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What was the reason your children stopped seeing/speaking to their father?

56 replies

DilemmaEmma2 · 19/09/2023 10:43

I've seen lots of threads on here about children losing contact with their fathers or not wanting to see them anymore.
I have a 5 year old and I am wishing the time away that she can vote with her feet, her father is vile and abusive (has been to us both)
What was the reason your children stopped seeing their father?

OP posts:
toomanyleggings · 19/09/2023 10:47

my dd’s dad said that he wanted to have contact with her when she was older. 8 years later he still doesn’t bother

vodkaredbullgirl · 19/09/2023 10:49

Well with mine my ex had moved over 200 miles away. He saw them for until they were teens, eldest was 15 and other was 13 when they actually saw him. They do keep in touch via text but neither of them can be bothered much. They are now 25 and 23.

Empra123 · 19/09/2023 10:55

He wasn't very interested in them when he was living with them so they're not interested in him now. Ironically I'm sure he'd love to see them now but that ship has sailed.

piscofrisco · 19/09/2023 10:56

Mine are in the process of stopping speaking to their Father. He insists on them spending time with his girlfriend and her kids and they don't like her, or them. And as late teenagers the worst thing you can do is force them to do something they've said ad finitum they don't want to do.
He would be better if he introduced them more gradually and organically rather than saying, 'right we are going to be one big family now', because that has got their backs up from the get go.
I've told them they need to be polite, and wear it, but other than that I'm staying out of it-not my circus, not my monkeys.

crackofdoom · 19/09/2023 11:03

DS1 is the product of a very brief relationship with an abusive and highly unreliable man. After his abandonment of us when DS was a newborn, I refused to engage with any demands of his to see DS until we had attended mediation together and drawn up a formal contact agreement.

He finally agreed when DS was 4. The agreement was that he would initially see DS for an hour a week, with the time to be gradually increased as they got to know each other. He turned up for the first 2 sessions, then disappeared for 6 months. When he reemerged I told him to fuck off.

Subsequent events involving his other DC have taught me that I very much made the right decision.
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Ceraunophile · 19/09/2023 11:04

He moved away and never called when he said he would. He’d text me with a time and the kids would be sat on Skype waiting for him for hours while he ignored my messages until they eventually gave up.
He moved closer again and didn’t try to see them for 6 months, saw them once then didn’t try again for a year.
One of mine has suffered terribly with this and has decided to draw a line and not have any contact at all rather than waiting for scraps. Has also remembered various things from childhood and realised they are not ok when looking at them through more adult eyes. The other is less emotionally invested and is happy to see him occasionally without having any more of a relationship

Ceraunophile · 19/09/2023 11:06

To add mine are now mid/late teens and I’ve raised them without any input (financial or physical) from their dad since they were toddler/preschool age.

ThelmaBorden · 19/09/2023 11:16

Empra123 · 19/09/2023 10:55

He wasn't very interested in them when he was living with them so they're not interested in him now. Ironically I'm sure he'd love to see them now but that ship has sailed.

Same situation here - I advised my dc to have no expectations of him whatsoever,
so deflecting disappointment.

The worst time was hearing comments from people who decided I was wicked removing children from their father as though I was wrenching them away from a happy home.
Whenever I read/hear that children need a father it makes me wince.

spanieleyes · 19/09/2023 11:19

My ex moved over five THOUSAND miles away so they can't exactly pop to see him. Growing up, he saw them once a year, now not often even that. The eldest maintains contact via email every now and again( birthdays and Xmas) the youngest will reply if he gets a message, won't bother if he doesn't.

AceofPentacles · 19/09/2023 11:20

His mum died so he was no longer obligated to pretend to have a relationship with DS.

thisisasurvivor · 19/09/2023 11:23

He assaulted her when she was small and tried to choke me to death one morning when she was next door

Hope he Rots in hell

Dread to think of the other kids he may have and what he may do to them 👎👎🤬🤬🤬🤬

DilemmaEmma2 · 19/09/2023 11:28

thisisasurvivor · 19/09/2023 11:23

He assaulted her when she was small and tried to choke me to death one morning when she was next door

Hope he Rots in hell

Dread to think of the other kids he may have and what he may do to them 👎👎🤬🤬🤬🤬

Please tell me the court ordered no contact????

OP posts:
thisisasurvivor · 19/09/2023 11:29

We went through criminal court

And we got a non mol order

Can't say more could be too outing but my god I never had experienced violence like it

Sorry to all the other families who suffer at the hands of these men

I should have fled when he fist assaulted me at 6 weeks pregnant
I was too afraid like so many others xxxx

DilemmaEmma2 · 19/09/2023 11:40

That's awful :(

OP posts:
ThelmaBorden · 19/09/2023 11:43

I cannot remember where I recently read this, so no link, sorry -
that a high percentage - 78% of fathers lose contact with their
biological children after two years, or two birthdays/Christmas

and/or as is often the case when separated/divorced husband takes
up permanently with a new partner/family, (as though his own wasn’t
good enough, wondering why ex ‘turns bitter’ ) or when husband
accepts/applies for a post in another part of the country or
indeed other country, limited contact being a natural consequence
of this decision.

Children will flourish when the source of anxiety, stress, violence,
be that physical, emotional, is removed, ensuring relief,
a quiet harmonious house, friends round, pets, happier mother,
no more forced visits to mean grandma, ridiculed, friends mocked,
shouted at, prevented from doing things, children really decide.

thisisasurvivor · 19/09/2023 11:44

ThelmaBorden · 19/09/2023 11:43

I cannot remember where I recently read this, so no link, sorry -
that a high percentage - 78% of fathers lose contact with their
biological children after two years, or two birthdays/Christmas

and/or as is often the case when separated/divorced husband takes
up permanently with a new partner/family, (as though his own wasn’t
good enough, wondering why ex ‘turns bitter’ ) or when husband
accepts/applies for a post in another part of the country or
indeed other country, limited contact being a natural consequence
of this decision.

Children will flourish when the source of anxiety, stress, violence,
be that physical, emotional, is removed, ensuring relief,
a quiet harmonious house, friends round, pets, happier mother,
no more forced visits to mean grandma, ridiculed, friends mocked,
shouted at, prevented from doing things, children really decide.

Oh my god yesssssss definitely

Toomanysquishmallows · 19/09/2023 12:03

My ex stopped seeing dd1 when she was 5 , we split when she was 3 months old , as he had an affair . He had a child with his new partner ( the ow) and started seeing dd1 less , he last saw her when she was 5 , she is now 24 . She has been bought up by me and dp who I have been with for 20 years.

letmeeatcrisps · 19/09/2023 12:57

ThelmaBorden · 19/09/2023 11:16

Same situation here - I advised my dc to have no expectations of him whatsoever,
so deflecting disappointment.

The worst time was hearing comments from people who decided I was wicked removing children from their father as though I was wrenching them away from a happy home.
Whenever I read/hear that children need a father it makes me wince.

Yes, this, I have stopped talking to multiple friends who patronisingly say “but children need their dad / he’s still their father”
after disclosing that he physically and psychologically tortured me for years, including while pregnant and recovering from childbirth. What makes anyone think that a child is better off around that? Why are people so smugly tone deaf about the realities of protecting children from abuse? I think people assume if you’re not a sobbing wreck all the time that it wasn’t that bad? Idk. Sorry. Off topic a bit. I appreciate your post as have been struggling with this recently.

OP my kids are 1 and 3 so I’ve got a long way to go before they are able to see him for what he is… I am trying to ensure they have a positive image of their dad while also maintaining enough boundaries that his abusive behaviour doesn’t fuck them up. It’s really hard. Solidarity x

DilemmaEmma2 · 19/09/2023 12:58

letmeeatcrisps · 19/09/2023 12:57

Yes, this, I have stopped talking to multiple friends who patronisingly say “but children need their dad / he’s still their father”
after disclosing that he physically and psychologically tortured me for years, including while pregnant and recovering from childbirth. What makes anyone think that a child is better off around that? Why are people so smugly tone deaf about the realities of protecting children from abuse? I think people assume if you’re not a sobbing wreck all the time that it wasn’t that bad? Idk. Sorry. Off topic a bit. I appreciate your post as have been struggling with this recently.

OP my kids are 1 and 3 so I’ve got a long way to go before they are able to see him for what he is… I am trying to ensure they have a positive image of their dad while also maintaining enough boundaries that his abusive behaviour doesn’t fuck them up. It’s really hard. Solidarity x

Sounds tough :(
What contact does he have now? My daughter is nearly 5. x

OP posts:
TickingKey46 · 19/09/2023 13:03

Th courts granted a no contact order. Kids do miss him but they are safe.

ElfDragon · 19/09/2023 13:09

Mine all have varying degrees of disability.

eldest sees exH the most. Wants to see him, but also can’t cope with needs not being met, and so finds it stressful, which we (me and other dc) then have to help work through. Has had times of stopping contact.

middle doesn’t see exH at all. Managed about a year after he moved out, but has stopped since then. Can’t cope with how he treats eldest, and the knock on effect of how we have to mop up eldest’s tears when it all goes wrong.

youngest goes maybe 50% of the time. Is starting to realise that a lot of eldest’s issues are worse when at exH’s house, and now that youngest is getting older also recognises that this isn’t eldest’s fault. I can’t see this situation getting better, so I expect youngest will end up like middle dc and not go at all.

we have been separated 6 years.

Caswallonthefox · 19/09/2023 13:46

When I divorced my ex, he decided it was too emotionally draining to see his then, 3 year old son. This was stated in the paperwork.
When my ds was 11 I had severe mental health issues and social services got involved, they tried to get him to see the man over a 2 year period until ds told them he would only see him if he was behind bars.
Sperm donor was mentally abusive to me and physically abusive to ds.

HipTightOnions · 19/09/2023 13:50

He remarried and moved away, then made excuses to see them less and less. He's now divorced and would love to see them, but they are adult, understand how he treated them and are not interested.

GingerIsBest · 19/09/2023 14:00

I have adult friends with no contact with their fathers. Usually it's because the dad disappeared when they were young and then by the time they reappeared, it was too late and my friends' view was that they can't be bothered / don't trust him / don't like him.

My dad refused to go to his father's funeral in another country on the basis that he'd had no relationships with him alive, why would be want to pretend when he was dead?

@ThelmaBorden that's really interesting. A friend is going through EXACTLY this right now. Just gone past her DC's second post-divorce birthday. He attended (with a long face), turned up for a few contact visits afterwards and has been MIA ever since.

ThelmaBorden · 19/09/2023 14:45

letmeeatcrisps · 19/09/2023 12:57

Yes, this, I have stopped talking to multiple friends who patronisingly say “but children need their dad / he’s still their father”
after disclosing that he physically and psychologically tortured me for years, including while pregnant and recovering from childbirth. What makes anyone think that a child is better off around that? Why are people so smugly tone deaf about the realities of protecting children from abuse? I think people assume if you’re not a sobbing wreck all the time that it wasn’t that bad? Idk. Sorry. Off topic a bit. I appreciate your post as have been struggling with this recently.

OP my kids are 1 and 3 so I’ve got a long way to go before they are able to see him for what he is… I am trying to ensure they have a positive image of their dad while also maintaining enough boundaries that his abusive behaviour doesn’t fuck them up. It’s really hard. Solidarity x

I heard exactly the same, from surprising sources, quite shocking really, my own mother said - “ no man is going to take you on now with 3 children” which I found most offensive of all, saying, you should abide and learn to live with the abuse whilst not imagining that a woman can manage without a man.

when ‘husband’ drove off from our large ‘family home’ leaving me to clean, empty garage, sort everything out, I could see in the hall mirror that he was smirking.

No nosey neighbour, ‘friend’ aunty I hadn’t seen for 15 years saw that, did they. Duper’s delight.

We bought our own safe house, managed fine, ate less meat, a no shouting household, blissful.

He then wanted to see his children in our home! dragged me through courts,
said the most horrendous things, brought up instances of my family dynamic,
dirty stuff, after I said we will divorce after two years separation, so that no specific reasons will be given.

I said, my children can see their father whenever they wish - that they didn’t
was his fault not mine.
Control is what he wanted
He stopped work so he didn’t have to pay maintenance, not understanding the
purpose of a Clean Break Settlement.
The most despicable thing he did was stop paying £6 A MONTH life insurance
whilst we were still legally married, saying, well if I die, you lot will get all this money,
with 3 children of school age, all responsibility dissolved, but which is a feature of masculine resentment women should be aware of and prepared for.

Then he wouldn’t sign divorce papers until my solicitor wrote to him directly.

Once the dust has settled I wondered how I ever came to be associated with this
worthless man. The children were ahead of me in this, monosyllabic, sullen, an awful time, spending more time at friends homes, didn’t want to go on holiday,
to grandmas house, pleaded not to let him anywhere near school parents evenings, they were wiser than me, knew earlier on we were pissing into the wind, until, emboldened by my fighting back at last, they began to articulate their feelings, observations, anxieties, conclusions.
Our removal was absolutely child driven, which no outsider would see or comprehend.
Its hard when everyone is telling you what a great guy he is, you made your bed,
on and on…

I finally drove away from that large unhappy house, my precious cargo quiet,
with an overpowering feeling of liberation which has never left me, nor my now grown children with children of their own, in happy respectful partnerships, an
immense relief.

Best wishes all ladies going through it, or out the other side, contemplating.
Take care, have a plan, be safe, harken to your children, as they know.

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