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I have had enough (apologies for some gross details!)

125 replies

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 09:21

I have been with my husband for years, we have 2 young children and l am about to go back to work after maternity leave. I have gone back quite quickly due to money concerns, us not getting on very well especially due to the way he speaks to me. I admit l do feel a bit of resentment about this. There have also been rows about division of chores e.g. he reckons it isn't possible for us to do ANYTHING but the bare bare minimum at the weekend when he is off work e.g. cooking, washing up etc. But somehow l can do it in the week when l am on my own with 2 young children -l am yet to get an explanation from him that explains how that works. The dynamic often feels like me living with 2 young children and my teenage son -he always wants to do the bare minimum, stopping him doing dangerous stuff e.g. putting bouncers on tables with baby in etc.

Last night he started asking me what would l do to induce him to take better care of his personal hygiene. l have made it clear l am grossed out by his long black toenails, have stopped washing his pants when he hasn't wiped his bum properly and they are stained. I obviously said well, none. You keeping on top of your personal hygiene is on you, l don't need to persuade or reward you for doing it. He is 40 years old after all! He is then annoyed and said l need to be "more sensitive". I said you have no medical problem, l even suggested you go to the GP but you declined. He thinks l am being unreasonable and pushed for an inducement for him to be better kempt. Like l said to him if l left my used sanitary towels on the floor, l doubt you would be offering inducements and instead would tell me to stop being so grim!

To add insult to injury he starts making sexual advances when we go to bed which l make clear l am not in the mood for. Funnily enough our discussion and his reaction wasn't very attractive to me. I woke up this morning having slept badly after strange dreams, weirdly enough after dreams of trying to buy a flat as we had split up and gone our separate ways.

OP posts:
BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:42

Jonti23 · 27/09/2023 13:22

You’re wasting your time moaning to us about it, you have to face what ya got. Did you start staining these pants recently, and how would you have pre-created prior? Basically sounds to me like you have no tolerance of him, for whatever reason, which could be justified anyhow. It’s not how relationships work. Could you be in a mood because you’re a bit nervous about going back to work tomorrow? I wouldn’t procrastinate, I would actually face that and give up the moaning. If he was good enough to procreate with I would recommend sticking with him and probably trying to help him get motivated, whether it’s diet wise or hygiene, you are either a team or you’re not and you sound like you want out.

Im not "in a mood" about going back to work. I am looking forward to not being default parent, being spoken to politely by my colleagues and going for a wee in peace. It was me who pushed for me to go back to work at this point. I have no intention of giving up "the moaning" as otherwise husband might start to think the current set up if acceptable -it isn't. I have 2 young children and going back nearly full time so l don't have the time or energy to motivate him

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Anothagoatthis · 27/09/2023 13:43

It’s horrible the way some men change so drastically for the worst after marriage.

Sounds like a good plan @BlueJeans501
and it’s something you can realistically implement almost immediately. If you do go ahead with the separate bedrooms stand your ground and make sure HE is the one who moves into the box room and not you.

If he challenge this and asks you to move into the box room, tell him he needs to give up the dining room as his office, and the bedroom can then serve as his office & bedroom.

I’m sure he’ll then prefer the alternative of sleeping in the box room.

Deathbyfluffy · 27/09/2023 13:44

femfemlicious · 27/09/2023 09:43

It's just not worth being married 😭. It's just SHIT most of the time

It might have been shit with your poor choice of spouse, but there's many happy marriages out there where people make an effort to be the best they can for each other.

Shit for you doesn't mean shit for everyone else.

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:47

Araminta1003 · 27/09/2023 13:39

OK well this is all quite typical marriage problems with young DC, money worries, transition issues (aka you going back to work). The post baby rut.

Marriage is really hard work and you both need to do your bit. He needs to sort out his hygiene, speak to you properly and do chores. Give him a long list on the fridge and make it clear you just don’t fancy him if he doesn’t do all of that. Because metrosexual nice smelling kind men are just infinitely more fanciable rather than smelly stroppy man-toddler husbands. He needs to make you feel appreciated, sexy and wanted if he wants his marital service. And if he does all of that, then you will make time for him? But you do need to be prepared to do the latter. Are you? Are you happy to give him some importance and not place him at the bottom of the pecking order way below the DC, work, home chores etc. Because that is mostly what men complain of as the reason to stop trying.

Go back to work positively, enjoy it, and do not do any extra chores at home. If the home rots, let it happen in the short term. If he does not pull his weight, kick him out.

I am still making him a priority e.g. the other week l organised a night for just the 2 of us whilst a friend of mine babysat, l booked concert tickets for a band we both like etc. I have lost all the baby weight and then some, finished a qualification and got a slight promotion for return to work so l am making lots of effort

OP posts:
BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:49

@Anothagoatthis this was literally my next line of defence in the room argument! He's not a massive fan of sharing, one of those men who when they works from home somehow takes over the dining room and lounge. Then is irritable l want access to the lounge with the children

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Araminta1003 · 27/09/2023 13:51

“Im not "in a mood" about going back to work. I am looking forward to not being default parent, being spoken to politely by my colleagues and going for a wee in peace. It was me who pushed for me to go back to work at this point. I have no intention of giving up "the moaning" as otherwise husband might start to think the current set up if acceptable -it isn't. I have 2 young children and going back nearly full time so l don't have the time or energy to motivate him”

“I am still making him a priority e.g. the other week l organised a night for just the 2 of us whilst a friend of mine babysat, l booked concert tickets for a band we both like etc. I have lost all the baby weight and then some, finished a qualification and got a slight promotion for return to work so l am making lots of effort”

You sound great OP. Stick to your guns, make a reasonable plan to manage your DH and implement it without wavering. He many just take a little time to adjust/understand - you have to train him. It sounds like you are the competent one.
Is/was his mum or dad a poor role model for egalitarianism at home?

BreatheAndFocus · 27/09/2023 13:52

🤮 🤮 He sounds revolting! Horrible thought but do you think he’s doing it on purpose to demean and control you?

I’d get the house on the market asap and get the hell away from him! It’s not just the shitty bum and pants and the disgusting toenails, he doesn’t sound a very nice person at all.

SurprisedWithAHorse · 27/09/2023 13:53

He can't take over the communal areas during the day with kids at home. It's work from home - it's not his office, it's your home. He needs to find another place to work. Either another room in the house or some office or space outside of it.

Erdinger · 27/09/2023 14:00

Has he got toenail fungus ? Anti fungals for that. At 40 he should know how to wipe his ass

spookehtooth · 27/09/2023 14:02

If he doesn't change, and you stick with him, that's default conceding to his expectations however much you might protest. No amount of arguments or clever words will change that. Choosing to stay with him is a legit decision, however doing so and refusing to acknowledge that you're conceding will only cause you pain

StolenCookie · 27/09/2023 14:05

Skidmarks are gross, yes, but in this country we don’t wash after we use the toilet so sometimes they will just happen. Imagine getting poo on your hands and trying to wipe it off with dry tissue.

The problem is his attitude towards it. I think a considerate partner would agree that it’s unpleasant and would do better to at least hide their pants in that state from their partner!

jeaux90 · 27/09/2023 14:08

Oh god OP.

I'm a lone parent, I can tell you my life is way more peaceful without entitlement and skid marks.

Great you are going back to work, let's hope you can focus on that and getting yourself out of this marriage to man that treats you like you are his support human.

stardust777 · 27/09/2023 14:10

OP, do you want to make it work? If yes, could you tell him how unhappy you are currently and suggest marriage counselling so you can get back on track? Also, would it be worth saying that you are concerned that the current tensions will affect the children?

PassMeTheRedbull · 27/09/2023 14:15

That is disgusting and there is no need whatsoever, does he have anal skin tags or any issues with piles?
I had anal skin tags after childbirth and sometimes after a poo no matter how much I wiped my bum it wasn't completely clean, I had them removed, HOWEVER when this did happen to me I literally would shower straight away, so if he does have an issue like this it isn't an excuse.

Frogger8395 · 27/09/2023 14:19

🤮 🤮 He sounds revolting! Horrible thought but do you think he’s doing it on purpose to demean and control you?

This was my thoughts also.

Anothagoatthis · 27/09/2023 14:23

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:49

@Anothagoatthis this was literally my next line of defence in the room argument! He's not a massive fan of sharing, one of those men who when they works from home somehow takes over the dining room and lounge. Then is irritable l want access to the lounge with the children

He really sounds worse the more you talk about him!

It’s bad enough taking over the dining room but be clear you’ll be using the lounge with the children from now on and it is NOT to be used as his office. And follow this up with action ie. Using the lounge in office hours.
If it’s an open plan lounge and dining room he’ll just have to put up with it.

I suggest you move quick on this. Perhaps a proper sit down conversation. The longer things go on like this the more he’ll feel entitled with the current set up . It’s evident he sees himself as the most important member of your family.

And re. pp suggesting you need to make more effort or prioritise him more - you are doing more than enough already by the sounds of it.

Out of respect for himself as a 40 year old man he should be striving to have basic hygiene standards and speak to his partner respectfully, irrespective of whether he feels prioritised or not. And it’s not about being metrosexual, he just has to be clean and hygienic. This is just basic adulting.

GrumpyPanda · 27/09/2023 14:24

OP you shouldn't have to sort out his hygiene but nonetheless:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/HAPPYPO-Easy-Bidet-Travel-Portable-Hygiene/dp/B07GBSQKL5

Re toenails, tell him to go to a pedicurist if he can't nanage he himself. Maybe even just for a one-off training?

spookehtooth · 27/09/2023 14:25

StolenCookie · 27/09/2023 14:05

Skidmarks are gross, yes, but in this country we don’t wash after we use the toilet so sometimes they will just happen. Imagine getting poo on your hands and trying to wipe it off with dry tissue.

The problem is his attitude towards it. I think a considerate partner would agree that it’s unpleasant and would do better to at least hide their pants in that state from their partner!

Maybe I'm misreading, but I'm not keen on the "it just happens" bit. When there's a legitimate issue everything that contributes to it has to be reviewed critically. Diet, wiping strategy, bathing/showering routine the lot. Vast majority of causes are preventable with medical attention. Mind you even medical issues require taking an action. I don't know how anyone can shrug "oh well, it happens". I've had periodic soft stools leading to marks in the underwear since switching to a vegan diet. Resolving it was a bit of an education on the diet aspect. There was no-one to see them except me, but that's bad enough really. I hated looking at them, never mind anyone else. Clean, nicely cut finger and toe nails are more important, far more people see the state they're in and quite rightly it helps towards them forming an impression about us

Positivepantz · 27/09/2023 14:29

Honestly - my husband is same. Kids are grossed out by it. Good for me we sleep in separate rooms. I’ve stopped washing his stuff, but still am very vocal about how it is not ok to wipe snot on sofa, bedcovers etc. (oh that’s when he has bedcovers, he can’t be arsed to put them on, so sleeps directly ON pillows and bed without cover. Gross. Has baths but doesn’t use soap. Gross) YUK. What the actual f**k is wrong with them. No help but you aren’t alone 🤮

AnneLovesGilbert · 27/09/2023 14:33

Positivepantz · 27/09/2023 14:29

Honestly - my husband is same. Kids are grossed out by it. Good for me we sleep in separate rooms. I’ve stopped washing his stuff, but still am very vocal about how it is not ok to wipe snot on sofa, bedcovers etc. (oh that’s when he has bedcovers, he can’t be arsed to put them on, so sleeps directly ON pillows and bed without cover. Gross. Has baths but doesn’t use soap. Gross) YUK. What the actual f**k is wrong with them. No help but you aren’t alone 🤮

Why are you putting up with this?!!!!!

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 14:37

Positivepantz · 27/09/2023 14:29

Honestly - my husband is same. Kids are grossed out by it. Good for me we sleep in separate rooms. I’ve stopped washing his stuff, but still am very vocal about how it is not ok to wipe snot on sofa, bedcovers etc. (oh that’s when he has bedcovers, he can’t be arsed to put them on, so sleeps directly ON pillows and bed without cover. Gross. Has baths but doesn’t use soap. Gross) YUK. What the actual f**k is wrong with them. No help but you aren’t alone 🤮

Oh God there's more than one of these disgusting creatures and this one snots over everything as well! 🤮

Anothagoatthis · 27/09/2023 14:37

Positivepantz · 27/09/2023 14:29

Honestly - my husband is same. Kids are grossed out by it. Good for me we sleep in separate rooms. I’ve stopped washing his stuff, but still am very vocal about how it is not ok to wipe snot on sofa, bedcovers etc. (oh that’s when he has bedcovers, he can’t be arsed to put them on, so sleeps directly ON pillows and bed without cover. Gross. Has baths but doesn’t use soap. Gross) YUK. What the actual f**k is wrong with them. No help but you aren’t alone 🤮

Gross. If he doesn’t use soap I’d argue he's not really even bathing, not properly anyway. I imagine he doesn’t smell too fresh?

Was he always like this or did he change after marriage? I’m trying to figure out how to avoid ending up with this kind of man if they are prone to hiding their bad habits at the start.

At least you don’t share a bed.

SurprisedWithAHorse · 27/09/2023 14:41

Positivepantz · 27/09/2023 14:29

Honestly - my husband is same. Kids are grossed out by it. Good for me we sleep in separate rooms. I’ve stopped washing his stuff, but still am very vocal about how it is not ok to wipe snot on sofa, bedcovers etc. (oh that’s when he has bedcovers, he can’t be arsed to put them on, so sleeps directly ON pillows and bed without cover. Gross. Has baths but doesn’t use soap. Gross) YUK. What the actual f**k is wrong with them. No help but you aren’t alone 🤮

What the hell. How can you stand living with him? He can get in the bath but not use soap?

Nounderwireplease · 27/09/2023 14:44

Araminta1003 · 27/09/2023 13:39

OK well this is all quite typical marriage problems with young DC, money worries, transition issues (aka you going back to work). The post baby rut.

Marriage is really hard work and you both need to do your bit. He needs to sort out his hygiene, speak to you properly and do chores. Give him a long list on the fridge and make it clear you just don’t fancy him if he doesn’t do all of that. Because metrosexual nice smelling kind men are just infinitely more fanciable rather than smelly stroppy man-toddler husbands. He needs to make you feel appreciated, sexy and wanted if he wants his marital service. And if he does all of that, then you will make time for him? But you do need to be prepared to do the latter. Are you? Are you happy to give him some importance and not place him at the bottom of the pecking order way below the DC, work, home chores etc. Because that is mostly what men complain of as the reason to stop trying.

Go back to work positively, enjoy it, and do not do any extra chores at home. If the home rots, let it happen in the short term. If he does not pull his weight, kick him out.

Black toenails and a shitty arse are not typical marriage problems 🤢

OP shouldn’t have to manage his behaviour, encourage him to wash himself or write him long lists of desirable behaviour. On what planet is that working as a team?!

As for your last point - men complaining about being at the bottom of the priority list is so tired and sexist. Poor lazy smelly man isn’t getting enough attention? Boo fucking hoo.

OP I wish you the best. Hope your situation improves, whatever the outcome.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 27/09/2023 14:47

Gives me the ick just thinking about it

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