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I’ve just discovered that DH has a shitload of credit card debt 😲😲

103 replies

0lga · 15/09/2023 00:32

I will try to explain properly but I’m just reeling in shock.

We are in the process of separating and divorcing, he has already moved out. He left boxes of stuff, old clothes in bin bags etc for me to dispose of (that’s typical of him, he still thinks I’m his servant). I shoved them in a cupboard and ignored them, until this week when I started to sort them out to take to the recycling.

Among all the rubbish I found bags of old bank statements and I’ve just spent hours going through them. I’ve discovered that ever since we got married, he has been spending a huge amount of money on credit card payments . I’m talking about £30,000 a year 😡😡😡

To put this in context, we had a good income of about £ 90,000 net between us. I earn about £30,000 and he earns about £60,000. So we are comfortable, can pay the bills, run a car, go abroad each year on holiday, pay a good amount into our pensions etc. I thought the only debt we had was our mortgage, which is nearly paid off.

( These aren’t the exact figures BTW, I’ve just rounded things to make it easier to talk about ).

It turns out he has been lying to me for our whole marriage - in fact he earns £90,000 not £60,000 and has been spending the difference on about a dozen credit cards. I don’t have the card statements, only his bank statements, so I don’t know what he’s spent it on.

He’s always been very secretive about money. I’ve never seen any of his own financial details, we both get our salaries paid into our own accounts and then pay into a joint account which we use for all the bills and we’ve always had enough , so it was never an issue IYSWIM.

And now I know why the bastard has been so secretive. I’m absolutely raging, I can’t get over how much money this is that he’s thrown away.

Im assuming that he’s paying off old debts, as the payments for each card are pretty much identical each month. But I know fuck all about credit cards - I have only one which I hardly every use and if I do I pay it off in full by DD each month. So my payments are different amounts each month.

I just can’t compute that he’s paying roughly the same than I earn each year and the debt doesn’t seem to go away. And he’s been doing this for nearly 20 years !!!

I have no idea how he got into this debt but I can see he had it when we got married.

And I’ve even less idea why he has gone on buying himself new cars every few years and the newest iPhone / MacBook when he has all this debt. It makes zero sense to me.

There’s no point in asking him, he will refuse to discuss it and walk out. Or just lie to my face , like he did about his affair. Even when I had cast iron proof.

He was still swearing on his kids life that she was “ just a colleague “ and telling me that I was paranoid when she had already admitted to me that it had been going on for years.

So we are not exactly on speaking terms before this.

Please help me, I want to kill him 🤬

OP posts:
JimnJoyce · 17/09/2023 22:00

what a sleaze he is

slavetoendo · 17/09/2023 22:36

Get a Forensic Accountant.

SunflowersAndSmellyTrainers · 17/09/2023 22:43

Gambling?

Keepitweird · 17/09/2023 22:47

Mind if I ask how old the statements are? Egg doesn't exist any more it was taken over by Barclaycard (I know cos I have two Barclaycard credit cards as a result lol).

I divorced over 10 years ago now and the debt was all in my name (a fairly significant amount) since my ex bastard was a self employed waster despite him benefitting significantly from what the overall credit was spent on.

He still would've been on the hook for it though since we had what was termed as a long marriage at that point so you do need to try to protect yourself as far as possible esp if this was pre marital debt no matter how long you've been married. (Some of mine was pre marital but whilst cohabiting so got counted given we were together so long - actually I was just awful with money for a while).

In the end I kept my debt (I totally viewed about a third of it as 'my' debt but accepted the lot - which grated a LOT) but in return he relinquished any claim to my pension (15 years of final salary based) given I knew he had feck all pension wise and I also knew I could sort the debt eventually - next year I'll be clear.

I'd go after him for all you can whilst also trying to protect yourself from this unknown debt - need to watch for creditors putting a charge on the house (my ex bastard managed to forge my signature for one on our then marital home) and see if you can do a credit check for tied/associated finances to make sure he's not put you as a secondary cardholder etc which would potentially imply to courts that you were aware of the debts and potentially facilitating them x

AcrossthePond55 · 18/09/2023 00:02

You need a super SHL and a good forensic accountant. And it'll be worth the money you spend on them.

socialdilemmawhattodo · 18/09/2023 00:48

As part of the various financial court documents you both need to provide details of your accounts. The normal request is for 12 months worth of statements. I checked every single entry of my ex's- you may find in there an entry out to another financial organisation where that account hasnt been disclosed. The court request should also include details of any account closed in the last 12 months. Worth asking for longer time period of statements if you can demonstrate poor financial practices going on for longer.

0lga · 18/09/2023 01:27

Keepitweird · 17/09/2023 22:47

Mind if I ask how old the statements are? Egg doesn't exist any more it was taken over by Barclaycard (I know cos I have two Barclaycard credit cards as a result lol).

I divorced over 10 years ago now and the debt was all in my name (a fairly significant amount) since my ex bastard was a self employed waster despite him benefitting significantly from what the overall credit was spent on.

He still would've been on the hook for it though since we had what was termed as a long marriage at that point so you do need to try to protect yourself as far as possible esp if this was pre marital debt no matter how long you've been married. (Some of mine was pre marital but whilst cohabiting so got counted given we were together so long - actually I was just awful with money for a while).

In the end I kept my debt (I totally viewed about a third of it as 'my' debt but accepted the lot - which grated a LOT) but in return he relinquished any claim to my pension (15 years of final salary based) given I knew he had feck all pension wise and I also knew I could sort the debt eventually - next year I'll be clear.

I'd go after him for all you can whilst also trying to protect yourself from this unknown debt - need to watch for creditors putting a charge on the house (my ex bastard managed to forge my signature for one on our then marital home) and see if you can do a credit check for tied/associated finances to make sure he's not put you as a secondary cardholder etc which would potentially imply to courts that you were aware of the debts and potentially facilitating them x

That seems so unfair that you got left with all the debt! Im guessing it’s a lot if it’s taken you 10n years to clear it, that must have been quite a financial burden.

well done on keeping your pension.

I will do credit checks tomorrow.

OP posts:
OhamIreally · 19/09/2023 08:52

How did you get on with the credit checks OP?

outdooryone · 06/10/2023 16:39

@0lga - how did you get on with this?

0lga · 06/10/2023 17:56

nothing came up on my own credit checks and I couldn’t pass security to run any on him. Not that I would done that of course as it’s totally illegal.

I’ve been doing a lot more digging and have other evidence that strongly suggests that it’s NOT debt . It’s either stoozing or just laundering matrimonial assets to make them look non matrimonial. Apparently it’s called layering.

OP posts:
Weenurse · 07/10/2023 03:38

So what is your plan now?

0lga · 07/10/2023 09:11

Same plan as before - I’m in the middle of divorcing him and I have asked my solicitors to try to uncover more information about what this money was used for.

If it was for drugs / gambling / another OW then it’s irrelevant to the divorce.

If he used it to buy an asset that still exists AND I can find it then it’s a matrimonial asset.

I hear what PP have said about getting a SHL but I think I’m too far into the divorce to change now. So I’m trying to be more assertive with the one I have now.

OP posts:
Gettingbysomehow · 07/10/2023 09:24

Sounds to me OP that this is not the time for you to be mad but time to get the champagne out and celebrate your divorce.
My ex husband did all of this and more but didn't earn shit.
Thank God he walked out to be with his latest woman when he did or I would have been fucked.
He was relying on the divorce settlement to pay off all his debts so he could start racking up credit cards again but the poor sap didn't realise he'd get nothing in the divorce as I owned the house and savings before we were married and he was not therefore entitled to claim any of it despite us being married for 15 years, together for 5.
So now he has nothing and also has a big solicitors bill.
After the divorce was awarded and he got nothing he actually tried telling me he was sorry and had made a huge mistake and wanted to come home.
Men like this are a two a penny waste of space, go celebrate your good fortune in getting rid of him.

rainbowstardrops · 07/10/2023 09:44

What an absolute arse he is! A complete conman from start to finish. I hope you get the information that you need.

HeathrowQuestion · 07/10/2023 09:49

Oh no, please get a better lawyer and a forensic accountant, please don’t go with the sunk costs solicitor thing. The current one sounds absolutely shit and this guy should be taken to the cleaners.

unbelieveable22 · 07/10/2023 10:16

Listen to what others have said - get a forensic accountant even if you are not prepared to change your lawyer.
Whatever he has been doing seems complex and needs someone with expertise to solve.

Weenurse · 07/10/2023 11:00

Agree to the forensic accountant, even if you won’t change lawyers, but also agree that changing lawyers would be a good idea.
Good Luck

Heelenahandbasket · 07/10/2023 11:15

0lga · 15/09/2023 02:45

I know( hope ) I’m probably not liable for the debt.

But he’s wasted £600,000 of our money on it - why would I not care about it ? That’s a phenomenal amount of money to me !

I’ve been paying a third ( actually a bit more ) of all our bills for twenty years because I earn a third of our income. Except I don’t.

I had to use up some of my savings to pay for my maternity leave because he couldn’t afford to pay the bills himself . Except he could if he wasn’t paying £2,500 / month on debts .

Ive used up more of my savings to pay for work on the house that he couldn’t afford to . Expect he could .

most of my money has gone on “ us “ - Running our house and kids. The house that he will get half of.

most of his money has gone on him , his personal spends and his debts.

I’ve been subsidising him for years as well as doing 90% of all the parenting and housework.

Cant you see why this is an issue for me @Whatswhatwhichiswhich ?

what did he spend the money on though? The debt will likely be taken into account as part of the assets and liabilities of you both when divorcing. If he had debt to pay, he didn’t have these funds available to him.

0lga · 07/10/2023 11:45

@Heelenahandbasket it wasn’t debt, which I thought it was at first,

It was borrowing money to buy things and then paying back the debt from joint funds . I don’t know what he spent it on as I don’t have the credit card statements . That’s the issue.

OP posts:
OhamIreally · 07/10/2023 13:50

Agree you should get a forensic accountant. If he's spent £600,000 over the years that could be in assets that would seriously boost your retirement. He's not that clever as he's left a paper trail that you've been able to follow without too much effort so a trained professional should have no problem.

Divorce is a one time only thing no backsies so you have to be brave otherwise you will regret it.

Heelenahandbasket · 07/10/2023 14:03

0lga · 07/10/2023 11:45

@Heelenahandbasket it wasn’t debt, which I thought it was at first,

It was borrowing money to buy things and then paying back the debt from joint funds . I don’t know what he spent it on as I don’t have the credit card statements . That’s the issue.

Fair enough - I suppose the issue is hidden assets then. Re the pension assets, you can ask for statements and he will have to declare assets and liabilities on form E.

determinedtomakethiswork · 07/10/2023 15:26

Another one recommending you contact a forensic accountant immediately. What a fucking weasel that man is.

Wallywobbles · 07/10/2023 17:58

2 things.

It's never too late to change lawyers. I've had 4.

Hire a forensic accountant. And

PaminaMozart · 07/10/2023 18:07

Why are you so timid, @0lga ?

If ever there's a time to be brave, this is it.

At least TALK to a forensic accountant. It'll be worth the fee, I guarantee you.

triballeader · 07/10/2023 22:06

A mum friend I knew ended up having to hire a forensic accountant to search for all the matrimonial assets that had seemingly vanished in a poof of smoke. he had been planning for many months and claiming he could not pay for household bills. The courts agreed with the forensic accountant and ruled in her favour and she got back enough to be very comfortable. Could this be a possible option if you can fund it and a sizeable chunk of matrimonial assets money has seemingly vanished?