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Hand washing - am I being unreasonable?

77 replies

Doglover321 · 27/11/2023 12:45

Hi everyone,

I have been with my boyfriend on and off for two years now. Hygiene and hand washing has frequently been an issue, with him doing things like refusing to wash his hands after using public toilets for a number 2. We spent a week in Blackpool together and fell out because of his lack of hand washing. I told him that he would make us sick one of these days. Then, about 5 months later, we went to Benidorm together for 2 weeks. He caught norovirus and then I caught it off him 2 days later and it ruined my holiday. I was bed-bound for over a week! I am 26 and prior to this experience, I had not had a proper tummy bug since I was 9-years-old.

Despite how unwell we were in Benidorm, he is still refusing to wash his hands. We were having a lovely time at a local pub when he came back to the table with unwashed hands. He tried lying about washing them before eventually fessing up! I told him to please go back and wash them. He refused and said going back in would make him look like a drug dealer?

And then on a different occasion we went to the cinema together. We were sat there enjoying hotdogs and sharing a bag of popcorn when he decided to touch the very bottom of his shoe while eating these finger foods. The film had just started. I told him to quickly go and wash his hands before continuing to share popcorn with me. He refused, before calling me obsessive in front of the audience. I ended up walking out.

After this incident, we went to our local pub together where he touched the bottom of his shoe again before trying to lie about it when I asked him to wash his hands because we were eating.

Then, we were in IKEA together yesterday. He was touching absolutely everything, and I mean everything. Every doorknob, every oven knob, every touchscreen. Literally everything he could see. Which is absolutely fine. But I asked him to wash his hands because we were about to head to the cinema to see the same film we were meant to see before and he had such a negative attitude and started raising his voice at me in IKEA. Apparently it wasn’t convenient because the toilet was on a different level and we were near the place cutlery might have been and he wanted to get cutlery for the house.

He reassures me he now washes his hands at work, but I am doubtful since he’s still telling me he wouldn’t have washed his hands if he was in IKEA alone.

I just think it’s selfish when we live together and I don’t think my hand washing expectations are particularly unreasonable. I don’t actually wash my hands after using the loo at home. I only wash them when handling rubbish or touching a bin (he won’t wash his hands after touching the bin that the rubbish man has just emptied either), when I’m about to chop veggies or handle meat/after handling raw meat, after touching a lift button, trolley or shop door before eating finger foods. That sort of thing. Oh and we also have a no shoes in the house rule. I’ve done my research and he’s been sent and read so many articles by now that I just don’t know what to do!! Have been trying to educate him on the importance of hand washing and he still doesn’t understand it. Someone help haha x

OP posts:
CrispsandCheeseSandwich · 27/11/2023 14:09

Out of interest, how did you discover this? I can't say I know for certain that DH always washes his hands. I've no reason to think he doesn't, but I don't ask him when he comes back from the bathroom. Your boyfriend is definitely gross, I'm just wondering how you knew.

Norovirus in a hotel room was bound to spread though.

I think you are unreasonable for not washing your hands after going to the loo, especially if you're also insisting that he washes his hands after touching things in a shop.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 27/11/2023 14:14

Presumably this is a piss take but if not then WTAF are you doing with a dirty, lazy, slovenly unhygienic pig? Get rid, obviously....

QueenBitch666 · 27/11/2023 14:16

You both sound a bit grim tbh 🤢

Isitautumnyet23 · 27/11/2023 14:17

If someone doesn’t wash their hands after the loo, there is absoluty no way I would share a bed with that person - disgusting! And yes washing hands is the best way to stop illness (its basic hygiene which we teach pre schoolers). I’d be gone by now!

miniegg3 · 27/11/2023 14:22

Headband · 27/11/2023 13:35

How are you able to tell if he's washed his hands or not after he's used a public toilet? I hope you're not asking him to hold them out for inspection!

He might hold her and and its bone dry maybe? Maybe she's noticed his lack of hygiene and has asked him?

My husband will comment on people coming out the cubical and walking straight out the door (because its gross) or maybe ask for my sanitiser because there hasn't been any soap etc.. so you do tend to get the jist of wether someone cares about hygiene or not

LeRougeEtLeNoir · 27/11/2023 14:39

I think you are over the top. I dint think I’ve ever seen a queue at IKEA (or the cinema, an eating place etc….) of people going to wash their hands before eating for example.
Some people wear shoes in their house too. And won’t wash their hands before eating finger foods (ever eating a sandwich whilst on the go?), after using a trolley or the lift etc…

But he should really wash his hands after going to the loo (and what happened whilst on hols with DV might or might not be from him).

The issue though is that you are behaving like his mum. And tbh it would get my back up too. That’s not an autism issue!!

ManchesterLu · 27/11/2023 14:42

People have different standards of hygiene. It's not even an issue of who's right and who's wrong. The problem is that you are so opposite. It's going to be an issue forever.

Aikko · 27/11/2023 14:46

Always wash hands after going to the toilet, and before eating food.

He's not going to change a habit of a lifetime, and yes - it's grim.

The question is can you live with this for the rest of your life? (I doubt it)

jolaylasofia · 27/11/2023 14:48

it's disgusting not washing hands i agree in that but why are you constantly asking him and how did you come to know he wasn't washing? you sound abit over the top yourself to be honest.

eurochick · 27/11/2023 14:48

You both sound pretty grim and you have double standards to boot.

paradoxicalfrog · 27/11/2023 14:49

"I don’t actually wash my hands after using the loo at home."

Why not? It's basic hygiene. You will have had your hands on the loo roll, the toilet handle, possibly the seat if you have had to put it down and the lid. On the bathroom door handle.

But you've done your research...

SpringleDingle · 27/11/2023 14:50

You sound a bit OTT on the checking on handwashing. However it is gross not to wash after using toilet.

Have you got to the bottom of why he doesn't want to wash his hands? I have ASD so I struggle with strange soap smells, the noise from hand-dryers, itchy hands after washing, using a dirty sink etc.. I carry hand sanitiser that I don't mind the smell of. I then rinse that off in the sink and I shake and air dry. I then use hand cream that smells ok. It has taken some time to find this solution that works for me. I also carry baby-wipes in my car that smell acceptable and I can use those if washing isn't possible for one reason or another.

Assuming your boyfriends washing issues are driven by his ASD then you need to get to the bottom of the problem and look for good solutions. If he is just a lazy, grubby fucker then there is likely nothing you can do to resolve this issue!

CatamaranViper · 27/11/2023 14:50

I used to work on cruise ships and norovirus was everywhere. When we were at higher rates of illness, we would more or less beg guests to wash their hands but I swear people think that germs are also on holiday. I literally had a man crap his trousers, shake the turds on the floor, pick it up and put it in the bin and wiped his hands on his trousers and tried to just move on. We had to stop him and ask him to wash his hands and go to medical.

Bigcat25 · 27/11/2023 14:53

Deal breaker op. For the lying too.

Whataretheodds · 27/11/2023 14:57

You don't wash your hands after going to the loo? I suspect it's not his fault you got norovirus.

rainbowsparkle28 · 27/11/2023 14:59

YANBU. Disgusting 🤢 Fair enough touching whatever but at the bare minimum always should be washed after going to the toilet and before eating food. Jesus.

SamW98 · 27/11/2023 15:06

You sound extreme and he sounds grim but you’re not his parent so a partner thinking it’s their job to educate me would be a deal breaker.

LumpyPumpkin · 27/11/2023 15:34

You're both behaving stupidly here.

You should both be washing hands after using the toilet, every time.

I would find it frustrating to have someone endlessly policing my hand washing habits like you do to your partner. I wouldn't usually wash my hands after touching a lift button or something in a shop. I would wash hands after using toilet, handling food or rubbish, anything else I would consider overkill.

You're treating him like a child and he is behaving like one.

I would tell him the hand washing after the toilet is a deal-breaker and then calm down with the rest. It sounds like a miserable life.

aliceinanwonderland · 27/11/2023 15:40

But why DO men always take their shoes off by grasping the sole (and everything that could be adhered to it) ? I've never liked that!

Daisies12 · 27/11/2023 15:41

He should wash hjs hands but you wash yours excessively. You can’t blame norovirus on him. And the nagging sounds horrific, like you’re his mum.

Doglover321 · 27/11/2023 15:41

Thing is, he wasn’t even taking it off. He just likes touching the bottom of it!

OP posts:
Returnsreturnsandmorereturns · 27/11/2023 15:42

The first line of your OP was enough to for me to say your relationship isn’t right.

RosaMoline · 27/11/2023 15:46

This has to be a wind up.
He’s absolutely disgusting - your descriptions make me feel nauseous to be honest, but then you admit to not washing your hands either after visiting the loo! I wash my hands always, even if it’s just a wee.

MercanDede · 27/11/2023 15:46

Take it from me, he isn’t going to rise to your standard so you are better off with someone who is at the same hygiene standard as you. Otherwise it will be a constant source of irritation and conflict in the relationship.

Your standard is not that high anyway. So don’t settle for less.

yhk · 27/11/2023 16:23

Yuck. I've always washed my hands before eating and after using the toilet. Since COVID, the OCD in me flared up and even to this day I will wash my hands frequently. I avoid touching anything public (will use tissue in my hands to open a public toilet door, press lift buttons with my sleeve etc).

If that were my partner, I wouldn't want their hands anywhere near me.

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