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I need help as getting out of control

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seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 19:27

Before I give context, I want to say that I completely know that I am the problem and need help. Hence the post, as ultimately I need direction.

I suffer hugely with low self esteem and relationship anxiety.

I have been with my partner for 5 years. We live 1hr 30 mins apart, he has two children and I have one. We plan to buy a house together when all of our children have left school (two years left). This was instigated by me, as my child has SEN and felt it important to hold out.

In every relationship I have had anxiety, but with my current partner, he has been the first decent man I have been with. We don't argue, he is kind and understanding etc. He has never previously given me any reason to distrust him, and yet over the whole relationship, I have constantly looked for 'evidence' that he has been unfaithful.

In the early days when I'd tell him my worries, he'd never shut me down, but would reassure me. However, I was conscious that I'd sabotage the relationship in the end (past experiences with exes). So I have internalised my worries the past few years.

This leads me to detach emotionally from him sometimes I guess a protective mechanism? But whenever he asks me what's wrong, I will make up an excuse and then I force myself to bury my worries incase I push him away.

The latest obsessional worry is that he now takes his daughters to a marshal arts class that is directly opposite his exes house.

He once loved her, they were going to get married and she broke it off. He has never spoken badly of her, but equally never mentioned anything unless I asked.

He chose this class as where he lives there are very limited places that offer the times he can do. So I understood that.

My anxiety has spiked for a couple of reasons. Firstly, he has lost weight- we both have tbh, and it was a journey we chose to go on together. Secondly, and it's embarrassing to admit, but obviously I know it's pathetic on my side - I've checked her social media, and she is now after 3 years, single. Both these things have made me irrationally obsessed that something will happen between them.

I have even checked both my partner and his exes LinkedIn account (I have done this sporadically throughout my relationship when I've had a wobble) and for the first time, it shows that both of them have viewed each others profile (I don't know when as it's been months since I checked last) I'm assuming I'm right as it shows up in the 'people have also viewed' list.

This is the first time I have found any sort of confirmation of connection and my anxiety and jealousy has gone into a spin.

The hypocrisy in it all, is I too look up my exes on social media. I do it out of curiosity and have zero feelings for them. So why can't I believe that to be true with my partner?

I haven't asked him, or mentioned any of this through fear of revealing what an immature mess I am. Plus I assume he may deny viewing her.

The worse part is, I am reasonably attractive, have a great career as a solicitor, have a lovely family, child, and friends, so why am I constantly acting like a jealous teenager? Comparing myself, not feeling enough, creating endless scenarios in my head of my partner cheating!

This is one example of many, but to date the most 'real' feeling of worry.

I love him, but I know I'd equally survive without him. I dont feel needy, but I think the issue about this is more that I would feel I was never good enough - like confirming my inner fear.

I know no-one can tell me if he is up to no good. I think it's possible. But the main thing I need help with is how to work on myself and my self esteem. I can't afford therapy at the moment as despite a well paid job, the cost of living is crippling me.

Are there any books, tips etc to help me?

I'm a bit of an emotional wreak, heightened by menopause.

Thank you in advance.

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GarlicGrace · 10/10/2023 20:22

I have to ask - you can't afford £80 a week, or even a fortnight, for a few months to talk this through in detail and start fixing your insecurity?

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 20:24

Unfortunately not as I have a lot of debt I'm still clearing from my ex so no spare money.

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WowOK · 10/10/2023 20:33

I like you need to see your GP. It might be worth considering HRT or discussing your anxiety menopause can make it worse. You can also self refer for therapy if you are in the UK.

I don't ever worry about cheating. I don't think it's something you have any control of. I also don't think it has anything to do with the person who is cheated on. Its not a reflection on their worth. All the blame and failings lay with the cheater.

GarlicGrace · 10/10/2023 20:45

Damn, sorry to hear that.

This sort of thing is usually rooted in childhood, and may not even make sense from an adult point of view. Therapy's great for figuring out what happened to the child that you were and how your 'inner child' feels about it. From there you can go on to making it better, and will learn some CBT techniques to help you cope in situations that challenge your feelings.

Sure I could recommend some inner child books. All the ones that are any good will advise you to work with a therapist. I can also recommend decent self-compassion workbooks - and you really need to do the inner child work so as to understand the hurt you feel, which makes you anxious.

Posters here may have some ideas about YouTube videos and such: you never know, one of them might happen to work for you.

John Bradshaw's 'Homecoming' is the book I worked through with my therapist.

Paul Gilbert's 'The Compassionate Mind' is a bible on how the mind & emotions work together, and how to help yourself feel less threatened.

Healing Your Wounded Inner Child: A CBT Workbook is often recommended on here.

Wishing you the best.

cassiatwenty · 10/10/2023 20:48

Well you have a good insight as to what's up. Irrespective of your accomplishments (well done) you suffer from bouts of low self-esteem. Even though you know that your partner is decent, there's past baggage that makes you question him.

Rather than thinking of yourself as wrong, try to interact with multiple people who make you feel good afterwards rather than focusing solely on your partner. Does that make sense?

I sympathise because I'm similar. There's someone I fancy. Because of low self-esteem I act cold not because I don't care but because I feel ashamed right now of trying and interacting.

Being a good partner isn't something we are or we aren't, it's something we try to do every day anew despite all if our baggage, we try to be good to people anew.

cassiatwenty · 10/10/2023 20:49

You have a bit of a problem, as we all do, but having a problem doesn't make you a problem.

GarlicGrace · 10/10/2023 20:50

cassiatwenty · 10/10/2023 20:49

You have a bit of a problem, as we all do, but having a problem doesn't make you a problem.

True, that!

Jonti23 · 10/10/2023 20:53

Jealousy can often mean a need for control.
Do you have a social circle, friends or the like?

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:00

WowOK · 10/10/2023 20:33

I like you need to see your GP. It might be worth considering HRT or discussing your anxiety menopause can make it worse. You can also self refer for therapy if you are in the UK.

I don't ever worry about cheating. I don't think it's something you have any control of. I also don't think it has anything to do with the person who is cheated on. Its not a reflection on their worth. All the blame and failings lay with the cheater.

Thank you. I'm certainly considering HRT.

I know if someone is going to cheat, then I can't control that. But the thought if it happening makes me feel a fool, and not enough, or that they must be better than me.

This is why I look for evidence. So I can say its over. I know it sounds weird. I obviously don't want it to be over, but I always feel so sure its happening- now more so than ever. So it would almost put me out of my misery.

I just want to be secure in myself and I can't see that happening whilst in a relationship at the moment.

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4417C · 10/10/2023 21:04
  1. She broke it off.
  2. He was, and will remember having been, rejected by her.
  3. She’s available and nothing’s happened. He’s still with you.
  4. He’s honestly chosen a venue opposite her house for an entirely valid reason. He’s not a teenager, hanging round to get her attention. Presumably he co-parents with her so sees her anyway.
  5. You're attractive. Delete the ‘reasonably’ in your head.
  6. It’s not unusual to check on exes. It’s being nosy, not interested. They’ve done it and so have you. That worry is therefore cancelled.
  7. Most people have self doubts. You’re not unique or weak. Learn to hide it, put it to the back of your mind.
  8. If you believe in yourself, have confidence, he won’t be able to resist you. Practise this.
  9. He’s moved on TO YOU.
  10. If you’re not good enough, why is he with you? Because you are good enough is the answer!
seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:05

GarlicGrace · 10/10/2023 20:45

Damn, sorry to hear that.

This sort of thing is usually rooted in childhood, and may not even make sense from an adult point of view. Therapy's great for figuring out what happened to the child that you were and how your 'inner child' feels about it. From there you can go on to making it better, and will learn some CBT techniques to help you cope in situations that challenge your feelings.

Sure I could recommend some inner child books. All the ones that are any good will advise you to work with a therapist. I can also recommend decent self-compassion workbooks - and you really need to do the inner child work so as to understand the hurt you feel, which makes you anxious.

Posters here may have some ideas about YouTube videos and such: you never know, one of them might happen to work for you.

John Bradshaw's 'Homecoming' is the book I worked through with my therapist.

Paul Gilbert's 'The Compassionate Mind' is a bible on how the mind & emotions work together, and how to help yourself feel less threatened.

Healing Your Wounded Inner Child: A CBT Workbook is often recommended on here.

Wishing you the best.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate the links and will have a look.

I had a loving upbringing but unconventional. I did have a long-term abusive relationship with my first boyfriend which I believe did a lot of emotional damage. I was quite young too.

I continued to make bad choices with partners until I met my current one. I don't understand why I still can't trust he won't hurt me. Pathetic really.

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seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:08

cassiatwenty · 10/10/2023 20:48

Well you have a good insight as to what's up. Irrespective of your accomplishments (well done) you suffer from bouts of low self-esteem. Even though you know that your partner is decent, there's past baggage that makes you question him.

Rather than thinking of yourself as wrong, try to interact with multiple people who make you feel good afterwards rather than focusing solely on your partner. Does that make sense?

I sympathise because I'm similar. There's someone I fancy. Because of low self-esteem I act cold not because I don't care but because I feel ashamed right now of trying and interacting.

Being a good partner isn't something we are or we aren't, it's something we try to do every day anew despite all if our baggage, we try to be good to people anew.

Sorry to hear about your situation. I completely understand how you feel and I hope you manage to get through the negative thoughts.

I really appreciate your advice. I do have a job that means I'm often interacting. I can switch into work mode easily, but when I'm alone my thoughts consume me.

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seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:11

cassiatwenty · 10/10/2023 20:49

You have a bit of a problem, as we all do, but having a problem doesn't make you a problem.

Thank you. It's a problem that only I can fix. However, the logical part of my brain just won't kick in right now, and I'm just having such negative thoughts towards my partner as I genuinely feel something is going on. I wish I could just immerse myself into some self help right now, but can't shift my attention to focus.

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WowOK · 10/10/2023 21:12

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:00

Thank you. I'm certainly considering HRT.

I know if someone is going to cheat, then I can't control that. But the thought if it happening makes me feel a fool, and not enough, or that they must be better than me.

This is why I look for evidence. So I can say its over. I know it sounds weird. I obviously don't want it to be over, but I always feel so sure its happening- now more so than ever. So it would almost put me out of my misery.

I just want to be secure in myself and I can't see that happening whilst in a relationship at the moment.

Maybe you are trying to prove it because you don't feel worthy or loveable. It's something you really need to address in therapy.

What do you think you need to do to feel secure in yourself? Also what would that feel like?

bronkie · 10/10/2023 21:13

@seekinginnerpeace the thing is you can never 100% trust that someone will not hurt you. You can only go by what you know in the here and now. Saying that you do sound as if you need to develop some coping strategies for your anxieties. I had 3 CBT sessions with hypnotherapy and it was a revelation for me.

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:13

Jonti23 · 10/10/2023 20:53

Jealousy can often mean a need for control.
Do you have a social circle, friends or the like?

I think the jealousy is simply that I don't feel I can match up to his ex. This makes me feel negative about myself. I'm not needy, or feel a need to be with my partner all the time. I like my own time, and socialising with friends when I can, but all in the comfort of knowing he is being faithful.

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WowOK · 10/10/2023 21:14

Do you often have intrusive thoughts? I have terrible intrusive thoughts which are linked to OCD. Guided meditation helps but the GP can also help with medication.

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 21:24

bronkie · 10/10/2023 21:13

@seekinginnerpeace the thing is you can never 100% trust that someone will not hurt you. You can only go by what you know in the here and now. Saying that you do sound as if you need to develop some coping strategies for your anxieties. I had 3 CBT sessions with hypnotherapy and it was a revelation for me.

Thank you. It's like I have a split personality because sometimes I know and believe what you say to be true, and yet the other part of me feels overpowering with anxiety and worry and self doubt which I feel on a very physical level, not just emotionally. It's frustrating as I absolutely know I can't guarantee anything.

I think I may need to revisit CBT. I'm so glad it helped you.

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PaminaMozart · 10/10/2023 21:30

Here are a couple of books that are worth reading - in addition to the inner child books mentioned by a PP. Don't be put off by the somewhat cheesy titles - these are classics.

Women Who Love Too Much

Attached: Are you Anxious, Avoidant or Secure? How the science of adult attachment can help you find – and keep – love

The Six Pillars of Self Esteem

And I second the recommendation of counselling, even if it means less money to throw at your debts. Even a few months of therapy with the right counsellor - you may have to try a couple - will be worth it, if only because it'll be a safe space in which to voice your suppressed fears..

Coffeeandanap · 10/10/2023 21:39

Not the point of your post but I wanted to clarify that I don’t think LinkedIn does show you that he viewed his ex’s profile.
I think only the person who’s profile it is can see who they’ve viewed.
What you described, people have also viewed, is showing you who other people have viewed, as in other people have looked at both his and his ex’s profile. Does that make sense?
For instance, if I look at someone on LinkedIn it will recommend other profiles that have a similar name or work in the same industry, it doesn’t mean the person I was originally looking at has looked at them, only that I might want to.

Janieforever · 10/10/2023 21:46

LinkedIn doesn’t show he’s viewed their profile.

id urge you to speak to your doctor. You don’t need to go private and if you’ve no money then doing nothing isn’t an option. Mental health is as important as physical health and if you’re not well and struggling as you are, then make an appt.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 10/10/2023 21:56

I think you have an attachment disorder it might help to look into this. This all sounds very hard, is moving in together with all this going on the best idea. Please get help, you can overcome this. I'd also look into medication to stabilise your moods of thinking and ruminating.

Jonti23 · 10/10/2023 22:26

Abandonment is a serious issue for some folks too. That stems out of unhealthy attachments and they perceive every action to be an act of abandonment.

Absolutelymassesofcourgettes · 10/10/2023 22:55

I'm glad attachment issues have been mentioned already, I think this is very much where you should start OP in trying to explore why you feel as you do.

What do you mean by an unconventional childhood?

seekinginnerpeace · 10/10/2023 23:53

PaminaMozart · 10/10/2023 21:30

Here are a couple of books that are worth reading - in addition to the inner child books mentioned by a PP. Don't be put off by the somewhat cheesy titles - these are classics.

Women Who Love Too Much

Attached: Are you Anxious, Avoidant or Secure? How the science of adult attachment can help you find – and keep – love

The Six Pillars of Self Esteem

And I second the recommendation of counselling, even if it means less money to throw at your debts. Even a few months of therapy with the right counsellor - you may have to try a couple - will be worth it, if only because it'll be a safe space in which to voice your suppressed fears..

I honestly really do appreciate all the book suggestions.

I was considering prioritising therapy but I read so many horror stories about not finding great ones after splashing out lots of money. I did try a site called better health therapy. It was really affordable, but I looked it up online and it sounded dreadful.

Would books not offer the same kind of tools I need? I've never experienced therapy before. Only CBT online ages ago.

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