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Hate my mil

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shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 01:27

I've never had a liking for my mil, she was a red flag from the start, before me and my husband even got married. We wanted a simple wedding but she did loads of drama then and basically said that if we didn't pick a fancy venue she wouldn't come. She wants luxury when she can't afford it.

She's a very cunning and sly woman, who knows how to play games and get things her way. She visited us recently, after we gave birth to our first child. She stayed with us for 2 months and made life hell for me. She would bitch about me to my husband, tell him I was not doing things right and need to keep the house in perfect order. I had just given birth and was recovering from a long labour as well as, having a rocky start with breastfeeding. She would observe every little thing I did, from the way I held a spoon to the way I ate and bathed my baby. She would ask me to hurry up and not be so slow. She would keep passing comments and interfere in everything. She overheard my conversations with my husband and interfered there too.

To make matters worse, she would come running into my room while I was breastfeeding and take my baby away if she heard her crying. I struggled to bond with my child and because of her constant interference and taunts, I started thinking I wasn't doing a job as a mom. She suggested I express for 2 days and feed my baby to see how much milk I produce and that's when things went downhill. My milk supply dropped because of the lack of skin to skin contact and me getting stressed out and nervous with this woman on my head all the time. I hated every minute I spent with her.

To make matters worse, she bitched about me to her friends, her other daughter-in-law who she adores because she comes from a rich family and talks very sweetly with her and other family members. We had some guests visiting and she put me down infront of them too.

She tries to walk all over me because she knows I'm weak. She's a bully and I've got bitter experiences from being bullied in school. My confidence and self esteem is at an all time low, I'm experiencing depression again. Thank goodness she's gone but she intends to come back in a few months (she lives in another country). I've had nightmares or me screaming at her and telling her to leave me alone. She has me traumatized, I absolutely despise her. She's an arrogant, egoistic person who thinks everything she does and knows is right. I find her sheer ignorance very frustrating and would not like her presence around me or my daughter. She has the audacity of telling a newborn 'your mother is dumb she knows nothing' or ' you're grandma's kid not your mom's '. I've had enough, I was quiet and putting up with her shit to avoid conflict but won't be doing so anymore. I need a way out.

She's very cunning and won't do it in front of my husband.

How would you address a woman like that and how would you ensure you child does not see/meet her often?

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BettyPhuckzer · 18/10/2023 06:21

This is down to your husband

If you tell him that MIL will not be staying at your home again becauae she manes you ill, and he says she must stay, then you take the baby and leave

Once MIL has gone, you can go back home

If you do this every time, your husband will learn

If he continues to treat you as though you come second to his Mum, you may have to end the marriage

user1492757084 · 18/10/2023 06:36

Agree to set limits.
Have you husband agree with you regarding how long and when his mother visits.
A once per month, for one day, visit - either you go to see her or she comes to you or you meet at a park.
Never allow her to stay again unless it is for fewer than three days, your husband is always present and she has her own room and can not enter your private rooms.
(Have an escape plan where you just take the child and go to a friend.)
Unless you wish to divorce, I can not see a sustainable future in completely cutting her out of your lives, given that your husband likes his mother.
You need to be on the same page as your husband. He has to be the one who speaks sternly and about boundaries to his mother.

He has to agree to stick up for you without you asking and you need to be able to retreat, with the baby, to a private area at any time.

shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 08:23

Thanks all, appreciate the suggestions. My husband won't see the side of his mom, I've tried so hard and failed. The mother plays such cunning games to show that she deeply cares about me when in fact she gives two boots about my existence. When I was going through an illness once and DH wasn't in town, she has come to stay over to pretend that she'd take care of me. She did the bare minimum but was never there in the evenings. She would be out with her friends and would come back at 12 at night. She'd be out the whole evening from about 4-5 to 12. I was all alone at home and eating dinner alone too. She would come back smelling of alcohol and cigarettes, and would lie to me that she got late due to traffic. It was always the same old poor excuse, I know you've been down the road in a pub around the corner.

She also did the same thing when she knew I was suffering from depression. She was never there for me for emotional support and in fact she created a ruckus when I refused to go to the other daughter-in-law's parents house for dinner, since they had invited us. I was not in the right frame of mind and had been hit hard mentally but all she could care about was how they would feel and how they'd talk about me now coming. What a disgraceful mil I've got, sadly enough.

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WishIWasSleeping · 18/10/2023 09:11

Can you set up internal home cameras that are motion activated (ring, too, for instance) then confront DH and her with her behaviour?

You do not have to let her into your house despite what your DH says. Practice saying no before she arrives again and say it to her. A lot. You can be polite and add a ‘thank you’ at the end or you can stick with a no. It'll be a long battle to stand up to her but you need to start somewhere.
You are the best parent for your child.

2jacqi · 18/10/2023 09:24

honestly dont know why anyone needs a mother or a mother in law to come and help them when they have had a baby anyway!!! tell her to leave and just go home to her own house. you need to get on with this yourself! so what if the house gets a little messy, you can catch up at your own pace in a couple of days! your other half need to grow a pair of balls and stand up for you because you are the one he has chosed to spend the rest of his life with, not her!

Coldinscotland · 18/10/2023 09:30

Maybe her next trip means a trip for you. Take yourself and dc off to visit your family...
Don't tell dh until you are packed and at the door....

WeeStyleIcon · 18/10/2023 09:39

My x mil tried to so this to me. I consider myself fair and never tried to cut her out of her grand children's lives, but she just would not / coukd not stop trying to manipulate and control and undermine. I feel sorry for her now.

I would advise using the sine a light n it technique.

Eg "I feel like you're suggesting you know better, is that your intention?".

If you need to diall up the light

"I feel like you contradict everything I say, is that your intention?".

If she says oh no no of course not, the smike sweetly ",I'm glad I was wrong"

If she argues back say "well that may be, but this is my decision/baby/life"
Or that may be so but we will agree to differ/we will agree to keep our criticisms unsaid

Good luck. My x was a bustard himself so it wasn't my mils fault we didn't work out. That was on him. But she lost out on a relationship with me/ her gc because we were all just pawns to move around a board to her.

Bluela18 · 18/10/2023 09:44

Sounds an awful situation to be in, what an awful woman, I know exactly what they are like. She is very toxic and will do, you , your child and your relationship a lot of damage if this is not addressed. It will continue. I completely understand the sly act and your husband thinking the sun shines our her butt. Sons of these MIL can be quite uninvolved or unsupportive. Any way he would say anything to her? Does she have to stay with you for months on end, why is this? You could either say sorry she can't come again after what you experienced with her the last time. Or say you appreciate her help but in no way will you tolerate and say what it is you won't tolerate. I'd get her in check first, for yours and your child's well being. If your husband supports you great, if not , then time to decide if he's worthy of being your husband. You have to do something, imagine living like this for years to come!!

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Very helpful - are you the MIL?

shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 11:56

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How dare you say that? Are you living my life? You know nothing but come in here to discredit my post! Please stay away if you can't help!

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Tempnamechng · 18/10/2023 12:07

I don't understand pp who always say your husband needs to deal with this. You aren't a Bennett sister. As a grown woman you don't need your dh to sort this for you. In my family it's the women who run things. The whole " The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world" thing. If you are in another woman's home you follow her rules. The men won't stand up to their mothers as they have been conditioned by then, but the daughter and daughter in laws certainly can. Nobody needs to be disrespectful, but you can and must demand respect in your own home.

Nosleepforthismum · 18/10/2023 12:23

You just need to get a lot more assertive around her and your husband. Embrace being a bit of a bitch. I’ve found giving jobs tend to help judgemental houseguests (or discourage them from staying too frequently) and just don’t even worry about her bitching about you being lazy because you forced her to make you a cup of tea in the morning. You just sit back and enjoy the tea.

BreakTheChain · 18/10/2023 12:54

I think you need to stand your ground but with your husband. Tell him that you cannot have her stay as it deeply effects your mental health. Tell him what she says and tell him that he might think she is joking but a joke should never hurt someone else. Tell him you need him to support you and to stand up for you in this. If he doesn't then tell her she is not welcome to stay. You don't tolerate bullying and don't need her negativity in your life then have a long hard think about whether you want to remain married

Prettypaisleyslippers · 18/10/2023 13:04

Record what she says? I have never given this advice before but the absolute cow deserves it. Play it to your Dh. Let him see how she really is and deal with it.

I wouldn’t have tolerated the first instance of her barging in on breastfeeding, stand your ground, set boundaries. Your bedroom is private

shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 13:34

Tempnamechng · 18/10/2023 12:07

I don't understand pp who always say your husband needs to deal with this. You aren't a Bennett sister. As a grown woman you don't need your dh to sort this for you. In my family it's the women who run things. The whole " The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world" thing. If you are in another woman's home you follow her rules. The men won't stand up to their mothers as they have been conditioned by then, but the daughter and daughter in laws certainly can. Nobody needs to be disrespectful, but you can and must demand respect in your own home.

Very well sais @Tempnamechng I must demand respect.

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shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 13:35

Prettypaisleyslippers · 18/10/2023 13:04

Record what she says? I have never given this advice before but the absolute cow deserves it. Play it to your Dh. Let him see how she really is and deal with it.

I wouldn’t have tolerated the first instance of her barging in on breastfeeding, stand your ground, set boundaries. Your bedroom is private

I won't be allowing her to interfere in my life ever again. I have thought of recording her too, need to do it discreetly next time.

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RenoDakota · 18/10/2023 13:36

Tempnamechng · 18/10/2023 12:07

I don't understand pp who always say your husband needs to deal with this. You aren't a Bennett sister. As a grown woman you don't need your dh to sort this for you. In my family it's the women who run things. The whole " The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world" thing. If you are in another woman's home you follow her rules. The men won't stand up to their mothers as they have been conditioned by then, but the daughter and daughter in laws certainly can. Nobody needs to be disrespectful, but you can and must demand respect in your own home.

Absolutely this.
There is too much shit written on here about how it is up to the man to deal with his mother, sister, son, etc, as if the woman shouldn't have her own voice in her own house.

shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 13:36

Nosleepforthismum · 18/10/2023 12:23

You just need to get a lot more assertive around her and your husband. Embrace being a bit of a bitch. I’ve found giving jobs tend to help judgemental houseguests (or discourage them from staying too frequently) and just don’t even worry about her bitching about you being lazy because you forced her to make you a cup of tea in the morning. You just sit back and enjoy the tea.

The thing is she's great with cooking and will do that even if I haven't asked her to. She would play these games where she'd be sweet to me infront of DH by sharing her toast or something she'd made like a dessert for example to show how much she cares.

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shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 13:40

Bluela18 · 18/10/2023 09:44

Sounds an awful situation to be in, what an awful woman, I know exactly what they are like. She is very toxic and will do, you , your child and your relationship a lot of damage if this is not addressed. It will continue. I completely understand the sly act and your husband thinking the sun shines our her butt. Sons of these MIL can be quite uninvolved or unsupportive. Any way he would say anything to her? Does she have to stay with you for months on end, why is this? You could either say sorry she can't come again after what you experienced with her the last time. Or say you appreciate her help but in no way will you tolerate and say what it is you won't tolerate. I'd get her in check first, for yours and your child's well being. If your husband supports you great, if not , then time to decide if he's worthy of being your husband. You have to do something, imagine living like this for years to come!!

That's the word @Bluela18 toxic is what she is 100% . She fake cries too in order to get sympathy and people on her side. Her son keeps getting concerned and asking her what happened mom and she'll be sitting in a corner wimping and pretending to be in deep pain when she's the one who's affected me in the first place. I didn't allow her to carry my baby one whole day so she kept taunting the next day for me and DH to hear. She kept going at it to make me feel bad but I didn't give a damn. I know her well by now. I've also realised the sweetest people from outside are the biggest snakes. Absolutely hate really sweet people, you can tell it's fake.

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Vallmo47 · 18/10/2023 13:42

Rather than focusing on your difficult relationship with your MIL when speaking with your husband, I’d focus on raising your mental health struggles and how overwhelmed you feel as it is. You are in no position to be hosting and unfortunately that’s the way it is- you would not be able to put up with anyone living with you, not your family, not your best friend and not his family either. End of story. If he prioritised his mums wants over your needs I’d seriously re evaluate the marriage.
I’m so sorry to hear how you’ve been treated, it’s absolutely disgusting. You are a good mum. ♥️

Willitstopraining · 18/10/2023 16:36

How do you know she’s been saying about you behind your back? If you’ve been told this by the people involved, I’d ask her to explain herself and about the comments made in front of your husband. That way she can’t wriggle out of it, and your husband has to deal with it there and then. If he doesn’t then you might have to say to him in front of her that’s it’s best if she doesn’t visit until she’s a bit more positive because you find the constant negativity quite toxic and not the best environment for a new baby. Do not ever speak to her alone, because if she’s as sly as you say it would be best to have a witness.

SallyNailVanish · 18/10/2023 17:40

Tell your husband if she turns up to stay, there will be no spare bed because you will have kicked him out into the spare room. He doesn't need to have witnessed how she treats you, he can witness the negative impact on you. Suggest she stays with the other DIL she likes.

shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 18:33

SallyNailVanish · 18/10/2023 17:40

Tell your husband if she turns up to stay, there will be no spare bed because you will have kicked him out into the spare room. He doesn't need to have witnessed how she treats you, he can witness the negative impact on you. Suggest she stays with the other DIL she likes.

So funny thing is I know the other DIL doesn't like her but because she's rich, she gets treated well. My MIL is a suck up to rich people, she lost all her assets in gambling and has nothing left, yet, life hasn't humbled her it seems. The other DIL won't stay with her, she never does she MIL seems ok with it. She showers praises on her despite her being lazy, not looking after the kids, leaving the nannies and the husband to do most of the work. Yet, MIL has no issues with that. She has issues with me being slow and not bathing my baby at the same speed she does, does she even realize I'm a first time mum not three times experienced as she is and a lot younger?

I must admit, I need to practise self love, the bullying in school really affected my self esteem and self confidence. I need to pick myself up and stop letting people see me as a weak person who gets walked all over.

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shininglight16 · 18/10/2023 18:35

Willitstopraining · 18/10/2023 16:36

How do you know she’s been saying about you behind your back? If you’ve been told this by the people involved, I’d ask her to explain herself and about the comments made in front of your husband. That way she can’t wriggle out of it, and your husband has to deal with it there and then. If he doesn’t then you might have to say to him in front of her that’s it’s best if she doesn’t visit until she’s a bit more positive because you find the constant negativity quite toxic and not the best environment for a new baby. Do not ever speak to her alone, because if she’s as sly as you say it would be best to have a witness.

I've heard her saying things, when she thought I was out. I've also caught her bitching about me to her other son and they stopped and went red when I entered the room. She's loud and dumb but she thinks she's smart and nobody can hear her.

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