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Is my husband being unreasonable - grandparent input

57 replies

Periclymenum · 12/08/2023 04:15

Yesterday my 3 young kids and I went to my parents’ house for a family birthday celebration. My husband joined us later. As he arrived my 2 oldest kids were riding their bikes in the drive with my dad. My mum then put a bike helmet on my 2 yr old as she’d asked me earlier if he’d like to try an old balance bike they have at their house - I’d agreed. He wandered around with it between his legs a bit - didn’t really get the idea 😂 but had fun anyway.

I walked to where my husband was further down the drive, expecting him to be enjoying the moment too. He seemed emotional but was smiling slightly, and said ‘I can’t believe this. I feel disengaged from my own kids…This isn’t making me feel like a very good parent’. I said, assuming he just needed some reassuring - ‘ah it’s okay, we don’t have this kind of (any!) flat driveway space at home to ride bikes’. He said, ‘NO, we can go to the park’. Then seemingly out of nowhere he cruelly and coldly said ‘they’re both meatheads aren’t they’…I actually said, ‘who are meatheads?’ as I was so taken-aback. I had to walk away from him as I knew I’d get upset, so I went inside the house. He followed a minute later carrying our youngest inside, saying ‘I had to take him in, it was upsetting me too much.’

My husband has reacted like this before, starting about 5 yrs ago. He has a bee in his bonnet that my dad in particular jumps in and does things, eg teaching to ride a bike, that he should be doing. I can’t think of an example where this has actually happened…but I’m sure my husband would say it would’ve done if he hadn’t stopped it. Even my parents singing songs from their childhoods to our kids, reading books to them, all ends in him looking upset. He ruined Christmas by petulantly blurting out just as we were about to leave ‘I can’t stand your silly little father. I find him so irritating.’ My parents are 10 mins away but we barely visit once a month as I dread the bad mood from my husband.

The 2 main contributing issues I can think of are 1) he’s 18 yrs older than me so much closer in age to my parents than me. His own mother is in her 90s and isn’t that interested in kids generally and 2) he grew up without any living grandparents himself, so has no precedent for ‘sharing’ his kids and thinks my parents are insensitive and showing him up by being too involved. There is no reason for this - he’s a great dad and does loads of activities with them. I try to make sure he does milestones, eg he took them to the cinema for the first time 2 days ago.

We didn’t speak for the rest of the day. I feel like he doesn’t care about me as he can’t find a way to handle my only slightly annoying family. They’ve never said a nasty word to him and we’ve been together nearly 20 years. I concede they are both very active and ‘organiser’ types, so tend to schedule us for events before we’ve really thought what we want to do…it grates on me sometimes too. my dad is an engineer, possibly a little on the spectrum so can miss social cues. On the other hand his mum told my eldest he was a ‘bad boy’ amongst other nasty little negs to me also (I need elocution lessons, my breastmilk tested) and I put up with it because she’s his Mum and we can’t change that…why can’t he do the same for me?

Genuinely starting to read around divorce. I think he’s trying and laughing it off, then he gets really vicious and angry again. Wider issues…bedroom is totally dead, he mainly talks to me to moan or rant.

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SeatonCarew · 12/08/2023 04:26

Didn't want to read and run OP. Your husband sounds ghastly and your parents sound like wonderful grandparents. The only person showing him up is him. I suspect the more you think about it, the more you'll realise how unpleasant he and his mother are.

You don't have to live like this.

DuploTrain · 12/08/2023 04:29

Yes he’s being unreasonable.

I don’t see anything wrong with what your parents did. It’s so lovely they are actively involved. It’s hugely self centred to think that he is the only one that has the right to give your 2yo their first go on a bike.

It doesn’t sound like you really like or respect him much anymore.

greenspaces4peace · 12/08/2023 04:32

he sounds jealous that he doesn't have the wherewithal to do these things on his own.
and rather than admit that he's falling short on teaching his own kids life skills he's being nasty to your parents (name calling).

Olika · 12/08/2023 06:25

That's so unreasonable. He should be doing these things with the kids then. Sounds like he is realising how he isn't doing what he should be and feeling jealous.

BlastedPimples · 12/08/2023 06:32

Is there more to it? Have they stepped over boundaries more than you describe?

If not, then your husband is jealous and insecure.

CobraKaiNeverLoses · 12/08/2023 06:37

Your husband sounds horrible.

Fraaahnces · 12/08/2023 06:43

Just out of interest, does he actually bother getting off his arse to take his kids to the park and teach them to ride bikes? I think I can guess. Your parents’ enthusiasm with your kids is making him feel emasculated because he knows he COULD do this, but doesn’t think to do it. He doesn’t CARE to do it.
You must feel like you are constantly walking on eggshells living with this man. Your kids will undoubtedly feel the same way. This black cloud of a person is not safe to live with, I’m sorry.

Kweeky · 12/08/2023 06:48

Don't spose he would go to counselling - if he was brought up by hands off parents that is what he is dealing with.
My DH is hands off (his DPs the same) but doesn't object to others playing.

GoodChat · 12/08/2023 06:48

They're all clearly old enough to use bikes so what has stopped him from taking them to the park?

It sounds like he can't be bothered to do these things but knows he should. Your parents aren't over involved, based on this thread, just lovely grandparents.

Zanatdy · 12/08/2023 06:50

Unless they are constantly over stepping boundaries then no, you’re not being unreasonable at all, he is, and it’s horrible for you to hear him say these things about your parents. He’s clearly jealous or anxious that the kids have a good relationship with the kids, which is odd. I wouldn’t just visit once a month, you don’t have your parents around all your life, enjoy spending time with them whilst you can, trust me it hurts when they’ve gone. Your husband doesn’t need to always come along.

Sounds like the marriage is dead, you don’t have to live like this. As MN’s will say, start getting your ducks in a row and look further into divorce

Namechangedforthis2244 · 12/08/2023 06:53

I think that if this was me, today would be the last time he came to my parents house with me, and I’d try pretty hard to only invite them to mine when he was out. He is spoiling the relationship between you, and that isn’t fair.

I would also insist that he takes the kids to the park to ride their bikes tomorrow. If the youngest doesn’t have a balance bike I’d send them both shopping for one. Any complaints, moaning etc would be met with “you felt strongly enough about this that you ruined the day at my parents- you need to follow through on your decision to do this first “

And the again at regular intervals “you cared so strongly about riding bikes with the kids that you ruined the day at my parents house- you need to follow through on that and do it regularly with the kids “

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 12/08/2023 06:54

How old were you when he started going out with you? ( I put it like that intentionally). Eighteen years is a big gap, I guess you are at rather different life stages. If you have been together twenty years, you must be in your thirties, and he will be cracking on for sixty? That can be quite difficult, but it’s not insurmountable with love on both sides.

The problem is that he doesn’t seem to be demonstrating much love to you, physical or emotional. He’s trying to isolate you from your parents, presumably because they do love and support you and he sees that as a threat.

Cloudflare · 12/08/2023 07:11

He sounds unpleasant. Possibly jealous?

No one’s parents are going to be perfect. Your parents sound interested and caring with their grandkids. Your partner should really be grateful for this. The more people in our kids’ lives who love our kids and are interested in them, the better it is for our kids.

I would leave him at home from now on. If he says he wants to come I’d lay down your rules - eg that if he can be pleasant and not surly yes he can come, that he just doesn’t act like last time. That his past behaviour ruins the visits for you.

No sex doesn’t sound good for the relationship. it really can be a good indicator of the state of a marriage, imo.

Life is short. We all deserve to be happy in life.

Hibiscrubbed · 12/08/2023 07:19

Your husband sounds like a nasty, negative, jealous, insecure prick. I’d have sent him home and stayed to have a nice time with my parents. See you parents more if you want to, don’t avoid them because it makes your husband angry for some reason.

MaxTalk · 12/08/2023 07:27

The bike thing I can understand your viewpoint. However if your parents are teaching the kids to be "like them" and bring them up how they see fit (teaching them stuff which doesn't align with your husband's mindset) I can see the issue your husband has.

Also your husband may has a different way of teaching them to ride a bike etc which wasn't done.

All small things but I see your his point of view entirely. Kids change family dynamics entirely - something many people don't realise until it is too late.

Poppyblush · 12/08/2023 07:56

Leave.

Ellie1015 · 12/08/2023 08:00

You and your parents have done nothing wrong. Your husband is horrid to your parents I would leave.

Hayliebells · 12/08/2023 08:08

Your husband doesn’t sound very nice, I’m not surprised you’re considering divorce. If the bedroom is “dead”, and he’s horrible to you and your family, why stay? You say he’s a good father, but that’s not a reason to stay with him, he can still be a good father when he’s no longer married to you!

Totalwasteofpaper · 12/08/2023 09:27

Personally... i think your DH sounds like a disengaged father who is jealous of your parents engaging well with your children as it highlights his inadequacies.

I wouldnt be putting up with any of this nonsense any longer. Use this as the trigger. they are incredibly lucky to have two loving and interested grandparent dont deprive them of that to appease him.
My mum lives 10 mins away and we see her a couple of times a week. Its really sad they get rationed time.

Maybe you could start doing a fortnightly brunch at theirs. Leave you DH (dickhead husband) at home

AnneLovesGilbert · 12/08/2023 09:34

He’s horrible. Your marriage sounds like it’s got a bunch of issues so if you’re considering divorce then I’d have a proper look into it and imagine how lovely life will be when you can take your children to your parents as often as you like. Enjoy watching them be with your kids. Maybe find a better partner and having a lively bedroom.

Mischance · 12/08/2023 09:37

He's a grown adult. We all find ourselves mixing with people we do not really click with and we just get on with it. Goodness knows what you can do to sort this out - he is being ridiculous,

lyralycra · 12/08/2023 09:45

You DH either has a MH condition or he's a total and utter prick.

Winter2020 · 12/08/2023 09:55

It's a shame you only see your parents once a month when they live close by and are nice active people.

I would start a routine visiting them weekly without your husband. He can give you a couple of hours off at another time and have a little routine of his own of something he does with them.

This doesn't have to mean all out war if you don't want it to. You could just say "look you don't like my parents- I'm going to take the kids to see them and you can do something else". If he won't let you go or insists on coming with you then the problem is more serious as you can't let him control you.

SavBlancTonight · 12/08/2023 09:59

The sentence that rang alarm bells for me was actually when younsaid that YOU try to ensure he has milestone moments eg organising for him to take them to the cinema.

Having active and involved grandparents is a blessing. Our parents aren't near by and are old. We were thrilled when our elderly neighbour took an interest in our ds and helped him learn to ride a bike.

TheCatterall · 12/08/2023 10:55

@Periclymenum squishes. Massive squishes.

life is too short for staying in shitty relationships that leave us tip toeing around partners moods and expectations when they will make no effort to compromise or better themselves.

would he attend therapy as a couple or alone?

if he won’t even do that I’d start considering a happier healthier life for you and the children without being under the same roof.

The children will grow up picking up on his moods and tantrums and will learn - if they haven’t already - to be careful of triggering dad. They’ll be wary of showing excitement, joy or love to their grandparents as dad gets upset or angry. This isn’t what you want for them.

and these comments he’s making - eventually he’ll be making those sort of comments to your children.

As for staying with this grumpy man - in another 20/30 years you will no doubt just be there as a carer and housekeeper with kids that don’t like visiting because of the way he treats you, them and anyone outside the family.

calling his children meatheads - you know that’s just slang for a complete idiot/someone really stupid? I’d have lost my shit with him. Have you ever done that or are you always keeping things on an even keel and playing the peace keeper?

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