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Should I put up with this?

37 replies

Viewsaremyown · 11/11/2023 23:48

I swing between thinking my partner of 18 years is a wonderful person capable of being awful, and an awful person capable of being wonderful. For years I thought the same thing about his family, who have made him so miserable at times, and now he’s repeating all their bad habits.

If we didn’t have two kids (4 and 6) I’d have been out of here so many times in the past few years. But for their sake, I want this to work. And he is also my best friend, who is capable of being the kindest, most fun, thoughtful person. But he has this other side and all this complicated baggage, which every time I convince myself it’s worth fighting for, shows itself and I want to run a fucking mile.

So, there’s the anger. He’s like living with a landmine. Constant confrontation (which was the house in which he grew up). And if it was ever over serious things I’d understand, but it’s the most incidental things that I say or do that get my head instantly bitten off. He’s never violent, but aggressive/angry/belligerent/bullish/incredibly rude. For me, these behaviours are not only deeply unattractive, but feel unhealthy, particularly when he can’t rein it in in front of the kids, or stop (he’ll make a point, and then make it 10 more times and go on and on and on until I snap, then it’s all my fault and I’m the angry one, etc). For context, I’ve locked the bathroom door and hidden under the duvet loads of time to avoid his rants.

I don’t think it’s healthy to be pleading several times a week “not in front of the kids”. I’ve tried talking outside of arguments about his behaviour in front of the kids, and he agrees, then does it again the very next day. It’s like he just has no control and doesn’t think of anyone else first.

So there’s that. Then there’s the control thing. In a nutshell, I struggle to change anything in the house, from throwing away incidental things like old newspapers that are gathering dust (“where’s my newspaper gone?”), to weeding the garden (“what are you weeding” along with instructions on what I should be doing) or moving house - will avoid conversations about anything future orientated (“not now I’m tired/busy/etc)” or gets angry if I try and open a conversation.

Oh, and there’s the hoarding. His family are all ludicrously untidy, as well as having deep emotional ties to ‘stuff’ which piles up (beyond collecting, think a lifetime of stuff with NOTHING thrown/sorted away). It’s caused years of stress having the in-laws house to deal with, and now I can see the same patterns re-emerging. I really don’t want my life to become like that - it never made any of them happy and it’s not fair on our kids. Any mention gets my head bitten off. I’ve tried everything to discuss this rationally but over the years I’ve lost patience and now I often get fed up with it all and criticise his family (I get that never goes down well with anyone).

I really want our family to stay together. He’s a great Dad besides the emotional lack of self control. I’d like to help him to get over some of these habits, but we’ve reached a point where we can’t communicate and everything ends in conflict. He blames me for nagging and undermining him, and sometimes I can’t tell anymore who’s to blame and he’ll never own his behaviour (I try and make a point of owning mine, but he can’t compromise) and everything always ends up as my fault/I’m damaged/insecure, etc.

Anyone else been through this?

Am I being unreasonable expecting him to change? Am I being unfair criticising his family when I don’t want miserable histories repeated?

OP posts:
Wibblywobblylikejelly · 12/11/2023 22:07

Viewsaremyown · 12/11/2023 20:51

If we sold our house then I’d be just about ok to manage another mortgage on my own. But it would be a stretch, and he’d definitely have no options round here. No idea how people manage in those situations.

That's not your worry! Do it! Get rid of him! Don't waste the only childhood your children have because of some ideliastic idea of a perfect family.

Dery · 12/11/2023 23:35

@Viewsaremyown - we’re probably a bit too quick to anger sometimes in our house but it’s nothing like what you describe of his behaviour. His constant angry outbreaks - which are so bad you have to hide from him - will be damaging your DCs. They will be learning this is normal just as he did. He cannot possibly be a great dad when this is going on. It’s difficult from a practical perspective but please try to get your DCs away from this environment. Some years back one of our neighbours with DCs of a very similar age to yours left her perpetually angry husband. She had to downsize and move out of the area to somewhere more affordable but found it so much better than living with an explosive husband. Good luck, OP.

Illbefinejustbloodyfine · 12/11/2023 23:42

You've described my ex husband to a T. He won't change, it won't get better. Don't continue to expose your kids to this. I honestly don't kniw how or WHY I put up with it for so long, making excuses for him. It was only when I had DC that I realised I was NOT ok for them to grow up thinking his behaviour was normal.

AbbeyGailsParty · 12/11/2023 23:52

His behaviours sound deeply entrenched, I can’t see him changing. Begging every day for him not to explode /shout/ yell in front of the children is horrendous. Your dc will grow up thinking yes, that’s what a dad does, and a mum begs him to stop.
Hes making your life miserable, he’s damaging your children.
Loads of single parents manage, and manage well. I found life as a single mum far easier than when I was married. You can do it too.

Georgie743 · 13/11/2023 00:51

Being a single parent is a million times easier than attempting to coparent with someone who is providing an unsafe environment for the rest of the family. I understand it's hard to leave but you must. Your children can't grow up like this - none of you deserve this.

LaurieStrode · 13/11/2023 01:45

Keeping your children around a "landmine" is consciously and deliberately perpetrating abuse on them.

LaurieStrode · 13/11/2023 01:46

ChristyBurlington · 12/11/2023 13:11

So you were with him for 12 years before having your first child and I assume witnessed these outbursts for over a decade and still decided to have children with him? And now you are subjecting your children to his abuse because you don't want to leave him? This has got nothing to do with your children and everything to do with you. Put the needs of your children before yourself and do the right thing.

Exactly.

This is fucking infuriating.

RantyAnty · 13/11/2023 02:03

Of course you shouldn't put up with it

Your children will grow up to be angry abusers too.

Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2023 04:06

Good people don't tend to act like evil bastards. But Evil people pretend to be good all the fricken time.

RantyAnty · 13/11/2023 04:16

Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2023 04:06

Good people don't tend to act like evil bastards. But Evil people pretend to be good all the fricken time.

Brilliant way of putting it.

daisychain01 · 13/11/2023 04:18

Relationships are about compromise, people don't have to be identical in their tastes and habits, as long as you can meet in the middle. DH saves everything "in case it's useful in future", I can't stand keeping everything. We somehow reconcile these extremes.

The red mist descending is a thing - it's not uncommon for anyone to blow their top from time to time, but if it's uncontrollable, if it happens regularly and feels threatening, it isn't healthy and needs the person to accept that and seek help.

only you can decide how extreme your DP actually is, how frequently they get angry, how much it affects your DC and whether it's a problem to your own stability and MH that you can't live with it.

BOOTS52PollyPrissyPants · 13/11/2023 04:45

Please put your children first and separate as it is not fair for them to be witnessing this and they are probably already damaged from this emotionally already and walking on eggshells.

Talk to your parents/ family and explain the situation and be open about it and then you will be able to make changes and have some support and have it out in the open.

You children will grew up so anxious and will have so many issues when they are older if you stay with him. You cannot change him and he will not change and he also blames you for his issues.
This is abuse and you are putting your children through all this.
I cannot understand when people stay in abusive situations like this. I left when my baby was only a few weeks old as was not putting him through this and parenting is easier if it is in a peaceful home and a happy home.

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