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To not want to live together?

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Isitorisntitxoxo · 19/11/2023 09:40

I've been in a rather unsettled relationship for almost two years. Mostly because my partner's ex has been allowed to cause mayhem. We've just about come out the other side.

I recently got a promotion in work. This will give me an extra couple of thousand pounds pay rise a year. Personally, I'm a single mum of two, receive no maintenance and have worked hard for this. I'm really pleased and looking forward to the money going towards nice things, as opposed to bills bills bills!

My partner has three children, he is 8 years old than me, so he has two adult children and a younger one by a more recent ex. He pays a large sum of maintenance for the youngest one and often spends large sums of money on his two adult children. They're both in their early twenties and still like to stay with their dad.

Currently, my outgoing are higher than DP, due to being sole provider for two children, one is a teen and the other is nine. Also, my rent is higher. Partner is on nearly £40,000 a year, but is so poor with handling money that after a couple of weeks or so, he needs money for shopping or fuel. I have kept this to a minimum, 1. to avoid being a regular go to pocket for money (something I was burned with in the past), and 2. Because I simply can't afford to help a grown man earning more than I do.

Since I've had this promotion, (please note that it hasn't started yet), he has made several references to moving in together. He has discussed buying a bigger, newer family car, looking for a bigger house stating that the younger two can share but if we get a three bed, that can be a room for teenagers for when his adult kids want to sleep, meaning my eldest son won't really have a room himself. He wants to book a big family holiday for us and all kids. He's looking for meals out for Christmas dinner in fancy restaurants, that will literally cost us hundreds to pay for all seven of us.

His ex goes crazy if I spend any time with their LO, something he is always considerateoff to at my expense, meaning myself and my youngest son usually get knocked on the head if he's had a rough pick up with her, so I stated she'd go crazy if we lived together. His response was how she'd have to "suck it up", odd considering he's always SO overly protective of her feelings. Now he's very keen for us to take them to Disneyland etc together, something he said no to before as to not rock the boat.

For me, this is a massive red flag. I feel he is spending my money before it's even landed in the net. He's only mentioned living together once last Christmas, when we had a particularly tough time due to his ex, then it was never mentioned again, and dodged if I'm honest. Now, he wants me to start contacting landlords and seeing how much can be saved for a mortgage in the future.

All of this has come really out of the blue. He will still earn more than me, even with the promotion. The cars and things he wants me to go shares on will take up so much of my promotion money, that things I wanted to do for my children will probably not happen. I already feel pressured into providing a lifestyle he wants however, I'm quite happy with the life myself and my boys have, but with some added savings and nice things for them. With all the things he wants from it, all we'd really have is higher bills to pay and bigger everything.

I was really looking forward to giving my children extra days out, not stressing about bills, having some odd little treats for myself. I often pay when me and DP go out, so he doesn't go without from me, and he never pays if he comes out with myself and my children, I always foot the bill. I always buy drinks etc when I go out with his children too, his children are quite comfortable with me paying for drinks for them, or the odd meal, activity etc, so feel I already contribute in some way with his family.

Am I wrong for really not wanting to move in together, and be told what my money is to be spent on?

OP posts:
CandyLeBonBon · 19/11/2023 20:54

Absolutely do not ever move in with this man.

Trust your instincts

Isitorisntitxoxo · 25/11/2023 13:47

Sorry for the late response. Once again thank you to all that took the time to comment.

It was my birthday recently, a time I don't enjoy due to a traumatic event many years ago. It's a time I don't celebrate, as it brings back many unwanted feelings. He stated he wanted to change my attitude and do some bug gesture for it, I stated repeatedly I wasn't comfortable and it's a really anxious time for me, but he continued to pressure on.

I eventually agreed to do something after days of badgering me, stating I'd be happy to start with maybe tea out and a couple of drinks. 20 minutes later he rang back to cancel said plans, as it was his friends birthday weekend and he'd already made plans with them but forgot. I explained he'd really stressed me out about the whole situation, he then became very defensive and abusive.

By the end of the call, it was all my fault and he shouldn't have to change plans he's made, despite pushing me into doing something I didn't want to do. I have called time on this, and have blocked him on all means of communication. Onwards and upwards from here.

Thank you.

OP posts:
Epidote · 25/11/2023 13:52

You have different things going on.
Regarding the money don't give him a penny.

Regarding his relationship with his exes that is up to him as soon as he respects you and it seems he is not doing it.

You have done it very well on your own to this far. Why on earth will you want a man child in your life?

As some posters say more red flags than in a Communist party parade.

something2say · 25/11/2023 14:02

Ah I'm really sorry to hear all that - all that ball ache for something he went and cancelled anyway!! Totally unnecessary and thoughtless, and hurtful to you and he didn't even see it.

He has shown himself to be selfish and you can do better, find a man that sees you.

And now you don't even have to worry about the spending either.

I had a dodgy spender. Made me very anxious, thinking of joining up with him. Thankfully I didn't. Now neither are you - enjoy your peaceful weekend.

Isheabastard · 25/11/2023 14:08

I think you are completely right to not want to live together, it sounds as it it would be entirely to your disadvantage. Don’t let him pressure you.

Only you know how you feel about him not paying his way for days out, treats, etc, but it does sound as if he is using you as his personal piggy bank.

Perhaps when you have the conversation about not living together, you could also reset the rules of who pays what for their own children.

You could use the opportunity of your pay rise to tell him you have a good think about your finances and have decided to start a savings account for your kids/start a pension/saving for a mortgage etc. Anything to justify that your spending on him and his children is stopping or reducing. It may be that you would be better off going back to 50/50 for all dates and treats.

Of course you could just tell him the piggy bank is now closed, but if he’s happy to leach off you, that may not go well. If he subsequently sees you treating your children, then you can tell him that’s just the money you’ve saved not paying out for his children.

He is effectively a single man on £40k with one child to pay partly with the mum. On paper he must be much more financially better off than you.

Congratulations as well.

LifeExperience · 25/11/2023 14:41

He's a freeloader looking for more. The fact that he earns more than you but borrows money from you is a huge red flag. That would be a dealbreaker for me.

friendsfiend · 25/11/2023 14:51

Isitorisntitxoxo · 25/11/2023 13:47

Sorry for the late response. Once again thank you to all that took the time to comment.

It was my birthday recently, a time I don't enjoy due to a traumatic event many years ago. It's a time I don't celebrate, as it brings back many unwanted feelings. He stated he wanted to change my attitude and do some bug gesture for it, I stated repeatedly I wasn't comfortable and it's a really anxious time for me, but he continued to pressure on.

I eventually agreed to do something after days of badgering me, stating I'd be happy to start with maybe tea out and a couple of drinks. 20 minutes later he rang back to cancel said plans, as it was his friends birthday weekend and he'd already made plans with them but forgot. I explained he'd really stressed me out about the whole situation, he then became very defensive and abusive.

By the end of the call, it was all my fault and he shouldn't have to change plans he's made, despite pushing me into doing something I didn't want to do. I have called time on this, and have blocked him on all means of communication. Onwards and upwards from here.

Thank you.

What you've just described are not the actions of a good man, they are cruel and manipulative.

You're doing the right thing by not living with him but you really should end this. He is not on your side because no-one who really cared would behave like that.

betterangels · 25/11/2023 14:58

friendsfiend · 25/11/2023 14:51

What you've just described are not the actions of a good man, they are cruel and manipulative.

You're doing the right thing by not living with him but you really should end this. He is not on your side because no-one who really cared would behave like that.

Sounds like she did end it, rightly so.

friendsfiend · 25/11/2023 16:59

@betterangels completely misread the post I quoted! Thanks. 😄

LeggyLegsEleven · 26/11/2023 12:56

He showed his true self in the end then. Try and be thankful you didn’t move in together and enjoy your promotion money!

jeaux90 · 26/11/2023 13:33

Lone parent here too OP. Sounds like you dodged a bullet.

Honestly I'd focus on saving, getting a property for yourself as I can see you are renting. Took me ages but I got there in the end.

You sound like a brilliant mum, congratulations on the job!

LaurieStrode · 26/11/2023 15:01

Cloverforever · 19/11/2023 10:27

Why do you think his wishes are more important than yours? You've said you'd be happy to live separately, so why are you even considering this?

He earns more than you do. He''s a liability, don't forget that.

This.

It's your life. You are not accountable to anyone else.

I wouldn't let this moocher over the threshold.

Isitorisntitxoxo · 26/11/2023 15:32

@LaurieStrode please see update. Also, he has never once been to my home in the time we have been together.

Once again, thanks for all the helpful comments. Wishing you all a happy remainder of 2023.

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billy1966 · 26/11/2023 17:05

I am sorry that you had to experience this loser users abusive behaviour, but I am so glad that he dropped his mask.
Your posts were and anxious read!

He absolutely has and wanted to increase his taking advantage of you, particularly financially.

Moving in with these wasters offers nothing to a self sufficient woman like yourself, or your children.

All it means is greater mess, more laudry, shopping and food prep.

It involves huge compromise for you and your children whilst it is costing you financially.

This is a real blessing.

As a single parent, no relationship should cost you ANY money.

So many red flags.

Please do the www.freedomprogramme.co.uk so this doesn't happen again.

Huge congratulations on your promotion and well done for losing this waster at the same time.

Happy birthday too. Best wishes to you for the coming years.

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GreekDogRescue · 26/11/2023 19:23

Cocklodger alert 🚨

TruthThatsHardAsSteel · 26/11/2023 19:40

MichelleScarn · 19/11/2023 09:55

Well done on promotion @Isitorisntitxoxo there's a rather good song that I feel offers good advice.
"Run for the hills.... Run for your financial life"!!

Love an unexpected Maiden reference 😁

Maray1967 · 26/11/2023 19:43

Me too!

Op, it was an anxious read for me too. I’m glad you’ve decided to end this - he had his eyes on your money and he wanted to set up everything in favour of him and his DC. You’re well rid of him.

QueenBitch666 · 27/11/2023 00:11

He's leeching off you. I'd get rid

NoMoreCapsLock · 27/11/2023 00:40

Whether I was male or female, I wouldn't want a partner who was bad with money.

NutellaNut · 27/11/2023 07:35

Just read your updates…Well done for getting rid, OP.

Mum2Fergus · 27/11/2023 10:06

Do not move in with him and stop paying for anything other than for you and your DC...they (and you) are your priorities here. He needs to learn to be an adult.

Valeriekat · 27/11/2023 10:12

Aprilx · 19/11/2023 10:37

I will go against the grain here as I think you are reading too much into you getting a few grand a year pay rise. It is only going to be an extra couple of hundred pounds a week, if he was thinking of gold digging, I am sure there would be better targets out there.

I don’t understand why you are calling him a partner when you are not partners in any way and by the sound of it, you don’t want to be either. As I say, I think you are being a bit ridiculous to equate his recent actions with a fairly modest payrise, but it also just doesn’t sound like a good relationship and I honestly don’t know why you are bothering with him at all.

Or will you go against the flow?

Weenurse · 27/11/2023 10:29

Well done, congratulations and happy birthday.

forrestgreen · 27/11/2023 10:31

Wow, I'm really glad you had the strength to finish this as he was always going to nag for your money as you rightly said, he was incompetent with his.

Have an amazing Christmas together with your dc

Ihadenough22 · 27/11/2023 11:32

I was glad to see that you ended things with him. He is older than you and earns more money than you yet he was quite happy to ask you for money. When he heard that you were getting a job promotion he was expecting you to move in together and was planning how he could spend your money. He already has children with 2 different woman and he expected your children to share a room so his kids had their own room.

I know a lady who is living with a man and he already had 2 children with another woman.
His last relationship broke up. He met her later. They have a young child together. She had to go back to work soon after having this child due to money reasons. Along with this at times she has had to say to her partner and his ex that certain things don't suit her. She has also said on more than one occasion that her child is going to or not missing things because his older children have things on at the same time. Blending families is not easy.

In your case you worked hard and got your promotion. Use some of your pay raise towards your pension and put some aside for when your kids get older. Then have the odd day out, extra treat or say a holiday abroad every two years.

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