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To not want to live together?

75 replies

Isitorisntitxoxo · 19/11/2023 09:40

I've been in a rather unsettled relationship for almost two years. Mostly because my partner's ex has been allowed to cause mayhem. We've just about come out the other side.

I recently got a promotion in work. This will give me an extra couple of thousand pounds pay rise a year. Personally, I'm a single mum of two, receive no maintenance and have worked hard for this. I'm really pleased and looking forward to the money going towards nice things, as opposed to bills bills bills!

My partner has three children, he is 8 years old than me, so he has two adult children and a younger one by a more recent ex. He pays a large sum of maintenance for the youngest one and often spends large sums of money on his two adult children. They're both in their early twenties and still like to stay with their dad.

Currently, my outgoing are higher than DP, due to being sole provider for two children, one is a teen and the other is nine. Also, my rent is higher. Partner is on nearly £40,000 a year, but is so poor with handling money that after a couple of weeks or so, he needs money for shopping or fuel. I have kept this to a minimum, 1. to avoid being a regular go to pocket for money (something I was burned with in the past), and 2. Because I simply can't afford to help a grown man earning more than I do.

Since I've had this promotion, (please note that it hasn't started yet), he has made several references to moving in together. He has discussed buying a bigger, newer family car, looking for a bigger house stating that the younger two can share but if we get a three bed, that can be a room for teenagers for when his adult kids want to sleep, meaning my eldest son won't really have a room himself. He wants to book a big family holiday for us and all kids. He's looking for meals out for Christmas dinner in fancy restaurants, that will literally cost us hundreds to pay for all seven of us.

His ex goes crazy if I spend any time with their LO, something he is always considerateoff to at my expense, meaning myself and my youngest son usually get knocked on the head if he's had a rough pick up with her, so I stated she'd go crazy if we lived together. His response was how she'd have to "suck it up", odd considering he's always SO overly protective of her feelings. Now he's very keen for us to take them to Disneyland etc together, something he said no to before as to not rock the boat.

For me, this is a massive red flag. I feel he is spending my money before it's even landed in the net. He's only mentioned living together once last Christmas, when we had a particularly tough time due to his ex, then it was never mentioned again, and dodged if I'm honest. Now, he wants me to start contacting landlords and seeing how much can be saved for a mortgage in the future.

All of this has come really out of the blue. He will still earn more than me, even with the promotion. The cars and things he wants me to go shares on will take up so much of my promotion money, that things I wanted to do for my children will probably not happen. I already feel pressured into providing a lifestyle he wants however, I'm quite happy with the life myself and my boys have, but with some added savings and nice things for them. With all the things he wants from it, all we'd really have is higher bills to pay and bigger everything.

I was really looking forward to giving my children extra days out, not stressing about bills, having some odd little treats for myself. I often pay when me and DP go out, so he doesn't go without from me, and he never pays if he comes out with myself and my children, I always foot the bill. I always buy drinks etc when I go out with his children too, his children are quite comfortable with me paying for drinks for them, or the odd meal, activity etc, so feel I already contribute in some way with his family.

Am I wrong for really not wanting to move in together, and be told what my money is to be spent on?

OP posts:
frazzledasarock · 19/11/2023 10:45

if you’re comfortably off now. Do not rock the boat by merging lives and finances. You’ll have the devils own job trying to extricate yourself from him.

as for when you go out only pay for yourself and your kids he can pay for himself and his kids. He will soon decide on more affordable options that way.

i don’t think he’ll stay around too long though, he sounds like he’s looking for a meal ticket.

Back21970 · 19/11/2023 10:48

Don’t move in with.

Obviously there are things you enjoy about your current set up or you wouldn’t be with him so keep it as that and live separately.

If it’s a deal breaker for him then I would end the relationship - don’t be pressured into doing things against your better judgement.

You are 100% not being unreasonable!

Dery · 19/11/2023 10:50

You say he’s lovely but asking you for money and planning how to spend your money is not lovely behaviour. He sounds financially irresponsible. I suspect he’s superficially nice and charming, perhaps very affectionate, but being bad with money and expecting you to sub him - those are bad signs.

howshouldibehave · 19/11/2023 10:57

It is only going to be an extra couple of hundred pounds a week

I must be calculating pay rises differently?! A couple of grand pay rise a year (£2000? Maybe £3000), isn’t going to be an extra couple of hundred pounds a week, is it?

LeggyLegsEleven · 19/11/2023 11:09

Regardless of the money thing (and he does look like he is trying to spend it, big car?).
This all sounds like it would negatively impact your children, so on that basis it should be a very hard no.
Id just tell him you don’t want your children sharing and you can’t afford somewhere big enough between you so it’s not going to happen anytime soon. You don’t need a 3 bed, you need a 5 bed to accommodate everyone. So best to stay separate.
Also how much more work would you have to do for him/his children if he moved in. I imagine if he isn’t organised with money he isn’t organised around the house either. Do you really want to take all that on, 3 more children and another adult. Nope.

I have a friend who has moved in recently with LTB they both have children. They have waited until oldest ones have left and it didn’t have a negative impact on her younger ones. 8 years they waited and bought somewhere new so it was all evenly split.

Opentooffers · 19/11/2023 11:10

Don't give information about your financial improvements in future. It's none of his business really as you don't live together, so if you hadn't mentioned it, you wouldn't have the pressure now. Expect at the very least for him to be more frequently asking for fuel money, because you have now given him the knowledge that you can afford to fund him more. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should, and you never should of. The first time, you should of made it clear it was a one off so he knew not to come asking for more. In effect you are funding his DC, which is his responsibility, not yours.
Pay for yourself and your family only when you go out, he pays for himself or doesn't come if he can't afford to, its that simple. Have a family Xmas dine in instead of that.
The way to find out if he's with you for what you provide, or actually loves you, is to stop funding him and see if he sticks around. Living together would only make some sense if renting a 4 bed would be cheaper than the monthly cost of the rent on both your places currently. Given you both spend what you earn, and if there is ever spare he has big spend plans, its unrealistic that you will ever be in a position to buy with him. If he's borrowing off you, he has no savings at all.

LeRougeEtLeNoir · 19/11/2023 11:12

Has he even asked you what you wanted to do with your money??

Its all about him isn’t it?

2jacqi · 19/11/2023 11:12

@Isitorisntitxoxo how much will you be on per year OP? I would certainly be very wary of allowing him to move in if he is so bad with money! think this is the time to stop telling him all your information then nothing will be left to change. you will end up having to foot most of the bills when he is still spending large sums on his adult children. and you will be expected to pay for his new car I presume?

therealcookiemonster · 19/11/2023 11:13

of course he is lovely to you, you are his cash cow! and he will keep looking for ways to drain you off more and more of your cash. please leave

how can you respect someone who just leeches off you like that? I would massively get turned off

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/11/2023 11:14

I must be calculating pay rises differently?! A couple of grand pay rise a year (£2000? Maybe £3000), isn’t going to be an extra couple of hundred pounds a week, is it?

£200 a month after 20% tax on a pay rise of £ 3,000, according to my calculation.

Piggypiggyoinkoink · 19/11/2023 11:25

Ultimately, as a result of your hard work, you have got a promotion. It is down to you what to do with the additional money, nobody else.

Rather than coming up with counter arguments to his suggestions, you could be completely honest with him: I have always managed my budget according to my earnings, you do not. I have been financially abused previously. Until you show me that you can effectively manage your budget, I do not want to join finances with you. I will continue to manage my budget as I see fit.

Cloverforever · 19/11/2023 12:37

Piggypiggyoinkoink · 19/11/2023 11:25

Ultimately, as a result of your hard work, you have got a promotion. It is down to you what to do with the additional money, nobody else.

Rather than coming up with counter arguments to his suggestions, you could be completely honest with him: I have always managed my budget according to my earnings, you do not. I have been financially abused previously. Until you show me that you can effectively manage your budget, I do not want to join finances with you. I will continue to manage my budget as I see fit.

I suspect he would change his ways until he had moved in, and then revert to type.

Mamato29192 · 19/11/2023 12:43

Get rid. Congratulations on your promotion ❤️

Isitorisntitxoxo · 19/11/2023 13:09

Thank you to those of you who've left kind, helpful comments and constructive feedback. I have taken much of what many of you have said onboard.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Many thanks, once again.

OP posts:
PoppyOrange · 19/11/2023 13:12

Never ignore a red flag however ‘rose’ it may feel at the time.

Listen to your gut.

Paddleboarder · 19/11/2023 13:18

You sound as though you are happy as you are for now, and that means living apart. You do not have to live with someone - I do not know if I would want to live with a new partner because I like my own space in my own house. Maybe that will change, but I won't do it while my kids are still at home. Obviously that's just me, but you sound unconvinced, and that's a good enough reason.

Olika · 19/11/2023 13:34

No don't move together. He just wants to use your money.

Forgotmycoat · 19/11/2023 13:51

well done for shutting this nonsense down at the first instance. stay strong. also please stop bailing him out when he runs out of money. Has he paid you back for past loans?

Joy69 · 19/11/2023 14:08

Congratulations on your promotion 🎉 .
Why did he split up from his last partners? Only asking as he sounds very similar to my ex. His first wife was very bitter (or so I thought) Turns out he was useless with money & left her in debt. He is now my ex & is still in debt.depite earning a large salary.
I wouldn't move in together & if you do keep separate bank accounts & a close eye on the finances.

Xmaspenguin · 19/11/2023 14:19

Don't more in together. Don't even consider it.

I have only just separated from my husband this year and have already decided I will never live with another partner ever again. I have no desire to blend families either. If that means I am single forever more, then so be it. My children's financial future is worth more than any relationship.

Takenoprisoner · 19/11/2023 14:33

In your first post you say you pay for dp when you go out for lunch, and for his adult dc drinks. why on earth would you do this when you have also admitted to stressing about money for bills? This man earns more than you!!

Why are you doing this when you could be saving this for your dc or yourself? I will never understand women who do this. Just baffling.

Bananalanacake · 19/11/2023 20:07

I always say you can have a relationship without ever living together. I wouldn't have told him about your promotion, nothing to do with him. 2 years is way too soon anyway when there are DC involved. Put your foot down and say no living together until the youngest DC has moved out, if he loves you for you he will stick around, if he wants a woman to sponge off he'll be looking elsewhere.

lesdeluges · 19/11/2023 20:18

Twenty years later, rock solid partnership, but I will never live with anyone. There is nothing like having your own home, and being able to live exactly as you want, but still have a loving relationship. Luckily partner agrees and we jog along very well. I think if you are used to your own space and independence, it is quite hard to give that up, and resentment may form. But maybe I am the outlier.

If it's good enough for Camilla and Charles, it's good enough for us.

HomeTheatreSystem · 19/11/2023 20:40

OP he's very unlikely to change his ways regarding money and you don't need the hassle of his ex still creating a fuss about your contact with his youngest. Categorically do not move in together and stop subbing him financially! What kind of a man sponges off a single parent family to support his? I bet he has a lot of debt he's not disclosed to you. He might be a nice person but he also sounds like a potential nightmare.

JustKen · 19/11/2023 20:48

Oh god no. Keep your finances and living arrangements seperate. Stop giving him money as well. You are doing really well OP, good for you! If he gets funny then you know he's not after your love or commitment, he's after your cash, in which case, dump his arse.