of the day with another adult. It’s my time too.
i spend most of their time at my house on my own downstairs.
i will love not to have to slave over Christmas dinner on my own and then present it to two teens who say it looks disgusting and make retching noises when I bring it out.

we will do crackers etc it feels disappointing to serve up pizza and pasta on Christmas Day to two kids who will wolf it down and then say they’re full and want to FaceTime their friends upstairs.
they say playing games is cringe. They argue over what to watch on the telly so we can never settle on a Christmas film, even if it’s one they both like and the eldest will always get up and leave before it finishes.

i will be literally forcing them out for a walk on the day . They’ve already refused to attend anything Christmassy with me this year, no carolling, no trips looking at Christmas lights , refusing to allow me to any embarrassing high school Christmas events , it’s not the same as when they were younger and we spent December doing lots of lovely events and build up to Christmas, they don’t even want a say in decorating the tree the last few years.

i would like to enjoy my delicious cooking with someone who will also enjoy it and help with the clearing up.
I will have some company and to share some of the day with another adult person who I know to be safe and kind and fun.
i want not be ignored or to feel like I’m forcing my kids to spend time with me just because it’s 25th December.

if I was taking them to visit relatives they’d hate it and would feel a lot less relaxed than spending probably less than an hour with a man they know in their home where they don’t have to be on best behaviour

i want them to feel relaxed in their home and that includes not forcing them to conform to a certain schedule just because of the date but at the same time I am not going to spend most of the day alone when I have a perfectly lovely boyfriend who wants to spend time with us .

OP posts:
LaurieStrode · 04/12/2023 10:00

Don't inflict your boyfriend on your kids' Christmas day. Focus on them.

Smh.

LaurieStrode · 04/12/2023 10:00

Ohdearwhatnow4 · 03/12/2023 20:42

Can he not stay over and sneak out very early before kids wake, then come back later

No!

MrsSkylerWhite · 04/12/2023 10:11

Kids come first. He can join you later if they’re ok with that.

HidingFromDD · 04/12/2023 10:49

Sounds like you’ve made the right decision anyway (imo) but just to add my thoughts.
look at this not as a single Christmas Day abut as something that adds to the core of how you and your children relate. In years to come (but probably not while they’re teenagers) they’ll remember that they were consulted and everyone’s (including yours) views were taken into account to come up with something they were all happy with. You’re respectful of their wishes and modelling the behaviour you’d want from them as they mature
sounds like you’re doing a great job!

pictoosh · 04/12/2023 11:04

Ohdearwhatnow4 · 03/12/2023 20:42

Can he not stay over and sneak out very early before kids wake, then come back later

They are adults. This would be so stupid.

pictoosh · 04/12/2023 11:05

I also agree to listen to your kids.

Annasgirl · 04/12/2023 11:16

Oh OP, you are getting a very hard time. You sound like a great mum. You have done the right thing by consulting your children. Go with their suggestions. As a parent of teens who do not eat Christmas dinner, one as a vegetarian, the other with an eating disorder, I am glad that at least DH and youngest DC eat with me. I also invite my whole family for Boxing Day lunch in order to share the food I spend hours cooking.

So have your early Christmas Day with your children and as you say, when they have had enough of you, have a nice dinner with your DP.

I hope it all works out well for you both and that this is the first of many Christmas Dinners you have together.

flagonfull · 04/12/2023 11:34

HidingFromDD · 04/12/2023 10:49

Sounds like you’ve made the right decision anyway (imo) but just to add my thoughts.
look at this not as a single Christmas Day abut as something that adds to the core of how you and your children relate. In years to come (but probably not while they’re teenagers) they’ll remember that they were consulted and everyone’s (including yours) views were taken into account to come up with something they were all happy with. You’re respectful of their wishes and modelling the behaviour you’d want from them as they mature
sounds like you’re doing a great job!

I love this, thank you, it made me cry. I run most things past my kids except in clear cases where it’s my parental decision or areas where they don’t need to know the ins and outs of adult responsibility and sometimes stressors.

OP posts:
flagonfull · 04/12/2023 11:36

Annasgirl · 04/12/2023 11:16

Oh OP, you are getting a very hard time. You sound like a great mum. You have done the right thing by consulting your children. Go with their suggestions. As a parent of teens who do not eat Christmas dinner, one as a vegetarian, the other with an eating disorder, I am glad that at least DH and youngest DC eat with me. I also invite my whole family for Boxing Day lunch in order to share the food I spend hours cooking.

So have your early Christmas Day with your children and as you say, when they have had enough of you, have a nice dinner with your DP.

I hope it all works out well for you both and that this is the first of many Christmas Dinners you have together.

Thank you that’s really lovely. I am glad you get to share your dinner with others too.
onwards and upwards!

OP posts:
ILoveMyCaravan · 04/12/2023 11:43

Please listen to your children. When I was a young girl teen My mother's partner made it very clear he didn't want "teenagers" in the house at Christmas. I have never forgotten or forgiven that. It was a really awful day.

flagonfull · 04/12/2023 11:58

pictoosh · 04/12/2023 11:04

They are adults. This would be so stupid.

I finally found the ‘quote’ option!
I have said upthread I’d never do this!
we’re not kids and I don’t need to sneak around in my own house.
they’re extremely light sleepers and if I go down for a midnight feast I’m invariably followed by two fridge raiders 🤣
I do creep around on Christmas Eve to do stockings but I think it would be creepy af to have someone else sneaking around at night, and completely pointless

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