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Is my husband being unreasonable - grandparent input

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Periclymenum · 12/08/2023 04:15

Yesterday my 3 young kids and I went to my parents’ house for a family birthday celebration. My husband joined us later. As he arrived my 2 oldest kids were riding their bikes in the drive with my dad. My mum then put a bike helmet on my 2 yr old as she’d asked me earlier if he’d like to try an old balance bike they have at their house - I’d agreed. He wandered around with it between his legs a bit - didn’t really get the idea 😂 but had fun anyway.

I walked to where my husband was further down the drive, expecting him to be enjoying the moment too. He seemed emotional but was smiling slightly, and said ‘I can’t believe this. I feel disengaged from my own kids…This isn’t making me feel like a very good parent’. I said, assuming he just needed some reassuring - ‘ah it’s okay, we don’t have this kind of (any!) flat driveway space at home to ride bikes’. He said, ‘NO, we can go to the park’. Then seemingly out of nowhere he cruelly and coldly said ‘they’re both meatheads aren’t they’…I actually said, ‘who are meatheads?’ as I was so taken-aback. I had to walk away from him as I knew I’d get upset, so I went inside the house. He followed a minute later carrying our youngest inside, saying ‘I had to take him in, it was upsetting me too much.’

My husband has reacted like this before, starting about 5 yrs ago. He has a bee in his bonnet that my dad in particular jumps in and does things, eg teaching to ride a bike, that he should be doing. I can’t think of an example where this has actually happened…but I’m sure my husband would say it would’ve done if he hadn’t stopped it. Even my parents singing songs from their childhoods to our kids, reading books to them, all ends in him looking upset. He ruined Christmas by petulantly blurting out just as we were about to leave ‘I can’t stand your silly little father. I find him so irritating.’ My parents are 10 mins away but we barely visit once a month as I dread the bad mood from my husband.

The 2 main contributing issues I can think of are 1) he’s 18 yrs older than me so much closer in age to my parents than me. His own mother is in her 90s and isn’t that interested in kids generally and 2) he grew up without any living grandparents himself, so has no precedent for ‘sharing’ his kids and thinks my parents are insensitive and showing him up by being too involved. There is no reason for this - he’s a great dad and does loads of activities with them. I try to make sure he does milestones, eg he took them to the cinema for the first time 2 days ago.

We didn’t speak for the rest of the day. I feel like he doesn’t care about me as he can’t find a way to handle my only slightly annoying family. They’ve never said a nasty word to him and we’ve been together nearly 20 years. I concede they are both very active and ‘organiser’ types, so tend to schedule us for events before we’ve really thought what we want to do…it grates on me sometimes too. my dad is an engineer, possibly a little on the spectrum so can miss social cues. On the other hand his mum told my eldest he was a ‘bad boy’ amongst other nasty little negs to me also (I need elocution lessons, my breastmilk tested) and I put up with it because she’s his Mum and we can’t change that…why can’t he do the same for me?

Genuinely starting to read around divorce. I think he’s trying and laughing it off, then he gets really vicious and angry again. Wider issues…bedroom is totally dead, he mainly talks to me to moan or rant.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/08/2023 11:06

Such men TheCatterall rarely if ever go to counselling or therapy. This man feels entitled to act like he does and probably on some level does not think he is doing anything wrong. He does this because he can. If counselling is to be considered then the OP needs to go on her own.

OP - what are you getting out of this relationship now?. How old were you exactly when you met this person?. Late teens, early 20s?. I think he targeted you and deliberately so as well because most women about his age would have given him short shrift.

Periclymenum · 12/08/2023 12:19

Hi all. Thank you so much for the responses - I’m touched at the support.

Those of you who wondered if there’s a wider boundary-breaking issue with my parents - thank you, because I’m wondering the same and I know I didn’t get it across well in the message (originally designed for a different platform with a character limit). My dad especially is a bit gung-ho with organising and I’m sure he would cross boundaries if not gently told off. An example would be again be bikes - offering to teach my second to ride without stabilizers on their drive. This infuriated my husband and I do see he had a bit of a point…but my dad would only have meant it kindly. My mum has more emotional intelligence and generally always checks with me first before they buy anything (like the old not fancy 2nd hand bikes they keep at their house), or do anything that might be considered of significant. Thing is I can’t bring myself to say no…I do often say, ‘well that’s be lovely but (my husband) might want to do that, I’ll check with him’. So they know there’s an issue. But I sense they think the same as me, ie that is unjustified and he’s a bit mentally off, though their priority is not upsetting the apple cart.

At any rate I don’t think this amount of mild overinvolvement, if it even can be counted as that, deserves such a level of anger of vitriol in response.

I do want to point out I genuinely think he is quite an involved parent!! That’s why I’m a bit baffled. He does organised sport with them 3 times a week and is always heading off to practice with them. He also does more sun spontaneous stuff like go carts etc at the weekend. He’s slacked a tiny bit on the bikes with the 2 younger ones, which is why this has hit a nerve. I will suggest he goes and gets LO a balance bike (our old one was stolen). But it just seems to unreasonable and impossible for me to mediate. He can’t do everything and my parents can’t do nothing.

To those asking, yes, I was 20 when we got together. There were things in those early years would be red flags to me now in my 30s…I nearly left once before 10 years ago before kids and lived back at home for a month, but lost my nerve. Our cat was killed on the road and he was so pathetic and alone I couldn’t bare to leave him. Oh dear, that sounds awful when I read it back. We get on well day-to-day as long as we don’t see my parents! He also gets a bit fed up if he has to socialize with my friends…basically he doesn’t like people much. Possible schizoid personality disorder from being sent to school at 8 and then his parents leaving him to his own devices in the holidays. He’s admitted the diagnosis fits himself.

He 100% would not go to counseling. It is going to have to be me.

Just to note - the ‘meatheads’ was directed at my parents, not my kids.

He took my eldest out to practice a sport this morning and has just come back. I’m trying to sort house and orchestrate a roast which I don’t feel much like doing now. He just made me a cup of tea and is carrying on as normal. We’re still in different rooms and not speaking though.

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Periclymenum · 12/08/2023 12:21

Urgh apologies for typos!!

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Frogger8395 · 12/08/2023 12:27

That would be the last time he came to my parents house. Your parents aren’t stupid and are likely fully aware of his attitude. Leave him at home so everyone doesn’t have to pretend everything’s ok when it isn’t.

nevynevster · 12/08/2023 12:27

He sounds a difficult character and you sound like a very considerate person. I think in honesty you have to try somehow to resolve some of these "how to bring up kids" and "grandparent involvement " questions. Because it will get worse (teens will stretch your patience in many more different ways) and you've got a finite amount of time for the grandparents relationships for your kids. So I don't think you can sweep it under the carpet and you need to share your perspective .. sounds like he doesn't actually know how you feel. So maybe you need to write it out and be honest about the difficult position you are being put in and how it is making you feel.

TheCatterall · 12/08/2023 12:30

Please don’t accept self diagnosis of MH issues as a reason for anything. Being sent to school at 8 and having to create his own fun and activities does not sound like a trigger for such a severe condition. And as a parent with a child with a diagnosed schizophrenic disorder it feels a little like the good old ‘we’re all a little on the spectrum’ and a cop out for bad behaviour.

again @Periclymenum in 20/30 years what do you think your children’s experiences and reflections of growing up in a home picking up on his behaviour will be.

What will you feel when left alone with just the two of you in an empty nest. Want to continue carrying a sexless relationship where his demands and behaviour rule what everyone does and your own parents worry about everything they’d like to do as engaged grandparents?

Andthereyougo · 12/08/2023 12:38

@Totalwasteofpaper Personally... i think your DH sounds like a disengaged father who is jealous of your parents engaging well with your children as it highlights his inadequacies.

has got it in one.
Your parents are doing what good grandparents do… show love and interest in their dgc, engage with them. If your husband can’t understand this he needs counselling to sort his head out.
Your parents aren’t trying to show him up, steal his thunder, turn his kids against him or any of the things he imagines. This is his problem, not theirs.

If he won’t seek therapy I’d consider leaving.

RandomMess · 12/08/2023 12:39

His behaviour his VERY odd.

The DC learning to ride bikes is about them achieving a skill they want to when they are ready. They aren't performing seals to feed his ego.

RandomMess · 12/08/2023 12:41

He doesn't like your friends he doesn't like your family.

Classic controlling behaviour isn't it?

MisschiefMaker · 12/08/2023 12:41

He's jealous of your children for having such a nice family to love them, but is channeling his feelings at your parents because he knows it's unreasonable to resent the children for his own inner pain.

GentlemanJay · 12/08/2023 12:43

greenspaces4peace · 12/08/2023 04:32

he sounds jealous that he doesn't have the wherewithal to do these things on his own.
and rather than admit that he's falling short on teaching his own kids life skills he's being nasty to your parents (name calling).

Yep. Feeling guilty.

Seaoftroubles · 12/08/2023 13:11

How old is he now OP? That's a big age gap and things aren't likely to get better as he gets older.
I agree with other posters about visiting your parents more frequently with the children and leaving him behind. I would also be calling him out on spoiling the day and behaving so badly.
He sounds horrible; jealous of your parents relationship with the children and nasty as well. Calling them Meatheads is vile when they are obviously lovely, caring grandparents.
You can't change the past for him and if he won't go to counselling it's not your job to fix him or tip toe round him. If there's no intimacy either l think l would be seriously considering your future with him.

5128gap · 12/08/2023 13:34

I couldn't tolerate a man who spoke about my family like that. It's unforgivable.
Your husband is closer in age to your father than to you, so his peer, and obviously feels inadequate when compared to him and competitive with him as a result.

Wentbacktobed · 12/08/2023 16:55

He’s got boarding school syndrome and seeing your kids getting what he did joy is triggering something for him

Wentbacktobed · 12/08/2023 16:55

*he did NOT not joy

Gymmum82 · 12/08/2023 17:05

He sounds jealous and pathetic and I would have told him so.
I would start to see your parents more often without him. Equally your friends without him. Build a life that doesn’t include him then when inevitably you split up you’ll already be sorted. He sounds like he puts a downer on any and every occasion by getting upset and throwing a strop.

Give it 10 years. You’ll be 40 and in your prime and he’ll be 60 and slowing down. You will no longer be compatible in any way and if he won’t go to counselling there is no way back

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/08/2023 17:16

"Possible schizoid personality disorder from being sent to school at 8 and then his parents leaving him to his own devices in the holidays. He’s admitted the diagnosis fits himself"

Who came up with this "diagnosis" re him?.

His issues re your parents are his alone and not your responsibility. What are you getting out of this relationship with him?. It sounds miserable for you and in turn your kids. I sincerely hope you are not staying with him for the supposed "sake of the children".

gogomoto · 12/08/2023 17:21

He sounds jealous pure and simple. I think there are certain things that parents do want to be the first to do, perhaps talk to him and find out what they are (obviously bikes are on his list)

Totalwasteofpaper · 12/08/2023 22:06

I read your update.

Keep googling about divorce and stay in touch with your parents.

Good luck (sincerely)

Periclymenum · 16/08/2023 20:14

Hi again all, just wanted to say I’m still reading and appreciating it all. I’ve had a rough few days of us still not really speaking. He knows he’s in trouble as he’s asked what’s wrong very gently - but he knows full well what it is and won’t push it further as he’d rather just truck on, as long as food is on the table and the house is clean and the kids are entertained.

Believe me though, I’ve blown up about this a couple of times before, including last Christmas where it got really nasty in the car.

Apologies for throwing around psychological terms - all that happened is I read something about lack of warmth in early life and schizoid personality disorder many years ago, and fairly casually mentioned it to him. No diagnosis except me running through the list of symptoms and him wryly going ‘hmmm’.

I’m going to raise it tonight. We go on holiday next week and I refuse to have that ruined by me feeling like a doormat.

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Clefable · 16/08/2023 20:19

I found that so upsetting to read, OP Sad My lovely mum died a couple of months ago but she was an incredibly loving and involved grandparent, she loved reading to my girls, doing crafts, taking them into the garden to pick flowers, buying them thoughtful gifts. The thought of my husband ever saying things like that about her is absolutely horrible. Please don't let this man ruin such a lovely relationship.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/08/2023 20:23

I'm genuinely baffled that you can even be near this man. Your bar has to be lower than the floor to remain married to such a fucking horrid person.

I wouldn't go on any stupid holiday with him and I wouldn't tolerate this toxic mess for a minute longer. The only discussion I'd be having with him is to inform him that I'm divorcing him.

Your poor parents know exactly who he is and they must be completely horrified that you're married to him.

Periclymenum · 16/08/2023 20:26

Thank you - I know :( I can tell how much Mum wants to spend more time with my kids - probably Dad too though he’s less communicative. The sick feeling in the pit of my stomach is because I’m worried my H already crossed my line in being so unkind about and to my parents.

Also forgot to say we’re likely seeing my parents tomorrow (without my husband - haven’t told him). Hopefully we’ll have a lovely memorable day out.

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RandomMess · 16/08/2023 21:04

I have a friend who was targeted by a much older man. He ended up hitting her and being he at handed with one of the 3 DC.

These things always escalate one way or another.

MisschiefMaker · 16/08/2023 21:22

What a horrible thing for you to have to deal with. It sounds like you are getting stronger and better at holding him to account, rather than sweeping his nastiness under the table, so well done you.