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A-Hole In-laws!

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YesItsMe123 · 21/10/2023 23:32

AIBU to expect acknowledgement from in-laws in this situation. I'll try to make this long story as short as possible. Thanks in advance for reading.

I had my second baby 8 months ago and the birth coincided with my husband starting on anti-depressants (he's not 'depressed' as such, but a bit panicky when under pressure since youth - he says it's because he fears failure - and doctor thought these would be worth a try). Started out on higher dose than necessary and dose has since been halved and he's now doing well. He was on the higher dose when I had the baby. Baby was a month early and arrived under very stressful circumstances. He was very slow to grow and I was very concerned about him - I was struggling to breastfeed (I breastfed my first son until he was two and only stopped midway through this pregnancy). It was an immensely difficult, stressful and emotional time. It almost broke me! My husband was regularly falling asleep while holding the baby and generally being less than responsible. This caused me a lot of distress and it meant that even when he would take over to let me get some rest, I couldn't relax or sleep because I was afraid of harm coming to baby or our toddler. When I expressed how distressed I was he told me that he was struggling to care about anything and was emotionally numb. I acknowledge that I may have been somewhat overprotective...but I think that's to be expected. Anyway, I reached the end of my tether when baby was about 10 weeks old and I asked him to leave the house. He seemed confused (wasn't getting it at all even though we discussed it about 20 times) and he went to his mother's house. It was a holiday, so a lot of his siblings were there. He spoke to them and they went in on me saying he had done nothing wrong and I was being really unreasonable (he was never held accountable for anything by his family in my opinion). There was his mother, sister and brother sticking their ore in, and his brother then drove him to his other brother's house (to keep the drama going IMO), and he and his wife joined in. Another sister (whom I've never liked tbh) joined in later by texting him telling him he has a heart of gold and not to let anyone tell him otherwise. Two other siblings stayed out of it completely, thankfully.

He arrived to our home the next day with a really bad attitude after taking to them for hours, and I responded by telling him I wanted him gone as I felt safer doing everything on my own. He took all his stuff (I didn't ask him to do this) and went back to his mother's. Again, they went in on me (to him) and just had a field day calling me any name that came to their heads...mostly things like coercive, controlling, abusive and manipulative.

I digress for a moment - We have had issues in the past with trust - he went away for a lads weekend and brought girls back to his hotel room, 'to continue having fun' - I believe nothing major happened, but I was disgusted. I went to my parent's house for the night (I had a toddler and was 6 months pregnant at this stage). I rang his sister to tell her what happened and that he was home alone, so she could check in on him - he was really down and regretful and I feared for him being alone. On this occasion she also badmouthed me to him, saying that I was 'just trying to make him feel like a bad person' - wtf?

Back to the most recent issue with baby - They encouraged him to leave me and were saying they would give him land to build on and he shouldn't try to fix it because it was toxic (these people know VERY LITTLE about our relationship as we see each other maybe 4/5 times a year at most (once a year for some of them). I've never had an argument with any of them and they've never addressed any issue that they have with me).

Anyway, he and I began to work towards resolution (although I wanted him gone because of the danger element and sheer frustration with him for not listening to me, I didn't actually want my marriage to end) and I told him his family's input was really unhelpful and would be the undoing of us. I made only one call to him during his time there, where I was really angry and shouting because I was mad at him for lapping up sympathy from his family when he knew the reality of what had been going on. His sister overheard this call and was shouting to him to hang up the phone on me. I asked to speak to her and he gave her the phone and she hung up on me.

After 2 days there, he moved back and we worked on it (that's when he told me the things they had said about me). He stayed in a mobile home on our property for the first week so that we could have distance but still work on things at a pace I was comfortable with. We have moved on now, baby is thriving and we're in a much better place.

I am really hurt by the things they said, because they are totally baseless. They have issues with another daughter-in-law aswell (the wife of the brother who drove him to his other brother's house to continue the bitchfest)...this has been the case for as long as I've been around, so I don't know what caused it. He seems to take his family's side over his wife's though.

This incident is now almost 6 months ago. My husband has been keeping his distance from them, but talked to his mother maybe weekly since. She has never even mentioned me but asks about the kids. Last week he addressed it with his mother and sister and asked if they had any intentions of trying to put things right. He said he told them I'm a reasonable woman and would be prepared to repair things, but they need to acknowledge the things they said about me. They said a strong no and told him he should move on with his life with me if he thinks they're so bad and his mother said that the next time he'd hear about her is when she is gone. They guilt-tripped him like crazy and took no accountability for their part. In this interaction they didn't give any defence for why they said all these things about me...you would think if they thought them to be true they would say...but I think they just went into 'lynch mob' mode at the time and threw out any insults they could think of. My husband said he told them at the time that these things weren't accurate but they wouldn't listen to him. No truth to any of what they said, in my opinion, but these accusations have caused me to really doubt myself at a time when I was already extremely vulnerable. I let it go twice before (one if which was the lads wkend and the other is less serious but a similar pattern - won't bore you with the details) when they came for me, and I sucked it up and moved on for my husband's sake. I'm not prepared to do that this time.

My husband is fully on my side. I feel like the biggest problem between us is that I expect my husband to act like a man and take responsibility for his actions, whereas they strongly object to this for some strange reason. I am definitely forthright, and not afraid to stand up for myself, but controlling, coercive and manipulative I am not.

AIBU for wanting at least an acknowledgement from them if not an apology. I know I won't get it anyway, but AIBU for wanting it? What would you do??

OP posts:
Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 10:02

Hibiscrubbed · 22/10/2023 08:38

Why are you so sure your husband didn’t cheat on you with the girls he brought back to his hotel room?

His enormous family sound overbearing, emotionally unhealthy, enmeshed, bullying and frankly, vile. They will always side with each other, overlooking shit behaviour and vilifying anyone who’s married in.

Your H, has he sorted out his piss-poor parenting yet? Or are you still doing it all, just with an easier-aged baby?

Piss poor parenting? The guy was on anti depressants! He clearly has issues and is not functioning. Christ, don't ever work for the Samaritans.

YesItsMe123 · 22/10/2023 10:11

Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 10:00

OP is taking zero responsibility here. It's all on him and his family, where is your accountability?

You keep saying he was taking anti depressants but he wasn't depressed. Based on what? Are you a doctor?

You are coming across as really manipulative, and quite frankly nasty. Justifying all these behaviours because you have young children is not on.

If someone in my family was on medication and struggling and the DP kicked them out then I would be pissed off. I understand them blaming you for that.

Based on what the doctor said, and the fact that my husband doesnt feel in anyway depressed (according to him). Would you prefer if he was depressed so that you can make the point that I kicked him out when he was depressed??

Justifying asking my husband to leave because I needed to focus on my babies and not on him is not really 'all these behaviours' in my opinion. He's a grown man and I'm not his Mammy. He knew the meds were affecting his choices and how safe he was being with our children. He should've sorted it (which he eventually did, and now sees that some of his actions were reckless - as is a known side effect and which doesn't mix well with a premature, very vulnerable baby). I don't know what it is you think I am trying to manipulate? I don't need to understand your perspective though, it's fine.

I thanked you for your first response and I thank you again for this one. Try not to get too obsessed love!

OP posts:
Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 10:37

Lol obsessed, get over yourself darling. OP showing her true colours here.

It's everyone else's fault. Classic narcissism.

iamwhatiam23 · 22/10/2023 11:08

@YesItsMe123 with each post you come across as more entitled and narcissistic! You will not accept any responsibility at all in all this and seem determined to play the victim! Yes your husband has behaved badly but part of that was not his fault ( the shit stirring between you and his family is definitely his fault) but you have been very unsympathetic and selfish imo! I don't feel like his family have actually done anything wrong! They supported a family member who they feel was having a hard time and has been treated badly!

HumptyDDumpty · 22/10/2023 12:29

Guiltyfeethavegotnorhythm0 · 22/10/2023 09:04

Those poor children .

Is this comment supposed to be helpful? OP was looking out for her children and prioritizing them in a potentially dangerous situation. This comment reeks of sickening sanctimoniousness.

Hibiscrubbed · 22/10/2023 12:37

Tinklyheadtilt · 22/10/2023 10:37

Lol obsessed, get over yourself darling. OP showing her true colours here.

It's everyone else's fault. Classic narcissism.

I don’t think we’re reading the same thread.

Hibiscrubbed · 22/10/2023 12:38

I’m not seeing the OP as a narcissist. What are those two posters on??

Nanny0gg · 22/10/2023 12:44

@YesItsMe123 Have you thought of counselling? Individual to start with and then couples?

You both have a lot to unpick

Opentooffers · 22/10/2023 13:18

You were justified in chucking him out after he had women back to his room to continue 'fun'. I think you possibly had him back too soon though, maybe brushed under the carpet what happened because of other things going on, when really, it's fair to still be angry with him about it as it was an awful betrayal at a very vulnerable time for you.
The pattern seems to be that you muddle through and try your best when things get tough, whereas he folds under pressure and becomes no help. That must be frustrating for you, and lack of support creates sadness too.
How did you find out about the hotel room scenario? Did he tell you himself by any chance? A bit like he told you what his family were saying about you? If this is the case, then your DH is making dramas and prepetuatuating them, probably because he's a product of his upbringing- and been nurtured by drama llamas. If nothing that bad went on in the room, there was no need to say anything, and he should not have been spilling what his family said about you. He is causing hurt, he probably can't help himself. I think if you dream of a peaceful future with him, it's doubtful you will get it, because he might be so used to regular drama around him, that it feels wrong to be calm, so he feels the need to create some.
People get used to being in a high anxious state, to the point it can seem natural, so when it's not there, it's actually craved. I think he needs counselling, not just medicating.

PierceMorgansChin · 22/10/2023 13:38

You have thrown your husband out of your house while he was struggling on medication. You had no right to do that. His family is justified in their opinion of you and it will not change. You phoned him up and was shouting, proving again how unhinged you are. His sister showed you what they think of you by hanging up. You are seriously deluded if you think they will ever apologise, and even more deluded to think 'nothing happened' in a hotel room. Why not focus on your husband being a cheat instead of thinking about his family?

WhycantIkeepthisbloodyplantalive · 22/10/2023 13:57

I'm afraid to say that I agree you are being unreasonable here. Your husband was clearly having a horrific time (not insinuating you were not) and it sounds like instead of supporting him you were more concerned with your own issues (rightly or wrongly). His family offered him support when you were clearly not in a position to.

I think the reason they do not want to apologise is because they feel their assessment was accurate in their eyes and they probably feel like they are being manipulated into apologising to continue a relationship with their relative. You say your family don't offer blind support and but have you considered they may genuinely believe that you are those things. You removed him from your joint home, then continued to berate him at his lowest. He did not do the same to you, I can see why they are upset with you.

I personally would apologise for the delay sake of harmony but I suppose they have decided to be defensive instead of rational.

HowdidIgethereblownaway · 22/10/2023 18:00

She did not throw him out, she asked him to stay somewhere else, as she was barely coping with the two children and could not also watch him being irresponsible with their kids, and regulate that as well.
That is what I read in the post.

assignedferretatbirth · 22/10/2023 18:22

FloweryName · 22/10/2023 08:07

It sounds like your expectations of them are unreasonable. If my son/brother was thrown out of his own home by his partner because of the side effects of the medication advised by his doctor, I’d have a lot of shitty things to say about her too. They are just being supportive to their family member.

The real problem here is that your partner thinks it’s ok to cheat on you.

This.

You all sound pretty toxic tbh.

mikulkin · 23/10/2023 00:19

OP you are minimising your DH’s condition. He had side effects of medication which made his sleepy and non-functioning but somehow you wanted him to man up and function (sort out medication). The side effect means you have no energy even to pick up phone and talk to the doctor. You are not his Mammy but you are his DW and you refused to support him. I understand you were under immense pressure and chose to concentrate on your babies but you still should own up on not supporting him when he needed you. Yes, his family were harsh on judging you but what they saw was their son coming distressed, needing support and not getting it from his wife, so they vented. Plus he stayed there 2 days and you managed to call him then and shout. He should have never told you what they said about you but he did, his mistake. If you want their acknowledgment you should be prepared to acknowledge your behaviour too.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 23/10/2023 00:59

Do you want to be right or do you want to save your marraige?

As far as I can see, neither of you behaved well. If one of my brothers turned up on anti depressants, stressed, had been kicked out of his house and received an abusive phonecall I would support him too. It's human nature.

YesItsMe1234 · 23/10/2023 01:55

OP here - I deleted my account, but came back on to respond to some of these comments.

At the time, I was struggling myself and did not have the capacity to take care of my husband...even if I wanted to. My children and their safety took priority and would again, every time. That's what any good mother would do. People thinking I should have looked after my husband is of no consequence, when the reality was that I was not able to do so. It's interesting that people can understand my husband's limitations, but not mine.

As one poster pointed out, I didn't kick him out, I asked him to leave. A house with him in it was not the best place for my kids at that time, so I chose to ask him to leave and bear the burden of caring for the kids myself, in spite of being exhausted. It's not like he was ever going to be on the streets. I knew he had somewhere to go.

I asked the question if I was unreasonable to want acknowledgement for the names they called me which had no basis in reality. On reflection, I know what they said isn't true, my husband knows what they said isn't true, my family know what they said isn't true, so that's good enough for me.

It's true that I was seeking validation, but I also came on here because I am conscientious enough to want to hear from others if I am missing something. I can take constructive feedback, and I will take some helpful points on board (so thank you). However, I've realised a post on a thread doesn't give people a clear picture of such a complicated situation. I spoke to my husband again about it all though and showed him some of the responses I got here.

He has said that he is satisfied that, regardless of what happened in a highly emotionally charged incident, he approached his mum and sister in a way that opened the door to dialogue in an attempt at resolving things and they completely rejected this advance. So he has no interest in trying again. I'm not interested either...So it's all good and we can get on with our lives.

I think the people getting their knickers in a twist about me shouting at my husband during an argument need to get real. As if you high horsers have never shouted at your significant others during an argument. Hard to believe some of you are divorced, but apparently whispered softly to your significant others at all times. Get real!

Also, love how people throw around the word narcissist these days...I wonder if they even knew the meaning of the word before it became so 'on trend' - makes me lol!

Anyway, thanks very much...I've got my answer now as to what people think, and how varied the responses are, so any further comments aren't really necessary for my benefit (if the aim of the poster would be to actually give advice that is).

For all the trolls and angry-projecty people though...you fill your boots but I won't be reading them.

Gingercreams · 23/10/2023 04:31

Your husband is a weak reed. A man brings random women back to his hotel room with one thing in mind and you know what fun is a euphemism for. His family abused you because he didn't say my wife is at the end of her tether and quite reasonably is worried about me endangering the bay and toddler and can I stay for a bit to get my medication sorted out. I would find it very difficult to stay married to him knowing what his family is like and the fact that his loyalty seems to be to them rather than you and frankly they seem like a slavering pack. When you marry somebody you just don't take on him but you take on his family and friends as well.

whichwayisup · 23/10/2023 07:01

Wow, what a charmer OP... Can't believe you are experiencing any problems.

Bobtheamazinggingerdog · 23/10/2023 07:06

He wouldn't have been prescribed antidepressants if he didn't have symptoms of depression and they also wouldn't have made any difference if he didn't!

Tinklyheadtilt · 23/10/2023 09:34

OP deletes their account and then logs back on, blames everyone else and then attacks those who disagree with her. Definitely not a narcissist 😂

By the way, asking someone to leave the house is the same as kicking them out.

Jonti23 · 23/10/2023 11:28

It’s very likely that there is an unhealthy family dynamic in their nuclear family and then extended.

As I said before to move forward u have to stop replaying the same old film, just erase and move on.

YesItsMe1234 · 23/10/2023 12:58

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EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 23/10/2023 13:50

Nobody cares!!

Apart from you, apparently

MangoGuavaDelta · 23/10/2023 13:58

If your DH had hurt one of you in anyway your actions would have been justified. But your DH was just struggling with his mental health and then struggling with his medication. You said you have struggled with severe anxiety (I have too). How would you have felt if you had been kicked out then, in the way you kicked your husband out? Do you think your family would have rallied around you and been a bit hostile towards your DH? I can understand his family’s reaction.
I think you need to draw a line under it. None of you behaved well.

Everyonesmad · 23/10/2023 14:43

Most people on this thread clearly have a bizarre idea of normal family dynamics. Perhaps the OP was struggling with a new born and a toddler and it would have been nice if DH family offered support for the entire situation. Instead they have done nothing but bad mouth a new mother and offer no support. I for one would not want to be involved with a family who acted like this.

OP, nobody is perfect but putting your children first is the correct thing to do. Working on your marriage and keeping his family at arms length would be the best advice right now. Don’t entertain silly arguments until you have both resolved your issues.

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