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A-Hole In-laws!

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YesItsMe123 · 21/10/2023 23:32

AIBU to expect acknowledgement from in-laws in this situation. I'll try to make this long story as short as possible. Thanks in advance for reading.

I had my second baby 8 months ago and the birth coincided with my husband starting on anti-depressants (he's not 'depressed' as such, but a bit panicky when under pressure since youth - he says it's because he fears failure - and doctor thought these would be worth a try). Started out on higher dose than necessary and dose has since been halved and he's now doing well. He was on the higher dose when I had the baby. Baby was a month early and arrived under very stressful circumstances. He was very slow to grow and I was very concerned about him - I was struggling to breastfeed (I breastfed my first son until he was two and only stopped midway through this pregnancy). It was an immensely difficult, stressful and emotional time. It almost broke me! My husband was regularly falling asleep while holding the baby and generally being less than responsible. This caused me a lot of distress and it meant that even when he would take over to let me get some rest, I couldn't relax or sleep because I was afraid of harm coming to baby or our toddler. When I expressed how distressed I was he told me that he was struggling to care about anything and was emotionally numb. I acknowledge that I may have been somewhat overprotective...but I think that's to be expected. Anyway, I reached the end of my tether when baby was about 10 weeks old and I asked him to leave the house. He seemed confused (wasn't getting it at all even though we discussed it about 20 times) and he went to his mother's house. It was a holiday, so a lot of his siblings were there. He spoke to them and they went in on me saying he had done nothing wrong and I was being really unreasonable (he was never held accountable for anything by his family in my opinion). There was his mother, sister and brother sticking their ore in, and his brother then drove him to his other brother's house (to keep the drama going IMO), and he and his wife joined in. Another sister (whom I've never liked tbh) joined in later by texting him telling him he has a heart of gold and not to let anyone tell him otherwise. Two other siblings stayed out of it completely, thankfully.

He arrived to our home the next day with a really bad attitude after taking to them for hours, and I responded by telling him I wanted him gone as I felt safer doing everything on my own. He took all his stuff (I didn't ask him to do this) and went back to his mother's. Again, they went in on me (to him) and just had a field day calling me any name that came to their heads...mostly things like coercive, controlling, abusive and manipulative.

I digress for a moment - We have had issues in the past with trust - he went away for a lads weekend and brought girls back to his hotel room, 'to continue having fun' - I believe nothing major happened, but I was disgusted. I went to my parent's house for the night (I had a toddler and was 6 months pregnant at this stage). I rang his sister to tell her what happened and that he was home alone, so she could check in on him - he was really down and regretful and I feared for him being alone. On this occasion she also badmouthed me to him, saying that I was 'just trying to make him feel like a bad person' - wtf?

Back to the most recent issue with baby - They encouraged him to leave me and were saying they would give him land to build on and he shouldn't try to fix it because it was toxic (these people know VERY LITTLE about our relationship as we see each other maybe 4/5 times a year at most (once a year for some of them). I've never had an argument with any of them and they've never addressed any issue that they have with me).

Anyway, he and I began to work towards resolution (although I wanted him gone because of the danger element and sheer frustration with him for not listening to me, I didn't actually want my marriage to end) and I told him his family's input was really unhelpful and would be the undoing of us. I made only one call to him during his time there, where I was really angry and shouting because I was mad at him for lapping up sympathy from his family when he knew the reality of what had been going on. His sister overheard this call and was shouting to him to hang up the phone on me. I asked to speak to her and he gave her the phone and she hung up on me.

After 2 days there, he moved back and we worked on it (that's when he told me the things they had said about me). He stayed in a mobile home on our property for the first week so that we could have distance but still work on things at a pace I was comfortable with. We have moved on now, baby is thriving and we're in a much better place.

I am really hurt by the things they said, because they are totally baseless. They have issues with another daughter-in-law aswell (the wife of the brother who drove him to his other brother's house to continue the bitchfest)...this has been the case for as long as I've been around, so I don't know what caused it. He seems to take his family's side over his wife's though.

This incident is now almost 6 months ago. My husband has been keeping his distance from them, but talked to his mother maybe weekly since. She has never even mentioned me but asks about the kids. Last week he addressed it with his mother and sister and asked if they had any intentions of trying to put things right. He said he told them I'm a reasonable woman and would be prepared to repair things, but they need to acknowledge the things they said about me. They said a strong no and told him he should move on with his life with me if he thinks they're so bad and his mother said that the next time he'd hear about her is when she is gone. They guilt-tripped him like crazy and took no accountability for their part. In this interaction they didn't give any defence for why they said all these things about me...you would think if they thought them to be true they would say...but I think they just went into 'lynch mob' mode at the time and threw out any insults they could think of. My husband said he told them at the time that these things weren't accurate but they wouldn't listen to him. No truth to any of what they said, in my opinion, but these accusations have caused me to really doubt myself at a time when I was already extremely vulnerable. I let it go twice before (one if which was the lads wkend and the other is less serious but a similar pattern - won't bore you with the details) when they came for me, and I sucked it up and moved on for my husband's sake. I'm not prepared to do that this time.

My husband is fully on my side. I feel like the biggest problem between us is that I expect my husband to act like a man and take responsibility for his actions, whereas they strongly object to this for some strange reason. I am definitely forthright, and not afraid to stand up for myself, but controlling, coercive and manipulative I am not.

AIBU for wanting at least an acknowledgement from them if not an apology. I know I won't get it anyway, but AIBU for wanting it? What would you do??

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financialcareerstuff · 22/10/2023 00:08

Yes sorry I think you are being unreasonable based on what you have said. If I read all this correctly then none of them did anything to you directly, other than the sister hanging up the phone, which if you were shouting is perfectly reasonable.

Whatever they did behind the scenes, was probably largely provoked by your husband's representation of things, and their natural loyalty to him. You only know about these things because he has told you.

Also, if they do believe you are abusive/ manipulative, then it's reasonable for them to say so? Yes, there may be an element of tribalism, but there often is.

I'm also not clear why you had to throw him out of the house? Maybe not leave him alone with the baby, but unless he was doing things you haven't shared, I'm not clear why he would be a threat to the baby by being in the house.... nor why you needed to be yelling at him on the phone, if the main thing he'd done is have a mental health and medication problem.m, resulting in sleepiness and numbness? I can understand why that wouldn't be viewed positively by his family.

YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 00:19

Thanks for your response. I'm not sure if you read the bit about being under immense pressure with a new baby that wasn't doing so well; but with the side effects of my husband's medication at best rendering him unable to help in any way, and at worst making him a danger, then I felt the best option was to ask him to leave because I was at my absolute limit in terms of stress and emotional and physical exhaustion.

And by your logic it's fair for anyone to say anything about anyone, even if it's completely baseless. I take on board your opinion. It's not one I agree with but this is why I posted was to hear what people thought, so thanks.

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MMmomDD · 22/10/2023 01:44

OP - both you and your H were in difficult place back then. You were exhausted and anxious with a baby. He was unwell and on strong meds.
Things spiralled out of control and no one behaved well.

Just because was understandable why you behaved/did/said things you did to him at the time - doesn’t make them reasonable.
He - showed up at his family - unwell and hurting and they supported him. Clearly they were angry at you.
And seems you don’t have a good relationship with them to start with. You don’t like them. Probably not a secret to them.

Now your choice is - do you continue with this drama? Seems like you’d prefer to use it to make sure your H picks you and pushes away his family.

You can of course do that. Only person who loses is your H. But it’a his own fault as he seems to have a drama-prone family and he picked a drama-seeking partner.

The accountability you seem to be seeking - is one sided. You are not at all seeing your role or anything unreasonable in what you did. But you played a role, and you stirred up more drama than needed.

Being post-partum and tired - doesn't excuse all.

So - you ask what others would do?
I’d written off as a unfortunate incident due to early baby exhaustion. And try to not isolate and manipulate my H by making him chose me and push his family away.
You don’t have to like them. But your kids will have uncles/aunt/cousins/GP. It’s not all about you and your feelings anymore.

Tinkerbyebye · 22/10/2023 01:48

I agree that all they were doing is supporting your husband based on the information he provided. Instinct is to protect your family member, agree with him, he may well have indicated some of those thoughts himself and not told you

put yourself in your husbands shoes, he was ill on medication, his wife tells him to go as he’s not pulling his weight, he talks to his family, if that was you what would you expect your family to do? Any normal person would expect them to support them, agree with them etc

he has told you his version of what was said, there’s three sides to the story, his, the family member and the truth which is normally something in the middle

none of this was said to you, you have it from your husband second hand

you need to find a way to let it go, if that means you dont want contact with them ever again then that’s your choice but insisting on an apology isn’t going to happen

so decide what you want to do and move forward

junbean · 22/10/2023 03:39

Your expectations of his family are ridiculously too high. They don't care about you at all. Why would they do anything for you? They are toxic! I don't believe they care about your DH either. It's just drama for them which they obviously thrive on. You need to set your boundaries really high and stay clear. Focus on you and your family. You've been through a tough time (I had a similar experience with my now 16mo) and issues with DH, that's a lot. Physically and mentally it's a lot. Focus on your little family unit and be happy. Forget them.

Lizzieregina · 22/10/2023 04:33

I appreciate that you were enduring a very difficult period when your LO was born, but your husband was also in crisis and over medicated. His behavior wasn’t a choice for him. My son was similarly over medicated for awhile and it was a nightmare and he couldn’t function. I wouldn’t have dreamed of throwing him out of his own home.

As far as the in-laws go, that’s just a lot of drama. You don’t have to like them or deal with them, and would be better off if you kept contact to a bare minimum. Let your DH navigate his own relationship with them.

Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 06:39

YABU. Your husband was on anti depressants and you are kicking him out of the house? You sound a nightmare, no wonder his family are angry.

Tourmalines · 22/10/2023 07:03

Well , you need to practice what you preach. You are calling them A hole in-laws. Ok for you to call them names then .
A bit hypocritical.

Totalwasteofpaper · 22/10/2023 07:41

Your husband is the arsehole. Hth.

ZekeZeke · 22/10/2023 07:47

His family supported him when you kicked him out, depressed and over medicated.
They bad mouthed you and he like an asshole) carried these stories back to you when he should have kept his mouth shut.

Sounds like you live near in laws and they know too much information about your lives
In order for your marriage to work he needs to stop carrying stories, move a distance away and focus on his wife and kids.

PS no excuse for the *lads weekend taking women back to his room, no excuse at all and I would get an STI).

Outwiththenorm · 22/10/2023 07:52

Your husband is not supporting you - why did he feel the need to report back to you all the vile things his family said? He is a manipulative shit stirrer or at best a self-pitying arse. He deals with his family from now on but I would assume he’s still stirring shit.

PantsOfDoom · 22/10/2023 07:56

i Have dealt with this sort of thing previously. I’d advise ..

Have rock bottom expectations of them. This way you can’t be disappointed. They can only pleasantly surprise you when they do something nice

Have minimal contact with them. The space between you will help. Draw closer to the family members not involved in the conflict or your sister in law also on receiving end. Can just be you and her in touch.

See the funny side of it. It might take a few years but joking with friends about their behaviours will help.

Ask DH not to tell you what they say about you. Stop caring or being interested. Stop asking for an apology. As long as DH is a strong partner and agrees they are wrong that’s all that matters

Jonti23 · 22/10/2023 08:03

I think you need to stop feeling anything about past events. Just switch it off.

Build your life anew.

Forget the bad episode. Focus on your kids not this drama from ages ago.

FloweryName · 22/10/2023 08:07

It sounds like your expectations of them are unreasonable. If my son/brother was thrown out of his own home by his partner because of the side effects of the medication advised by his doctor, I’d have a lot of shitty things to say about her too. They are just being supportive to their family member.

The real problem here is that your partner thinks it’s ok to cheat on you.

MamaToABeautifulBoy · 22/10/2023 08:12

Wow, so much toxic drama.

Look, it’s v hard for anyone on MN to give objective advice as we only have your side of the story and your assurances that you’re not any of the things your DH’s family say you are.

You’ve posted here for reassurance that you’re right but from what you’ve said, you are hardly covered in glory. To be entirely frank, I can see why your DH’s family felt protective over him, he was unwell and vulnerable and you threw him out. You had your reasons but they clearly disagreed. That’s their prerogative. I can see why they refuse to apologise to you.

You all sound like a bunch of utter drama queens that need their heads banging together.

Be the bigger person. Life will be so much calmer.

Daffodilwoman · 22/10/2023 08:12

What type of a household was your dh raised in?
Did his father get up in the night to care for him and his siblings? Did his father get in from work and put a load of washing in? Cook dinner? Wash up? Read his children bedtime time stories, bath them put them to bed?
Or did he leave it all to his wife- your dh’s mother?
Your dh will be the same. There is your answer.
Of course his family are going to agree with him. He is telling his side of the story and they have been raised in this misogynistic environment.
You have a very low bar, accepting this crap from your dh plus his shagging around with other women.
Forget about his family. Concentrate on what you want from your dh. Anxiety and depression are no excuse for not doing childcare.

iamwhatiam23 · 22/10/2023 08:28

They clearly don't like you ( and tbh I don't think I would be to fond of somebody who has done the things you have). However your husband is clearly shit stirring by playing the victim to them and then when they are supporting him he's coming back to you telling you exactly what has been said! He is the problem not them! They are only doing what is natural to them! He's playing you off against each other! You also do sound controlling op!

Hibiscrubbed · 22/10/2023 08:38

Why are you so sure your husband didn’t cheat on you with the girls he brought back to his hotel room?

His enormous family sound overbearing, emotionally unhealthy, enmeshed, bullying and frankly, vile. They will always side with each other, overlooking shit behaviour and vilifying anyone who’s married in.

Your H, has he sorted out his piss-poor parenting yet? Or are you still doing it all, just with an easier-aged baby?

YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 08:50

I've learned a lot from all this.

Firstly, this blind support that family have for one another is something I'm not familiar with. My family support one another...but we hold each other accountable too. It seems that's less common than I realised.

It was probably a mistake to ask my husband to leave...however, it's still difficult to figure out what else I could have done considering his presence would have led to a mental breakdown. I needed to focus on my babies. They needed me more than he did at that time. I simply didn't have it in me to compensate for him not taking responsibility for speaking to his doctor regarding the side effects of the meds, so that he could turn up for his wife and family when they needed him most. He wasn't depressed. Anti-depressants are used for anxiety too and his was mild. I know this because I suffered from severe anxiety myself a few years back and his experience didn't even touch the sides (He would 100% agree with this).

It seems like a lot if people expect women to just suck up whatever their man-babies throw at them...but I'd rather ensure I'm ok for my actual babies.

His family were never going to like me...ever...they wouldn't have liked anyone he married. So unless I am prepared to pretend to be who they want me to be and molly-coddle my husband the way they do...then they're going to have nasty things to say about me...whether it be to my face or behind my back. Do I want our kids exposed to people like that? No thank you.

I appreciate people's advice to try to move on. I know this is best and I will keep trying.

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YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 08:52

iamwhatiam23 · 22/10/2023 08:28

They clearly don't like you ( and tbh I don't think I would be to fond of somebody who has done the things you have). However your husband is clearly shit stirring by playing the victim to them and then when they are supporting him he's coming back to you telling you exactly what has been said! He is the problem not them! They are only doing what is natural to them! He's playing you off against each other! You also do sound controlling op!

What is it that you think makes me sound controlling?

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whichwayisup · 22/10/2023 08:54

Sorry but you sound exhausting and so does his family. Is there anyone at all that has a calming influence on all this unnecessary drama. You all need to calm down. Maybe consider being less forthright and a little more considerate.

iamwhatiam23 · 22/10/2023 08:58

YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 08:50

I've learned a lot from all this.

Firstly, this blind support that family have for one another is something I'm not familiar with. My family support one another...but we hold each other accountable too. It seems that's less common than I realised.

It was probably a mistake to ask my husband to leave...however, it's still difficult to figure out what else I could have done considering his presence would have led to a mental breakdown. I needed to focus on my babies. They needed me more than he did at that time. I simply didn't have it in me to compensate for him not taking responsibility for speaking to his doctor regarding the side effects of the meds, so that he could turn up for his wife and family when they needed him most. He wasn't depressed. Anti-depressants are used for anxiety too and his was mild. I know this because I suffered from severe anxiety myself a few years back and his experience didn't even touch the sides (He would 100% agree with this).

It seems like a lot if people expect women to just suck up whatever their man-babies throw at them...but I'd rather ensure I'm ok for my actual babies.

His family were never going to like me...ever...they wouldn't have liked anyone he married. So unless I am prepared to pretend to be who they want me to be and molly-coddle my husband the way they do...then they're going to have nasty things to say about me...whether it be to my face or behind my back. Do I want our kids exposed to people like that? No thank you.

I appreciate people's advice to try to move on. I know this is best and I will keep trying.

Edited

It all seems to be about you and on your terms! He didn't just choose to be a useless dick, he was over medicated and unable to function normally! Your post very much comes across like everything in your relationship is on your terms! Maybe you were being hormonal and stressed and hard to live with but he didn't chuck you out of your home did he? Yet that's exactly what you did to him! However as i said before the problem is not the opinions of your in-laws it is the fact that your husband feels the need to shit stir by sharing them with you! It shows a lack of maturity and a need to play one side off against the other!

Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0 · 22/10/2023 09:04

Those poor children .

YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 09:12

iamwhatiam23 · 22/10/2023 08:58

It all seems to be about you and on your terms! He didn't just choose to be a useless dick, he was over medicated and unable to function normally! Your post very much comes across like everything in your relationship is on your terms! Maybe you were being hormonal and stressed and hard to live with but he didn't chuck you out of your home did he? Yet that's exactly what you did to him! However as i said before the problem is not the opinions of your in-laws it is the fact that your husband feels the need to shit stir by sharing them with you! It shows a lack of maturity and a need to play one side off against the other!

Such as what? What is on my terms? I'd find it more helpful if you were more specific.

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Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 10:00

OP is taking zero responsibility here. It's all on him and his family, where is your accountability?

You keep saying he was taking anti depressants but he wasn't depressed. Based on what? Are you a doctor?

You are coming across as really manipulative, and quite frankly nasty. Justifying all these behaviours because you have young children is not on.

If someone in my family was on medication and struggling and the DP kicked them out then I would be pissed off. I understand them blaming you for that.