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Paralyzed with indecision re: Ex-fiancee / current boyfriend / country / job

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4thIRMmeB · 28/09/2023 13:20

LONG post ahead—interminable situation. Looking for perspective from objective parties. Simple, “leave him!” type answers don’t address the underlying stuckness I’m in or why I went back after breaking up the first time. I very very much appreciate anyone reading all the way through and offering insight/stories!

Before I get into the muck, it’s relevant to note what my (f,31) ex-fiancee/current boyfriend (m,34) adds to my life: he’s my best friend and greatest companion. Handsome, bright, talented, affectionate, romantic—we never run out of things to talk about and I always feel that he is listening to me when I am speaking to him (even if he doesn’t agree with me or understand me). We share interests and a sense of humour, have similar family backgrounds, and some (not all) important life goals/values. He does most of the cooking, shopping and even cleaning. He pays half of everything (though, I imagine I’ll contribute more in the future). He comes from a middle-class but generous family who’ve offered to buy him an apartment once he’s chosen where he wants to live (but who knows when that will be). His family has embraced me, and he gets along well with my family and friends.

Now the muck: He insisted on an open relationship early on. I agreed to it unthinkingly. While he never acted on the “open relationship”, he insisted on keeping the possibility “open” years in, even after we’d become engaged (this is my fault too, I know) and I’d made it clear I loathed the idea. It was one of the main reasons for my ending our engagement, but we have been explicitly monogamous since reuniting.

About 9 months into our relationship the first time, and 3 weeks into my first salaried job (which he helped me get through his connection) the pandemic hit and my office became remote. He quit his job abruptly, citing conflict with his manager and concerns about the virus. He picked up gig economy work online, and I moved into his apartment to help pay rent. I was uncomfortable with him quitting his job at the beginning of a global recession, but he wanted to pivot into the arts, so applied to a prestigious art school abroad; it wasn’t clear what would happen to us if he got in.

He proposed to me one day at home (spur of the moment, no wedding date planned), and I accepted despite my reservations regarding the prospect of an open relationship and unsteady employment (I was in love and thrilled to be engaged).

Midway through the first pandemic summer, and about a year into our relationship we visited his parent’s home in Spain (his dad is Spanish). He stayed for over a month, while I returned home after two weeks for work. It really hurt me that he did not return with me given that we’d just become engaged (rings and announced at this point) and that I’d have to isolate for weeks alone—which was hellish (tiny, studio apartment; shared bathroom with the weird man next door; my own family in crisis) and I resented him for it. I proposed that I find my own apartment, that things were moving too fast. Meanwhile, he was rejected from the art school. In the end, the housing crisis (and frankly, my desire to live with a partner) resulted in us continuing to live together. This new, shared apartment became the only “home” I’ve known beyond my family home as we made it our own, and I was delighted.

That spring, he re-applied to the art school abroad without consulting me despite us being engaged and sharing a lease. His plan for us was that I would quit my job (a job I didn’t like, but which paid for my life) and move abroad with him; we would live in an apartment paid for by his parents (which I was not really comfortable with) while I looked for work. I’d expressed a lot of interest in moving abroad early in our relationship, I just wasn’t necessarily prepared to do so “forever” or under these circumstances. By the spring/summer 2021, he became restless with work and our little, domestic life in Ottawa so I began to prepare an application for an EU country work Visa to give us some options. In the meantime, he took another lengthy trip to his parent’s house in Europe, which I joined him on for two weeks before returning home for work, isolating alone, again.

By the end of summer, he was accepted to the art school in the UK, and suddenly my life was uprooted: I cancelled the EU Visa application but failed to get the necessary Visa to join him in the UK. It was the dead of Canadian winter, and the pandemic lockdowns were still severe. I was sent into a mental tailspin by the looming prospect of my fiancé abruptly moving continents without me. I experienced chronic stomach pain and anxiety. He left for school in January, and I, at 28 years old, moved back in with my parents (bless them) for a few months to decide whether to re-apply for the UK visa. I am not proud of the person I was at this time—catastrophic, fearful, entitled, myopic…not good. Nothing will devastate your ego like someone saying they love, want to marry you and have children with you while demanding an open relationship (though never act on it), and moving countries with or without you.

In March, I made a disastrous visit to see him in the UK, during which time he was (I guess reasonably) preoccupied with his studies, we fought a lot, and I experienced something like a narcissistic collapse. I ended our engagement a week after returning home and imposed NC for 6 months in light of my feeling extremely mentally unwell, as if I were coming off of drugs (attachment to him). I spent the next months fortifying my job (which I’d neglected amidst the drama of the pandemic and the relationship), finding an apartment, speaking to a therapist (in vain), and going on a million depressing tinder dates. My eating disorder flared up during this time and I lost a lot of weight very quickly. I wasn’t sleeping either. I was profoundly lonely and unmoored despite seeing my family regularly and friends weekly, joining a writing group and taking driving lessons (I failed my test). Eating alone in my apartment was ghastly.

I’d hoped/expected to feel some relief or something after we’d broken up, but I felt only fear and regret over not giving it a try, after all, he did offer some kind of future—marriage and an apartment, and I missed him. My future had been clipped like a flower bud. I felt alienated from work, my brother was (and is) mentally unwell and lives with my parents (so that spending time with them is often more distressing than comforting as I am not able to remedy it), my beloved grandmother was sick (and has since passed away), and the city had not yet recovered from lockdowns.

He respected the NC, but I broke it myself less than three months in. He enthusiastically resumed our correspondence. Within a few months, I’d secured the Visa, quit my job, and found a new, remote position where I could work from the UK. This time we would be monogamous. Nonetheless, I had serious misgivings about our reunion. While preparing to leave for the UK, I was offered a more attractive job in Ontario (slightly worse pay, but better prospects and security) through another connection of his, but I turned it down. I have some serious regrets over that decision, but I had to follow through on the UK and settle things between us.

The stress and doubt surrounding the move/reunion/new job saw my health deteriorate rapidly: I gained weight back as rapidly as I’d lost it, lost my period for months, got acne for the first time in my life and was diagnosed with PCOS shortly after arriving in the UK. I have failed to find work in the UK which has lowered my self-confidence (especially because I’m paid in Canadian dollars, so am DECIMATING my income by converting it to GBP).

We’ve been in this weird state of reconciliation for 6(!) months now. I still love him, but I am not flourishing in the UK while he is (he’s graduated now, working on art projects). There’s a tentative deadline of one year from now when his UK visa will run out, and he’ll apply for a new one, at which point we’d have to marry to stay together or break up for good—but I’m doubting my ability to ever, truly disentangle myself.

Regardless of whatever happens between him and me, I have lost faith/hope in my life in general. I don’t know whether to prioritize finding a relationship that could facilitate children or to re-direct my money/energy to finding a true vocation or new job (which will inevitably mean deferring children and I’m already in my 30’s). Should I stay in the UK now that I’m here (with or without him), or move home?

I’m susceptible to catastrophic thoughts of “ending up alone” not because I’m totally repulsive (though, I have my moments), but because I only seem compatible with/attracted to impulsive, somewhat immature men who then make me feel crazy. I feel as if we deserve one another, and that I have as good a chance with him as anyone (at least I love him). I’ve lost faith in a happy future, with him or on my own. Perhaps I’m just being impatient or unrealistic about the amount of compromise a partnership entails. I could, feasibly, be married, living in a purchased apartment on a longer Visa one or two years from now (though, I don’t feel mentally well enough for children right now), but I fear that won’t address the underlying unhappiness/instability.

Help me MN! Help me sort out what I want and/or what is good for me!

PS it’s worth noting that a not-dissimilar scenario preceded the collapse of my older brother who is depressed, unemployed and lives with my aging parents. He too was dating an ambitious, adventurous partner who left him while he failed to find meaningful employment, sending him into a morbid depression that has consumed him for 4 years now. While my heart aches for my brother, his story also strikes a paralyzing fear in me that I should end up just like him.

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4thIRMmeB · 29/09/2023 22:02

@Mycutedog thank you <3

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Cosycardigans · 29/09/2023 22:08

The entire way through all I kept getting from the post was "why is she so afraid of living on her own?". Even two weeks on your own in the safety of your home felt like a betrayal to you. As a good friend told me recently- you have to go through it. İt would do you so good to get through that discomfort of being alone. I would go back to your family, (as long as they aren't abusing you,) and face the discomfort that their discomfort makes you feel, observe their patterns, and make plans for setting up your own life somewhere there- in your own apartment or a house share with other professional single women. You don't have to completely isolate yourself either. You can have dinner parties and movie nights with friends, or find meetup groups to hang out with. There are men out there in their thirties and early forties who want what you want- and easier to meet them when you've got your independence and are feeling settled.

I'm a single mum and I live alone. I lived alone through the pandemic with no bubble to rely on. Yes, some days it's so uncomfortable and the loneliness creeps up but it's sooo good for me to experience that and face it. And the more I get used to it, the more I say no to deadbeat relationships, situations and doing anything I don't want to, because I now KNOW I'm strong enough to deal with the loneliness, than accept someone who doesn't want to fully committ, think of my needs and be in the moment with me. No way am I perfect, or completely healed and happy, but I know I'm growing more than I ever did when I was jumping from relationship to relationship looking to squash the loneliness feeling. I still have anxiety and loads to work through, but you can't beat that feeling of being your own person and figuring out your day to day life in peace.

Miajk · 29/09/2023 22:24

he’s my best friend and greatest companion. Handsome, bright, talented, affectionate, romantic—

Friendships include loyalty, something that doesn't seem to be a trait he shows often.

we never run out of things to talk about and I always feel that he is listening to me when I am speaking to him (even if he doesn’t agree with me or understand me).

So he's not a complete bore and does the bare minimum of listening when you speak to him. The bar is on the floor

We share interests and a sense of humour, have similar family backgrounds, and some (not all) important life goals/values

apart from the fact that he wanted an open relationship, that he doesn't think it's important to consult you about quitting his job, that he is happy to apply to go to school abroad without consideration about you as a couple... the list seems to go on

You really could have condensed this very long post into "my boyfriend didn't want to be monogamous, now he does, but he doesn't factor me in major life decisions. He's however not all awful, we have interesting conversations and he's affectionate"

That's all you need to know really. How does that relationship sound to you?

PinkRoses1245 · 29/09/2023 22:29

You need to come to terms with being ok on your own. Do not give up any of your own life / independence/ financial security for a man.

4thIRMmeB · 29/09/2023 22:31

@HenryCavillsWife I've wondered this, whether it should be SO hard. I figure any long-term relationship is challenging (this is my first LTR, but his third), and wonder if too many people give up too easily nowadays. But then there is also such a thing as a lost cause. "Hard, confusing, depressing" is right.

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4thIRMmeB · 29/09/2023 22:41

@Cosycardigans it's a good question that I don't have an answer to. I lived with my family, then with roommates and/or friends, then with my bf. Last summer was my first experience living alone and I found it harrowing—like, "I can't believe people live like this" level of harrowing. And yet, I know many people enjoy living alone! So this is probably a "me" issue. I've felt pretty seriously lonely my entire life, even when living with family, friends or my boyfriend, but at least the person before you is a distraction.

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ComputerBearToad · 29/09/2023 22:42

@4thIRMmeB

I agree with @merryhouse

If there was unresolved tension/trauma in your birth family it looks like you've been trying to get away from it with a completely new life in a new country with someone quite "glamorous" from a different culture (art school and good networks and a rich family).

But you're just adding a new set of issues with control, money, work visas etc (Not to mention your fiancé's early desire for an open relationship clouding everything - if he's from a rich family with a sense of entitlement I'd be very wary of what might happen).

You're potentially in a very risky situation.

Re: socialising, building friendship groups - I think the secret is most people have it quite low-key and boring! That's OK.

If you're a thoughtful single woman living alone who isn't hugely extroverted or rich and has got past the "party" stage it can be quite "mundane" and easy to feel unwanted.

You need to find contentment in the day to day activities. Loneliness is ok. Have low expectations.

You don't need to be writing award winning novels or dining at High Table in Oxbridge colleges or living a Sex and the City lifestyle to have a stimulating and pleasant routine.

Like many women, I've dated some fairly affluent guys, and had access to "certain cool social groups" in the past.

Now I'm realising I might be heading to an older stage of life and NOT entering those groups....thats perfectly fine.

I think if you could get a standard "ok job with ok colleagues", pick a city far from your family, start saving for your future then it will all start to add up.

It might not be "art creative glam" job or feel like your impressive passion career, but if you bring in money and managing it well you can have a great standard of living.

And I think once you're there, you may start finding men who are partner material - maybe not some impressive "White Knight" guy but someone similar to you who wants to join the pleasant life you have.

But start slow. Break it down into small goals.

Stop trying to "replace one high with a new one". Put some boundaries up with your family or anyone you feel is difficult.

4thIRMmeB · 30/09/2023 02:53

@ComputerBearToad "You're potentially in a very risky situation."

Are you speaking form experience?

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Beautifulday3 · 30/09/2023 05:45

i think you need to ask yourself are you happy? It sounds like he makes the plans and you fit in. He has ambition and wants you to be on board. Yet you sound hesitant. Unsurprisingly as he is committing to you but he isn’t as if he meets someone else you have an open relationship. It sounds like you have agreed to a lot of his wants/desires. But what about you! What do you want? Maybe you need to consider what you want your life to look like in five/ten years. Will you be happy with what he is offering. You can be alone and find happy….

Studyvisaconsultant · 30/09/2023 05:45

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