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I have had enough (apologies for some gross details!)

125 replies

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 09:21

I have been with my husband for years, we have 2 young children and l am about to go back to work after maternity leave. I have gone back quite quickly due to money concerns, us not getting on very well especially due to the way he speaks to me. I admit l do feel a bit of resentment about this. There have also been rows about division of chores e.g. he reckons it isn't possible for us to do ANYTHING but the bare bare minimum at the weekend when he is off work e.g. cooking, washing up etc. But somehow l can do it in the week when l am on my own with 2 young children -l am yet to get an explanation from him that explains how that works. The dynamic often feels like me living with 2 young children and my teenage son -he always wants to do the bare minimum, stopping him doing dangerous stuff e.g. putting bouncers on tables with baby in etc.

Last night he started asking me what would l do to induce him to take better care of his personal hygiene. l have made it clear l am grossed out by his long black toenails, have stopped washing his pants when he hasn't wiped his bum properly and they are stained. I obviously said well, none. You keeping on top of your personal hygiene is on you, l don't need to persuade or reward you for doing it. He is 40 years old after all! He is then annoyed and said l need to be "more sensitive". I said you have no medical problem, l even suggested you go to the GP but you declined. He thinks l am being unreasonable and pushed for an inducement for him to be better kempt. Like l said to him if l left my used sanitary towels on the floor, l doubt you would be offering inducements and instead would tell me to stop being so grim!

To add insult to injury he starts making sexual advances when we go to bed which l make clear l am not in the mood for. Funnily enough our discussion and his reaction wasn't very attractive to me. I woke up this morning having slept badly after strange dreams, weirdly enough after dreams of trying to buy a flat as we had split up and gone our separate ways.

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BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:10

Aquamarine1029 · 27/09/2023 13:06

But my bar hasn't sank...

I'm sorry, op, but your bar has absolutely sunk. It's a bitter pill to swallow but it's just the truth. You are allowing yourself and your kids to live with this. For myself and every woman I know, this level of filth would be a total deal breaker, never mind the horrible way he treats you.

You are your children deserve far, far better than this depravity. It's beyond grim.

Unfortunately l can't force him to do anything. He is a fair bit bigger than me so l can hardly drag him to the toe clippers and nail brush. I would love to move out but can't afford my share of the mortgage (legally l would still need to pay it even if l moved out), plus rent elsewhere and bills

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TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 13:11

If it were a medical problem he would likely feel embarrassed about having shitty skidmarks and not want to subject them on you.
Instead he IS subjecting them on you and not only expecting you to deal with them but trying to bargin his way out of more chores by suggesting he will sort them out ONLY if you do something extra.
So he can clean them up but he won't unless you use incentives...

He is not normal and you are not normal putting up with him, please tell us what medical condition causes his horrific toenails?

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:12

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 10:09

Shitty pants and long dirty toenails.... wow, that is just... wow.

Hot right?!

I literally said to him last night if we split up and you go on online dating you won't be mentioning the toe or pant issue. He was super keen to say no he wouldn't highlight them no. So l then query why do l have to live with them then?

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morbidd · 27/09/2023 13:14

Wtf are you doing with this man?

What the hell is wrong with women!??!? God the amount of revolting men I read about on here!!!!

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 13:14

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:12

Hot right?!

I literally said to him last night if we split up and you go on online dating you won't be mentioning the toe or pant issue. He was super keen to say no he wouldn't highlight them no. So l then query why do l have to live with them then?

He is being cruel to you, how can he expect you to find him in any way attractive when he is so filthy?
And he has the audacity to say you're mean expecting him to maintain basic levels of hygiene?!

Can you talk to his parents, shame him into sorting it out?

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:16

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 13:11

If it were a medical problem he would likely feel embarrassed about having shitty skidmarks and not want to subject them on you.
Instead he IS subjecting them on you and not only expecting you to deal with them but trying to bargin his way out of more chores by suggesting he will sort them out ONLY if you do something extra.
So he can clean them up but he won't unless you use incentives...

He is not normal and you are not normal putting up with him, please tell us what medical condition causes his horrific toenails?

My point exactly so it isn't a medical problem. Apparently l am not being "sensitive" enough about it all. Not sure how sensitive people can and will be about gross things that are accidents or impossible to resolve. E.g. l had norovirus a couple of years ago and accidentally shit myself. Total accident and a 1 off, literally never done it before or since. Norovirus is quite grim

The medical thing only extends as far as the bum thing. He's tried to pull the sensor card on the toenails which l shot down. He reckons he hates the sensation of short toenails.

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BumpyaDaisyevna · 27/09/2023 13:16

Urgh!

My DH has his faults god knows but he is not lazy and he is very clean!

You must have the ick big time!

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:18

Janieforever · 27/09/2023 10:52

That’s what I’m thinking it must be recent, so potentially depression or other mental health issues. No one would willingly have sex with someone like this. Not unless they also had issues, so op this is the key point. When did he start to decline to this stage?

amd is he trying to say you should reward him for personal hygiene with sexual favours.

i honestly feel nauseous just writing that. One of the grimmest things I’ve read but I do empathise if he is very unwell.

I don't think it is depression. More "this is the way l am and you need to accept it" is the vibe l get off him. Bad news is l don't accept it. Hence our disagreement last night

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Mmhmmn · 27/09/2023 13:19

@ohbuggar ”You don't need to fancy someone to have sex with them.”

You also don’t need to (and shouldn’t) have sex with someone you find repugnant.

Is this feeling really ever going to go away given how much he has let himself go and how low his personal hygiene standards are? You see his shitty pants on a regular basis and pick them up and put them in the wash? And are expected to still find him attractive? Jesus. No. No no no no no.

DP does his own washing. I recommend it.

Jonti23 · 27/09/2023 13:22

You’re wasting your time moaning to us about it, you have to face what ya got. Did you start staining these pants recently, and how would you have pre-created prior? Basically sounds to me like you have no tolerance of him, for whatever reason, which could be justified anyhow. It’s not how relationships work. Could you be in a mood because you’re a bit nervous about going back to work tomorrow? I wouldn’t procrastinate, I would actually face that and give up the moaning. If he was good enough to procreate with I would recommend sticking with him and probably trying to help him get motivated, whether it’s diet wise or hygiene, you are either a team or you’re not and you sound like you want out.

Mmhmmn · 27/09/2023 13:22

Plenty of depressed men still manage to clean and cut their nails and wipe their arse properly though.

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:23

millymog11 · 27/09/2023 11:51

If you have very young children with him it cannot be that long ago that his personal hygiene was dramatically different to the extent that your children were conceived?
That aside, just reading your posts makes me sooooo so so so so glad I am a single mum and its just me and the kids living here.

It has deteriorated for sure.

Not going to lie. I am envious of it just being you and the children!

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TheShinmeister · 27/09/2023 13:24

So he’s using skid marks as a trade off for you doing more around the house. Run a bath and chuck him in. Absolutely repulsive

Anothagoatthis · 27/09/2023 13:25

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:12

Hot right?!

I literally said to him last night if we split up and you go on online dating you won't be mentioning the toe or pant issue. He was super keen to say no he wouldn't highlight them no. So l then query why do l have to live with them then?

You make a good point. It’s sad he just sees it as he’s got you “locked down” and no longer needs to make an effort, whereas he knows if he had to start dating again any woman would run as soon as they clocked his dirty habits not to mention his disrespectful way of speaking.

He has poor personal hygiene, doesn’t pull his weight in the house and speaks to the to the wife and mother of his children like an idiot just to mention a few of his “highlights” he could add to a dating profile.

I appreciate it’s not always or easy or desirable just to walk out though, I don’t know what the answer is but I’d suggest you adopt a serious approach to this and make it clear that this can’t go on. He needs Tom know that there are real consequences for his continued disrespect and disregard of you.

Perhaps try and live as separately as possible in the house, until he sorts himself out. I couldn’t imagine being intimate with a man like this or touching any of his laundry.

INeedAnotherName · 27/09/2023 13:25

I would love to move out but can't afford my share of the mortgage (legally l would still need to pay it even if l moved out), plus rent elsewhere and bills.

So you need to sell the house. This can be court enforced if he refuses. Start the divorce process OP as there is a minimum of 20 weeks cooling off period between applying and starting it properly. It doesn't sound as if he will change and I actually think he's doing this deliberately to see how much he can get you to accept. He's humiliating you and enjoying your reaction.

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:26

FormerlyPathologicallyHappy · 27/09/2023 12:06

I think I’d be making that dream a reality!

Thats just disgusting.

Tempting. Annoying thing was l couldn't find any suitable flats or the sales would fall through

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AbbeyGailsParty · 27/09/2023 13:28

To do list:
Ditch husband
Buy dishwasher.

Seriously, refuse to wash or even touch his dirty clothes. Separate laundry basket lined with a bin bag. He can wash his own clothes.
Get a dishwasher.
To shame him I’d make a babyish sticker chart with his name in huge letters on the hall wall so everyone can see it.
If he’s depressed he sees his GP, tell him you’ll take him, after all he seems to want to be treated like a child.

SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 27/09/2023 13:30

Long black toenail and a shitstreaked arse?? I'm sitting eating my lunch and have had to put it down, this is absolutely vile. And as a pp said, it seems like he's looking for you to offer sexual favours in exchange for basic hygiene. This would be the end for me, it's disgusting, it really is.

BlueJeans501 · 27/09/2023 13:32

@Anothagoatthis one of my theories was the "locked down" one. I have been married before, he married me and then literally thought he could do what he wanted. Cue me divorcing him. So l have vocalised in my husbands presence that l am never ever going to be locked down into a relationship whether it is 30 years in or 8 months pregnant.

If there are no near immediate improvements then l am going to direct him to the box room which can just about fit a bed and draws in. I will remain in our bedroom. He has taken over the dining room as his office so the dining table is now in the kitchen. I am loathe for him to take over 2 of the biggest rooms in the house for his own personal use -he will not like this suggestion and want me to go in the box room. I am being realistic as house market is slow and we can't afford to buy each other out

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Freezingcoldinseptember · 27/09/2023 13:32

Start calling him Shrek. And moving his stuff into that shed for full time living.

Motnight · 27/09/2023 13:33

I could not tolerate being spoken to as an idiot by a man who is too stupid to wipe his own arse.

Awful.

fearfuloffluff · 27/09/2023 13:34

Call his bluff OP, make him a nice sticker chart with columns for wiping his arse, cutting his toenails and being a big boy

If he gets ten stickers in a week he gets a trip down to the local estate agent to look at bedsit rentals

eandz13 · 27/09/2023 13:38

I wish I hadn't read this whilst eating, the dirty minger

How on earth are his toenails black?! How does that happen?! My DP works on a building site and comes home daily with black hands and finger nails. His toenails are never dirty though!

Araminta1003 · 27/09/2023 13:39

OK well this is all quite typical marriage problems with young DC, money worries, transition issues (aka you going back to work). The post baby rut.

Marriage is really hard work and you both need to do your bit. He needs to sort out his hygiene, speak to you properly and do chores. Give him a long list on the fridge and make it clear you just don’t fancy him if he doesn’t do all of that. Because metrosexual nice smelling kind men are just infinitely more fanciable rather than smelly stroppy man-toddler husbands. He needs to make you feel appreciated, sexy and wanted if he wants his marital service. And if he does all of that, then you will make time for him? But you do need to be prepared to do the latter. Are you? Are you happy to give him some importance and not place him at the bottom of the pecking order way below the DC, work, home chores etc. Because that is mostly what men complain of as the reason to stop trying.

Go back to work positively, enjoy it, and do not do any extra chores at home. If the home rots, let it happen in the short term. If he does not pull his weight, kick him out.

TomatoSandwiches · 27/09/2023 13:41

Motnight · 27/09/2023 13:33

I could not tolerate being spoken to as an idiot by a man who is too stupid to wipe his own arse.

Awful.

Yes! Quite insulting.

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