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Views on a mystery from my past

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Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 11:37

This is a question about something that happened to me many, many, many years ago that's always sat on my mind and I stumbled across some letters today that brought it flooding back. It was all so strange so I'd like to know what people think really happened.

We met and fell in love. I'll admit I pored over every minute and can't think of anything that was off or wrong. With the benefit or hindsight and wisdom, we were just in love.

He was reliable, sensible, calm, soft, gentle and absolutely besotted with me and we moved in together after about eight months of dating. We both had children and our children bonded like best pals and it was the happiest time of my life.

I remember being a family. Family car. Family holidays. We used to laugh all the time and our sex life was electric. I felt calm, safe and happy. He proposed, after asking my Dad, and I was ecstatic to say yes.

Seemingly very suddenly, things started to get very stressful. He car accident and was quite injured and I thought he might die. He had a brain bleed they managed to get under control. His injuries were not terrible but he seemed not there for weeks after the accident. I was there, so ended up traumatised and started having really bad anxiety.

Around the same time a lot of things hit. Work issues. A few dramas. And it turned out (I didn't know until later), that he was in debt and had financial worries.

So around six months after, he just didn't come home one day. He kissed me goodbye one morning, I remember it so clearly because he was crying and I was asleep and didn't understand. Then he left and quite literally never came home again.

Me and the kids were given weeks to leave our house, and it was all just the biggest shock and so awful and he wouldn't speak to me. I had no idea what was happening or why it was happening.

He was incredibly cruel about it. Just left me and the kids without saying goodbye or letting me say goodbye to my step skids. It was so out of character and I had no idea why.

Eventually a while later we did see each other (to divvy up belongings and so on), and he was very unwell. I remember it was like he'd become someone else. Emotionally: alternating between hysterical crying and being eerily cold and staring into space. Physically: skinny, vomiting all the time, couldn't remember things.

It was the most bizarre experience ever. He said he'd had a breakdown and said he loved me but couldn't live with me and cited me having anxiety as the reason. I remember that not making sense. We were engaged. I'd only had anxiety a few months and it wasn't that bad. It didn't make any sense.

Then a few months passed of living separately with daily video chats. WhatsApp didn't exist back then, so we would text. I just found the phone this morning with all the texts and it was so weird to read them.

He wanted to message every day and speak, but he was cold like a robot and also hypersexual. Like abnormally, insanely hypersexual of all the things he wanted to do to me. You can see in the texts that I'm going along with it (I think I just wanted ANY intimacy at that point) but I was so desperately sad.

This man who'd seemed to love me beyond anything I'd ever experienced was just completely cold and detached and telling me all these pyrography fantasies.

He said to me that he'd had a breakdown. And I got him to the GP and he got antidepressants. He started taking them, and things got worse. He was even more cold and detached. It was eerie and so painful. I persuaded him to see a counsellor and he had his first session and said it made him feel better.

Reading over the texts was so uncomfortable. Like all his love for me was gone overnight. He was polite, cold and incredibly sexual and even all these years later I felt visceral pain reading them.

I went to stay him a while later (3 months after he'd left), and he was in a bad state. I remember just being so confused. It was like he had no emotions at all. Then he went to his second counselling session and came home and said "I don't love you anymore, sorry".

I remember just the complete bewilderment. Confusion. It was like an out of body experience. The next day he went to work and I checked his Internet history. He'd been googling how to pick up women, as well as prostitutes and sex websites. Not always, just the months we'd been apart.

I remember packing my bags and leaving that morning. I texted him to say what I'd found and to express the agony I was in. He said he'd been googling those things because he had lost a sense of himself and just wanted to feel normal. He said he thought he could feel love for me, but he couldn't, and it wasn't him, it was the breakdown.

I told him that nobody was happily in love and engaged and just woke up one day not feeling it anymore and that he'd never loved me at all if that was what happened. He replied saying "I did love you, you were my whole world". But he had no explanation over why he woke up one day and felt differently.

I left, and we only spoke again one more time.

He phoned me one evening about a year later. Very gently crying. He said his kids found a family photo and said they missed us, then he said to me "we were so happy, weren't we?" and I could hear the confusion in his voice. I said "yes" and that was all.

There was never another woman. Never any real explanation. I heard he battled mental health problems (maybe still is) and as far as I know never married.

I just stumbled on the old phone and texts today and reading them after all these years didn't make any more sense than it did back then.

What do you think really happened?

I barely think about it anymore, but it is hard in ways for me to make full sense of my life with thus puzzle always there in my subconscious.

Sometimes even now if I have a bad day or feel lost or scared or alone, I picture him in our happy house that felt so warm and safe. I can still picture his Pyjamas on the knob of the bed, or his grinning face when he was down on one knee or rolling along in the car with his hand reaching over to squeeze my leg while he smiled at me and the kids made up funny songs in the back.

That's my happy place and still is I suppose.

The way those eyes used to look at me like you could visceral feel the love coming out of them, and the overnight they were like dead fish. Soulless. Not even a tear on the day I left.

I'm not in pain. I accepted it.

I just want to know.... was it ever real?

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VivaLaVolvo · 21/09/2023 11:47

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Catsafterme · 21/09/2023 11:48

That sounds hard, sorry it didn't work out.

It's hard to say for sure obviously but I know from experience that having cognitive issues can be devastating and it can take a very long time to heal, if it ever does. The way it was with me, which wasn't through an accident but something else, I lost my identity completely.

It's hard to explain but perhaps similar to dementia but you are aware something isn't right, something is lost and you are now a blank slate. No memories of childhood or experiences, things that defined who you were.

Trauma, which I think was mine was, is also damaging and even now I have all my memories back, if that trauma or something happens that's stressful or close to the mark, it can be like a switch and it all goes again.

So yes it may have been real, he may have lost his identity like I did for years. I am back but not quite the same.

PurpleBrocadePeacock · 21/09/2023 11:50

I’m only guessing and working with what you’ve said but it sounds like it could have been a brain injury from the car accident.

You will probably never know the truth.

His rapid change of demeanour and instability must have been quite shocking for you.

Hoardasurass · 21/09/2023 11:52

Bleeding on the brain can cause brain damage which can result in personality changes depending on where the bleed was

ImaginaryCat · 21/09/2023 11:52

Did his accident involve a head injury? I once had a friend who came off his bike not wearing a helmet. After he recovered from his physical injuries he was a different person. He'd always adored his girlfriend but became cold towards her until one day he punched the wall. He'd never been violent before but now he was an absolute Jeckyll & Hyde. It was the most dramatic personality change I'd ever witnessed.

pickledandpuzzled · 21/09/2023 11:55

Brain injury. There's a long running thread here somewhere, after a man had a serious health issue and was ventilated and various serious things. He was quite different after, his poor wife.

Seaoftroubles · 21/09/2023 12:03

Yes, brain injury can cause what seems to be a complete personality change. So sorry for him and for you OP, l hope you were able to move on and find happiness.

BMW6 · 21/09/2023 12:05

100% brain injury. I've known a person go through a similar personality change after injury.

He was never the same.

BMW6 · 21/09/2023 12:06

BTW historians now think this happened to Henry VIII when he suffered brain damage after a jousting accident. Total personality change by all accounts at the time.

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:06

Yes, the car accident involved a head injury. Do you really think that's what it was?

Part of me has picked over the years together forensically. Looking for anything that might have been a sign.

I remember one time he told a friend of mine she looked hot and we had a huge fight.

I remember one time I was upset and he just went to bed instead of finishing the conversation.

This is about the worst things I can come up with and none of it ever seemed to quite fit right.

But all these years it's bothered me.

The fear that my happy place / best memories, were just not even real.

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firstmummy2019 · 21/09/2023 12:12

It happened to Fred West. He had a bike or motorcycle crash in his teens. A head injury. Friends and family his personality changed. Violent and lacking empathy.

W0tnow · 21/09/2023 12:13

I remember a thread years ago, by a woman with a partner who suffered a head injury after being clipped by the side mirror of a lorry. They weren’t married, which made things more complicated. He didn’t change overnight. More over weeks, months. But change he did, dramatically and for the worse. I felt dreadfully sorry for her. And some posters were quite cold iirc. Awful.

Mmhmmn · 21/09/2023 12:14

Going by the extent of the change, I also think physical brain injury producing behavioural change and potentially also psychological trauma from the car accident, near-death and hospital time. Really sad outcome for him and you, OP.

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:15

One thing that stands out for me was that I was at his house when he went for his second counselling session. He was obviously really unwell but he'd written me a card the day before, which I still have.

It said:

"Thank you for being there for me. I know it is hard for you to see me like this, as well as everything else you've had to deal with from this. I am in there somewhere. Thank you for not leaving x"

It was nothing like the lovey dovey cards he'd always sent me - still cold.

But I remember he went for his second counselling session and then just walked in the door and said he didn't love me anymore and wanted to continue with the split.

I remember I sat there crying in complete shock and he was almost smiling. Like a dead, weird, cold nothing.

It was so disturbing for me.

What happened in that counselling session? What was said? Was there something I didn't know? Something they know about this that nobody wanted to explain to me?

It was all just a complete trauma.

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NotDavidTennant · 21/09/2023 12:19

Inappropriate emotional responses can be a symptom of brain injury. Also a loss of sexual inhibitions.

I would guess his 'breakdown' was really the effects of his brain injury.

Bassetlover · 21/09/2023 12:20

Traumatic brain injuries can cause all sorts of personality changes, cognitive issues and mood/emotional dysregulation. I wonder if this is what triggered the change.

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:21

I remember a thread years ago, by a woman with a partner who suffered a head injury after being clipped by the side mirror of a lorry. They weren’t married, which made things more complicated. He didn’t change overnight. More over weeks, months. But change he did, dramatically and for the worse. I felt dreadfully sorry for her. And some posters were quite cold iirc. Awful

He didn't change overnight either.

The first three months after he was mentally impaired (memory, cognition etc.) But emotionally he was the same.

In months 3 to 8 afterwards, he was still him. Just odd. I can't explain. He started being a bit reckless. Panicked sometimes. Just different.

The snap came 8 months later and I've got no way I can ever describe it but it was like a completely different person that overnight didn't care about me or our family at all.

I don't know, haven't known, how to grieve properly because I genuinely don't know if my life was real and something really weird happened- or if my whole life wasn't real.

This has come up now, as I'm going through a breakdown of a relationship of similar length and meaning. The only other one I've ever had.

The guy is devastated. Crying. Fighting for us. Everything you'd expect. It's brought back to me the confusion and trauma of having someone just switch off.

No grief. No discussion. Just a blank page where everything was.

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HerculesTheBercules · 21/09/2023 12:22

I would say brain injury and post traumatic trauma leading to a breakdown

Opentooffers · 21/09/2023 12:22

My first thought was the brain injury. You mention it, but then somehow seem mistyfied that his personality suddenly changed after the accident. " You don't suddenly wake up one day..." Well, yes you do after a brain injury, exactly that can happen.
However, it's also notable that you fell in love fast and bended your families very fast by moving in after only 8 months. That suggests a possible element of love bombing from the start, and that maybe you didn't know him as well as you thought, given that he hid debt from you.

It's all in the past now though hopefully, and whatever the reason, its good it ended and you got away. Probably too late now, and should just let it lie, but his ex would maybe have been able to shed more insight into how much was the accident vs how he was before with her. Either way, he is what he is.

babysharkdoodoodedoodedoo · 21/09/2023 12:24

Almost definitely a brain injury. They can change you beyond recognition and cause serious mental health issues as well as the other issues your described like confusion and vomiting. So sad to read this. It’s almost painful to read just imagining the situation so I can’t even imagine how it feels for you. I think it was real. That makes it even sadder 😞

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:37

However, it's also notable that you fell in love fast and bended your families very fast by moving in after only 8 months. That suggests a possible element of love bombing from the start, and that maybe you didn't know him as well as you thought, given that he hid debt from you

This is exactly what I pick apart.

He fell in love very fast.

He was so besotted.

So I wonder a lot if it was all real.

But he really was so ill. He really did lose buckets of weight and throw up and act in ways that hurt the children. None of that correlates with a normal scenario where you've just been duped.

Then my brain kind of flicks in this eternal loop. It's so hard to make peace with the past if no one ever tells you what the past is.

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tattygrl · 21/09/2023 12:37

Bless you. How horribly traumatic. It was very touching and heartbreaking to read your articulately written story.

I agree with PPs - it sounds very much indeed like the effects of a head injury. Terribly devastating and frightening.

Have you had counselling yourself, since, to deal with what happened? And, as you say, and as I can well understand, the difficulty it has caused you in "making sense of your life"?

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:39

his ex would maybe have been able to shed more insight into how much was the accident vs how he was before with her

I know her, we were friendly. Very amicable divorce. He never did anything remotely like this and behaved completely normally as you'd expect during their divorce. This behaviour was nothing he'd ever remotely expressed before.

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ValerieDoonican · 21/09/2023 12:39

Yes indeed I know of at least two cases where this happened. In both cases the men became unpleasant and very hard to live with - not "themselves" at all. I think in fact both guys died, and their wives were actually glad that they had both been released, as it were.

It may also be that he had another smaller bleed (or clot), undetected, months after the first one that compounded the damage.

I think what you had was real, but a tragic accident took him away from you, and left you with a confusing shell of him. It must have been awful to live through but I doubt very much he had any real say in his behaviour. Its a very sad story but you have to put it in the past as the consequences of a tragic accident I think.

Leaveyourkeys · 21/09/2023 12:44

Have you had counselling yourself, since, to deal with what happened?

Years ago, yes. I managed to heal and get on with life.

There's just a peace of me inside that yearns to go home. Just to walk into our house and see him reading the paper at the breakfast bar and see the kids shoes in a pile by the door.

Sometimes when I feel really alone I imagine we are home and I'm walking through the house with everyone asleep. Poking my head into each kids door and listening to their breathing and just feeling home.

Then it's hard to remember because what if it wasn't real? What if, like PP said, I was "love bombed" and he just realised I wasn't the one and was a complete coward about it?

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