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Is it me, or does this make it hopeless?

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Blindedbyit · 12/09/2023 15:51

My boyfriend cheated on me some time ago. We split up for a long time, during which he was pretty clearly extremely regretful. He worked his way back and I gave him another chance.

The relationship is good, he did everything I asked, I don't think he'd ever cheat again, the trust is rebuilt. If anything, he is a much better boyfriend than he was before.

The problem is that after three years, where we've read every book, talked heaps, supposedly learned and grown, I still don't think he gets it.

As in, I think he doesn't truly hold himself accountable.

We had a long and unrelated discussion a few days ago because he'd been reading up online after something I'd said and he thinks he has an "external locus of control". Meaning he has a complete blindness to believing he has power over his life.

This is evident in every aspect of his life. He thinks life just happens to you. He doesn't think you can control it by doing or not doing things.

As an example, he might get an illness and instead of being proactive about getting treatment, he will just sort of feel sorry for himself.

This is kind of fine generally, as we have complimentary skills so I encourage him to do things he needs to do and he helps me in other ways.

However! He genuinely believes his cheating was just a cosmic accident. That if his office had hired a male colleague instead of a female one, that he'd never have done what he did.

This makes me pretty raging.

There was a long series of decisions that led to him cheating. A very long and unpleasant set of really shit and wrong decisions that he made. And I feel like although he freely admits that, and wouldn't make the same choices now, he still ultimately believes it would never have happened if that particular person wasn't put in his path.

I feel like this is him not really getting 101 on cheating, because you need to understand its yourself that chose it.

Is it me?

OP posts:
SpringIntoChaos · 13/09/2023 07:00

I would find his 'lack of agency' a huge turn off. In all respects. It's so weak!! I can't stand this kind of 'poor me, I have no control' weakness.

We all have agency...he's pathetic.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/09/2023 18:10

Blindedbyit · 12/09/2023 16:22

Well basically it was during lockdown, his office put key people in a bubble in London in a shared flat, so he was away for a few months and working with / living with this woman.

They ended up chatting constantly because he couldn't go anywhere and then alcohol and bad choices.

I can see they're obviously really unusual circumstances, but he keeps saying if they'd put him in with a man it would never have happened.

I feel like this misses out a HUGE number of choices.

For example:

He clearly knew she had a big crush on him and he failed to mention he had a partner and just let her roll with it (obviously because he liked it)

He clearly knew she was making moves on him and chose not to tell me.

He chose to get drunk with her, alone.

These are all monumentally HIS responsibility but he seems to think he almost had no choice

I agree with you entirely I would be fuming.

It also wouldn't fill me with confidence that the universe won't send another accidental affair his way again...

perfectcolourfound · 13/09/2023 19:09

I don't think I could ever trust him again, because a) he doesn't think he's in control of his actions, so he can't promise to never do it again, and b) he hasn't properly apologised ('I'm really sorry but it wasn't my choice').

This will no doubt leech in to other areas of his life as well, in the future if not already 'I lost my job because xxx told on me', 'I lost a friend because they can't take a joke', 'I got drunk again because my mates kept buying me drinks', 'I'm four hour late for our date because I was invited for drinks after work', 'I forgot to get the food shop because there was something really good on the TV', 'I didn't do any housework because you didn't tell me I should'.

Daleksatemyshed · 13/09/2023 20:06

I can see why this plays on your mind Op, basically he's changed a lot to stop this happening again but he's still making it someone else's fault. If he meets someone else who ignores your picture on his Whatsapp and chases him regardless will it all be her fault if he gives in? He's responsible for his own choices and until he admits that I don't see how you can trust him. He reminds me of a small boy left alone with a big bag of sweets, he's not to blame if he eats them, after all you shouldn't have left him alone with them

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/09/2023 20:06

Blindedbyit · 12/09/2023 17:23

@category12

Yes! It does take effort. We texted all day and video chatted every night so it's obviously a deliberate choice not to mention me. Almost an effort to conceal me.

Obviously after something like this you believe the worst. You don't trust anything someone says, but I honestly dont believe he was angling to shag her.

I know him very well. She's not AT ALL his type. There's plenty of gorgeous, clever women at his work and I know she falls into a category he'd usually find actively unattractive.

I think what was going on is that she was extremely forward, made it crystal clear she was besotted in a way most people would be far too embarrassed to do and I think it made him feel great.

Gosh this description is exactly who my long term fiancé in my 20s cheated on me with- thank you for putting that into words so clearly it was actually quite healing reading that!!

It's quite similar to when you see who footballers and actors cheat on their stunning and successful wives with. Why are they so cliché 😢

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 13/09/2023 20:08

Op I think you're gettin forwards the territory of Rachel and Ross in friends where she writes him that long letter that he has to agree to before she can get back together with him, when they're on holiday, have you seen that episode? Might be a good one to watch (with him?)

RandomForest · 14/09/2023 02:57

Oh, just shag somebody else and tell him it's a cosmic accident.

Off you go.

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