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Should I put up with this?

37 replies

Viewsaremyown · 11/11/2023 23:48

I swing between thinking my partner of 18 years is a wonderful person capable of being awful, and an awful person capable of being wonderful. For years I thought the same thing about his family, who have made him so miserable at times, and now he’s repeating all their bad habits.

If we didn’t have two kids (4 and 6) I’d have been out of here so many times in the past few years. But for their sake, I want this to work. And he is also my best friend, who is capable of being the kindest, most fun, thoughtful person. But he has this other side and all this complicated baggage, which every time I convince myself it’s worth fighting for, shows itself and I want to run a fucking mile.

So, there’s the anger. He’s like living with a landmine. Constant confrontation (which was the house in which he grew up). And if it was ever over serious things I’d understand, but it’s the most incidental things that I say or do that get my head instantly bitten off. He’s never violent, but aggressive/angry/belligerent/bullish/incredibly rude. For me, these behaviours are not only deeply unattractive, but feel unhealthy, particularly when he can’t rein it in in front of the kids, or stop (he’ll make a point, and then make it 10 more times and go on and on and on until I snap, then it’s all my fault and I’m the angry one, etc). For context, I’ve locked the bathroom door and hidden under the duvet loads of time to avoid his rants.

I don’t think it’s healthy to be pleading several times a week “not in front of the kids”. I’ve tried talking outside of arguments about his behaviour in front of the kids, and he agrees, then does it again the very next day. It’s like he just has no control and doesn’t think of anyone else first.

So there’s that. Then there’s the control thing. In a nutshell, I struggle to change anything in the house, from throwing away incidental things like old newspapers that are gathering dust (“where’s my newspaper gone?”), to weeding the garden (“what are you weeding” along with instructions on what I should be doing) or moving house - will avoid conversations about anything future orientated (“not now I’m tired/busy/etc)” or gets angry if I try and open a conversation.

Oh, and there’s the hoarding. His family are all ludicrously untidy, as well as having deep emotional ties to ‘stuff’ which piles up (beyond collecting, think a lifetime of stuff with NOTHING thrown/sorted away). It’s caused years of stress having the in-laws house to deal with, and now I can see the same patterns re-emerging. I really don’t want my life to become like that - it never made any of them happy and it’s not fair on our kids. Any mention gets my head bitten off. I’ve tried everything to discuss this rationally but over the years I’ve lost patience and now I often get fed up with it all and criticise his family (I get that never goes down well with anyone).

I really want our family to stay together. He’s a great Dad besides the emotional lack of self control. I’d like to help him to get over some of these habits, but we’ve reached a point where we can’t communicate and everything ends in conflict. He blames me for nagging and undermining him, and sometimes I can’t tell anymore who’s to blame and he’ll never own his behaviour (I try and make a point of owning mine, but he can’t compromise) and everything always ends up as my fault/I’m damaged/insecure, etc.

Anyone else been through this?

Am I being unreasonable expecting him to change? Am I being unfair criticising his family when I don’t want miserable histories repeated?

OP posts:
gamerchick · 11/11/2023 23:55

really want our family to stay together

Cool. Where does it say you have to live together?

Cmarie74 · 11/11/2023 23:58

I'm living basically the same way, multiple kids too. He can be real nice and then the nastiest person I've ever met and I just want to run a million miles away from him.
You're not alone OP there's many of us going through this hell.

Orio2023 · 12/11/2023 00:00

Garden variety abuser.

Natty13 · 12/11/2023 00:04

I really want our family to stay together. He’s a great Dad besides the emotional lack of self control

Are you listening to yourself? He is the way he is because of what he was exposed to growing up. Now you're exposing your children to it...why? It is WELL KNOWN staying together "for the kids to have a whole family" is massively damaging to children when that whole family involves anger, outbursts, criticism of each other or otherwise unpredictable behaviour.

SusanKennedyshouldLTB · 12/11/2023 00:04

I really want our family to stay together. He’s a great Dad besides the emotional lack of self control

fucking hell.

he is a great dad apart from the emotional trauma he is causing his children.

get a grip, op. He isnt a great dad. You have serious issues for thinking he is. Your children deserve much better than this absolute shit show. Those poor poor kids are going to be seriously fucked up adults.

SusanKennedyshouldLTB · 12/11/2023 00:05

and also

PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE.

this is who he is.

this is who his family are.

this is who YOU chose.

Watchkeys · 12/11/2023 00:11

Which of your parents showed you, or the other parent, that love switches between nice and nasty?

You've learned, somewhere, that this is 'normal'.

Dotcheck · 12/11/2023 00:13

Orio2023 · 12/11/2023 00:00

Garden variety abuser.

Yep.

Why do you want your children to be subjected to this? Do you want them to be like him?

Crikeyalmighty · 12/11/2023 00:17

@Viewsaremyown hhmmm -i appear to have written this post without me knowing!!

identical situation- i don't have our son at home though anymore and we don't own a house or i would have possibly called time a few years ago (now 61)

i do care about my H a lot- but i hate living with him .

Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 10:21

Sorry to hear that. It’s so confusing isn’t it. In some way it would be so much easier if they were always awful, then the decision would be so much more clear cut.

OP posts:
Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 10:24

I definitely don’t think it’s normal, hence the post. You are right that his parents have normalised it though - along with the constant confrontation and insulting each other. What would be red lines for most people are just standard behaviour in his house. That’s why it’s so hard to get through to him that this is not healthy.

OP posts:
Motnight · 12/11/2023 10:25

Another "great dad" who is controlling and abusive.

Asformending · 12/11/2023 10:26

Orio2023 · 12/11/2023 00:00

Garden variety abuser.

@Orio2023

Please expand

greyhairnomore · 12/11/2023 10:41

You won't change him and if you stay you'll end up with angry damaged children who will carry it on into their relationships.

TangerineNeonLight · 12/11/2023 10:45

No abuser is awful 100% of the time.

He's doing to your kids what was done to him, perpetuating the cycle. A 'great dad' doesn't behave like he does, nor does a great partner.

He won't change.

NoraLuka · 12/11/2023 10:48

No you don’t have to put up with this.

If you split up you might be able to get back together one day if he takes a good look at himself - maybe if you think about it like that it would make it easier to leave?

ExH was like this (the living with a landmine not the hoarding) and leaving him was like being able to breathe again.

Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 10:51

Good point. I come from a family without a single divorce or separation and have literally no benchmark for how to live separately without fucking up my kids further. Plus we live in a daftly expensive area and not even sure he could afford to stay living here. But yes, I’m trying to figure out how that could work.

OP posts:
LoseMeLikeAnArrow · 12/11/2023 10:55

I know it's underhand, but have you considered filming his outbursts and showing him how awful he is when he is not having an episode? He is in complete denial that his behaviour is damaging. If he could see it objectively, and realise what he puts his children through as well as you, it might be the alert he needs to consider therapy for change. You are his emotional punchbag.

Georgie743 · 12/11/2023 11:04

You're describing the opposite of a great dad.

lifesabitchandthenyoudie · 12/11/2023 11:28

I understand, my ex was 'good' 'nice' etc; he also abused me because of his issues. I also understand him to a certain extent; it must be difficult having grown up in such a household...

BUT - he is not trying to resolve the issue, he isn't even accepting that his behaviour is wrong; if he can't see it, he should at least be listening to you and respecting your views. He's decided it's not a problem, he doesn't need therapy, therefore your views don't count. THIS is why you shouldn't put up with it, and why you need to put you and your children first; as pp have said, your children are now growing up with the same situation he did. Taking them out of that will not screw them up, it will give them a second chance at happiness.

It's not easy, no; I had no clue what to do, no friends or family. Women's Aid will give you the support and help you need. Good luck x

LearnFromMyMistakes · 12/11/2023 11:36

You are making a massive rod for your own back putting up with this awful behaviour.
Your children will likely have huge anger issues thanks to him then you,'ll be stuck with three angry controlling bullies, instead of one.
He sounds a complete nightmare, how on earth do you tolerate it?
Can't you see history repeating itself ?

ChristyBurlington · 12/11/2023 13:11

So you were with him for 12 years before having your first child and I assume witnessed these outbursts for over a decade and still decided to have children with him? And now you are subjecting your children to his abuse because you don't want to leave him? This has got nothing to do with your children and everything to do with you. Put the needs of your children before yourself and do the right thing.

Wibblywobblylikejelly · 12/11/2023 13:15

Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 10:51

Good point. I come from a family without a single divorce or separation and have literally no benchmark for how to live separately without fucking up my kids further. Plus we live in a daftly expensive area and not even sure he could afford to stay living here. But yes, I’m trying to figure out how that could work.

Can you afford to stay there?
Pay him out and afford the mortgage alone?

Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 20:51

If we sold our house then I’d be just about ok to manage another mortgage on my own. But it would be a stretch, and he’d definitely have no options round here. No idea how people manage in those situations.

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Pipsquiggle · 12/11/2023 21:38

On the hoarding alone, if he can't recognise it, it will ruin your life and your DCs.

My DH's family are hoarders, he said when he got to about 12 years old he stopped inviting his friends round as he was ashamed. How utterly heart breaking is that.

His DBs are both hoarders as well. Thankfully my DH isn't. I hate going to any of my DH's families homes - they are all shit tips. Please break this cycle now.

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