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Do you think he's over her?

32 replies

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:17

I've been with my partner for 18 months, both late 30s/early 40s, have children from previous relationships, and have obviously had long term relationships prior to each other.

There's been some issues I've had in the past, such as him spending and awful lot of time with his ex and their DD; he only ever really seen his DD when her mum was there, and they'd always go for long days out together most weekends with LO, who is 5.

He would bathe her and put her to bed in her mums house, and they would go out and have meals etc together. At first, I thought it was great that they made such an effort for their DD to have memories of them together, as they split when she was very young. As time went on however, and I realised he still occasionally slept at his ex's house, I became uncomfortable. Out of respect for LO, I didn't voice anything until around 6 months ago.

I asked if the relationship was definitely over, as I know he was heartbroken when they separated. He said it was, and I went with that. Over time however, I have understood his ex is not too keen on him having a new partner, and will not allow me to meet their DD. Entirely up to them, it has slowed down our relationship, but obviously not for me to push the subject, and I respect her wishes as a mother.

Today, whilst staying at his house, I was putting some washing away (both split between own properties, whilst kids aren't around), opened a drawer and found a box he must have gotten his ex for a birthday present for her 40th 3 years ago, as it had her name and birthdate in it. It even had a cake wrapper still in it. He has kept it after all these years. He is the sentimental type, keeps cards etc off close family.

Would you take him keeping a gift he got her that he sees every day in his sock drawer, so has not kept by accident, a sign he's still holding on to hope? Or am I being paranoid? I haven't broached the subject, just put our stuff in a different drawer.

Thank you.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/08/2023 19:20

He keeps stuff from close family. He keeps stuff from her. I think you know the answer. What will you do with that information?

blackbeardsballsack · 09/08/2023 19:23

There is absolutely no way that I would stay in this relationship and if you respect yourself, you won't either.

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:31

@LyingWitchInTheWardrobe

I have no idea. It caught me off guard because I'd never seen it there before.

I'm not sure if it's even worth mentioning. Just maybe say I've had enough of the relationship being on hold because of someone else, and walk away.

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missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:31

@blackbeardsballsack Thank you for your comment. Clear and precise. I appreciate that.

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Prinnny · 09/08/2023 19:32

Leave. It’s not going to work. It’s like you’re the other woman, you deserve more than that.

PollyAmour · 09/08/2023 19:33

I think you should walk away. He will reconcile with this ex within months and you will be dumped regardless. Don't prolong the agony.

sodthesodoff · 09/08/2023 19:36

I had to reread your post. You're 18 months into this relationship and you're still treated like the ow

Nah. He's not moved on. Doesn't want to move on. And after 18 months he can't commit to you more than a side piece I'd be off

Sorry op. You deserve better.

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:40

Thank you all.

I appreciate your comments.

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Anotherparkingthread · 09/08/2023 19:42

Mumsnet will always try to edge towards the family reunion as its what most here would want to happen. His ex won't want him back, he's been with somebody else for 18 months.

I have kept things from previous relationships. Jewellery, cards, letters from old boyfriends and penpals, photographs and gig tickets, day tickets, cinema trips etc.

I wouldn't be throwing away perfectly happy memories to accommodate a spouse with a fragile ego. Just because they are no longer together means he has to disregard their memories together and nor does it mean he pines for those times back. Everybody experiences some nostalgia and some people like having trinkets to look back on and jog their memories.

I think it's perfectly harmless, if he wanted her back and they were going to reconcile he wouldn't have got with you in the first place or would have broken it off much more quickly.

sodthesodoff · 09/08/2023 19:50

@Anotherparkingthread see I don't see much in the bathing etc

But the op hasn't met his child. After 18 months. When is she going to?

The ex hasn't moved on. Fine. But doesn't seem like he much either. Keeping wrappers etc from her birthday is a bit too much. Maybe in the loft if he really is a hoarder. But after at least 18 months after the end of the relationship I'd expect this to be a bit more at arms length.

Op when did you get together with him? Was it soon after the end of his marriage?

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:53

@sodthesodoff they'd actually already split by the time that gift was given. They've been separated well over 3 years.

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BiscuitsandPuffin · 09/08/2023 19:58

But the op hasn't met his child. After 18 months. When is she going to?
When both of the child's parents are ready. The relationships boards are full of very silly or naive women who introduced their kids to their new partner too soon and bad things happened.

Having said that, OP, the update about how long they'd broken up for when he got her the gift is very relevant info. I don't see a future for this relationship because you're not happy with the situation and that's a dealbreaker. It doesn't really matter if you're right or wrong, what matters is how it's making you feel.

Shapemyeyebrows · 09/08/2023 19:59

@missmatch23 it’s not the box that would worry me. It’s the other stuff. They are more than just co parenting, and are still clearly emotionally invested in each other. You feel he still holds out hope because he probably does. It doesn’t mean they will end up back together but they haven’t completely seperated yet. How long after they split did he meet you? I wouldn’t get involved with anyone that was still enmeshed in his ex’s life in such a way.

sodthesodoff · 09/08/2023 20:01

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 19:53

@sodthesodoff they'd actually already split by the time that gift was given. They've been separated well over 3 years.

See now I find that really odd!

Because that's not even a memento from a happy time. A core memory of their relationship. It's from when they split up!

I still have stuff from my marriage. I like my ex husband. And us splitting doesn't negate the happy memories we had. So I'm not saying he should erase all existence of her from his life.

But this isn't even from their marriage. It's... odd.

Is this the only thing that makes you think he's not over her?

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:01

@Shapemyeyebrows He wasn't honest about just how involved they still were. There's days out etc, I knew nothing about until he slipped up months later.

They'd been separated 2 years before I met him.

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sodthesodoff · 09/08/2023 20:02

@BiscuitsandPuffin that's fair enough from my point of view I would say 18 months and I would at least be having that conversation about introducing kids. Each to their own though.

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:06

@sodthesodoff
When she met someone after they broke up, he went wild about it. This was about 8 months before I came along. She also didn't know about me for a while.

She's also quite intrusive about our relationship, and will only ever call me by the term "girlfriend", despite knowing my name. She goes off on a massive rant whenever me meeting LO is brought up, cries, kicks off etc.

She has messaged me in the past advising me against being with him, but then hangs around him every chance she can. Stating he's rude, aggressive etc. He has never been like this with me.

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missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:10

He also won't answer the phone to me when she's around, as to "respect her feelings."

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sodthesodoff · 09/08/2023 20:12

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:10

He also won't answer the phone to me when she's around, as to "respect her feelings."

Ah

I was just about to reply to your other post. It doesn't matter how SHE behaves. She can be madly in love with him and possessive about him. But that doesn't mean a thing if HE has your back

I was going to ask how he reacts when she behaves like this. And looks like we have the answer.

He is still prioritising her. That's the bottom line.

Shapemyeyebrows · 09/08/2023 20:13

@missmatch23 him not being honest about it means he knew what he was doing wasn’t appropriate. It’s so common these types of set ups where people split up as they don’t work as a couple but still have feelings and still want the good bits of the relationship. So they date someone else but with one foot still in with the ex. There was a thread on here actually not long ago where a woman and her husband had divorced but still did similar to what you described with the kids but they also slept together every few months too. It can take a while to untangle lives when kids are involved but 2 years is quite a while for him to then meet you but still be staying over at hers. What’s things been like since you voiced your concerns 6 months ago?

Yea2023 · 09/08/2023 20:13

Missing the point a bit but why are you putting washing away in his house?

Does he do housework in your house?

Shapemyeyebrows · 09/08/2023 20:20

@missmatch23 just read your updates. Honestly, I would bow out of this relationship. He’s not yours. He’s still hers. He is fine to upset you but he will be respectful to her. It sounds toxic between them really. I think you are in for a long stretch of misery if you stay in this relationship. He’s disrespecting and you staying just means he will continue doing it. Don’t try and argue with him about it, there’s no point forcing someone to treat you better. If he wanted to prioritise you and treat you right he would have by now.

Mbop · 09/08/2023 20:20

I'd walk away from this. Their lives are still very enmeshed and he's keeping secrets from both of you and hedging his bets. You're worth more.

missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:28

Thank you everyone, I'm grateful for your input.

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missmatch23 · 09/08/2023 20:32

We were just in the middle of quite a serious discussion on the phone, when he said he had to go because she was calling him.

I don't think I need to say much else.

Again, thank you all.

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