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DH stonewalling me. Feeling confused, stuck, am I in the wrong?

30 replies

noenergyforthis · 01/08/2023 11:20

Changed my username for this.

We had an argument last week and now DH is stonewalling me, while planning lots of trips away for him and his friends, brother etc. over the next few months and also cancelling a holiday we’d planned later this year with my mum. His reason for this is because I can’t go on an annual holiday with the in-laws for seven days this year as I can’t take the time off my new job or shift my days. He thinks I’m being selfish. I’ve tried to make it work by suggesting a 5 day holiday or even 6 days with them if we fly out after I leave work but he says that only means 3 full days there so isn’t worth it. It doesn’t help that because he has a more senior role he has a lot more flexibility with work and can take time off near enough whenever he wants. He’s been badgering me to get a consistent part time job (I was trying to build my own business back up after maternity but it wasn’t bringing in enough) and now that I’ve got one he’s annoyed that I don’t have the benefits of arranging holiday whenever I want. When we argued about this last week he stooped to some very low insults. This is not new, he becomes a real bully when we argue and puts me down without ever saying sorry and often stonewalling afterwards or pretending nothing happened. Apparently saying “you’re acting like a ‘c’ is a justifiable way to talk to me because it’s not the same as saying “you’re a c”… he also puts me down because our DS is more attached to me at the moment. He’s called me a ‘devouring mother’ and other similarly nasty comments because I still breastfeed (usually just morning feed and evening) at 23months old. I always said I’d like to feed until he turned 2 and then gradually wean unless he self weaned before. Most people I know are supportive of this or have done similar themselves but DH’s family mostly all bottle fed and comment negatively on it (something that never bothered me as I’m outspokenly confident in my decision and he always supported me before but now he’s started insulting me with it too). Our DS is a very bright, confident toddler with a seemingly secure attachment so I’m trying not to take his comments to heart as I don’t think they have genuine merit and are just cruel attempts to get under my skin.

I’m not really sure where I’m going with this post, I’m just starting to feel myself closing off and can’t see a clear way past everything. DH doesn’t seem to value my opinions at all and clearly thinks he’s in the right. I’m starting to notice bitter, twisted and spiteful remarks dressed as humour - even in front of other people now - and frankly feel like the shit on his shoe a lot of the time. Thing is, he goes out of his way to be very charming, witty, and actually heartfelt with others and when he says quite surprising - sometimes even harsh, misogynistic or sexist remarks - they don’t know whether to laugh or take him seriously and he likes using that shock tactic, it actually becomes endearing, like listening to a comedian. New people will laugh nervously and other men will say things like “you’re very brave” and glance at me for reassurance, perhaps hoping he’s just putting on a character while my friends just assume he’s being deliberately inflammatory and find it funny. Anyway, sorry for the very long ramble. I’m feeling very low about it all and don’t really know who to talk to. My friends all really like him and I don’t want to taint the relationship, especially if our marriage is salvageable. Equally, I’m fed up of playing pretend.

I’m wondering if I’m in the wrong for feeling this isn’t fair behaviour, a healthy dynamic in a relationship, or a way to treat someone you supposedly love. Maybe I’m approaching this all wrong. He’s made it clear he thinks the problem is with me and not him and seems to be waiting on me to realise this and buckle? But his insults have gone too far and I’m not happy to let things slide. Trying to make better sense of this dynamic so I can approach it with a clearer head.

OP posts:
noenergyforthis · 01/08/2023 11:22

(Not sure why but where I put “c**t” it changed it to just “c”)

OP posts:
oOiluvfriendsOo · 01/08/2023 11:32

You're wrong to stay with this disgrace of a man.
He has no respect for you whatsoever and treats you like 💩

oOiluvfriendsOo · 01/08/2023 11:34

He is an abusive twat and won't change.

BlastedSkreet · 01/08/2023 11:35

Yeah, it’s him.

He sounds very unpleasant.

Velvetbee · 01/08/2023 11:36

Make plans to leave, he’s a horrible human being and a terrible example to your son.

VeridicalVagabond · 01/08/2023 11:39

Posts like this make me very sad because I have to wonder how much he's worn you down over the years to make you even be questioning whether this is healthy.

No of course this is not normal. He's abusive and vile. What is normal is abusers being very good at being charming and funny with everyone but the subject of their abuse - it's to isolate you and make you feel like you'd have no one in your corner if you left, even your own friends who "love" him.

I would seriously consider whether this is the kind of relationship you want to model for your child. Would you be happy, proud of him, if he treated his future partner the way your husband treats you?

funtimes1987 · 01/08/2023 11:41

He's an abuser, a bully, who's sounds like his development halted at his early teens! He's learned how to be so charismatic that others don't pick up on this. Is there any way you could get out of this relationship, OP?

pamplemoussemousse · 01/08/2023 11:41

He is a horrible cunt.

I would take advantage of him being away so much to get yourself sorted and leave.

Teapleasebobb · 01/08/2023 11:41

"while my friends just assume he’s being deliberately inflammatory and find it funny"

Are you sure your friends like him op? Because if a friend of mine had a dh who did this, I wouldn't find it funny, I'd think he was a twat.

Dukeydo · 01/08/2023 11:44

I would just say simply ‘I think we have reached the end of the road. I have made plans for a holiday of my own with my mum (make it flexible as to if you can take your son or not) and I would like an amicable divorce and for us to respectfully coparent. Text him this and in the meanwhile ask your mum if you can stay with or without ds on a temporary basis while you sort a solicitor. Actions speak loudly than words and you can’t argue with a bully.

Theunamedcat · 01/08/2023 11:45

Good job he has booked himself so many holidays you have time to pack and leave with your son

Your not considering staying with this trash right?

CwmYoy · 01/08/2023 11:46

Please leave him. There is no joy in this man for you.

yellowsmileyface · 01/08/2023 12:03

You know in your gut this isn't right.

There's the boiling frog analogy relating to emotional abuse. If you put a frog straight into boiling water, they just jump out. To boil a frog, you have to gradually heat up the water so it doesn't notice it's boiling.

It's the same with abuse. Because it happens so gradually, it's hard to tell if there's really anything wrong, because you become so desensitized and so used to it.

Emotional abuse is so damaging because whilst it doesn't leave any external physical marks, it cuts much deeper to your very core and rattles your entire sense of self. You start doubting everything and ultimately you just believe him when he says you're the problem because you don't know what's what anymore. You just accept everything as it is because all you care about now is keeping the peace.

There's no resolution. You can't have a fair or rational conversation with someone who's an abuser. He'll never care to see your point of view or try to reach a compromise. It's his way or the high way. I know which I'd choose.

SleepingStandingUp · 01/08/2023 12:06

He's worn you down so slowly you don't know your a frog about to be cooked. Look at the how to boil a frog thing. They don't see it either until it's too late. It isn't too late.

Will he go away without you with his parents? What about your son?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/08/2023 12:07

The only acceptable level of abuse in a relationship is none.

Are you in the UK?. If so do contact Womens Aid; they can and will help you leave safely. How else can you be helped here into leaving your, in and turn your child's, abuser?. Is your mum supportive?.

Like all abusers such people are adept at blaming others like you in this instance for their own faults and inherent ills. You have not driven him into being abusive; he was abusive to start with.

He has tainted this relationship, not you. Did he give you that idea?. Many abusers can be quite plausible to those in the outside world and your friends do not see the real him at all. I would think however, that some of them have their own private based suspicions re your husband.

He is not going to make the whole process of separation and divorce at all straight forward. He likes having you around to abuse and will not want to relinquish that level of power and control over you. Do not ever go into any form of joint counselling with him nor attempt mediation. Both are not recommended when it comes to abusive men.

humblesims · 01/08/2023 12:20

his insults have gone too far and I’m not happy to let things slide

This is the crux. You need to tell him that in all seriousness. His response is your answer to whether the marriage is salvageable. He sounds like a knob.

Frankenpug23 · 01/08/2023 12:26

Please leave - this is an abusive relationship with a difficult, nasty man. Go when he is on one of his holidays - take all relevant paperwork and finance details with you. Your young child will already be picking up these tensions and difficulties- and you deserve so much more than this.

I really hope your friends are just being kind about liking him - because he sounds like a complete prick to me!

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 01/08/2023 12:27

How long have you been with him? Did he change after the child was conceived?

Agree with everyone, divorce is in your future. Better sooner than later.

FictionalCharacter · 01/08/2023 12:32

a healthy dynamic in a relationship,
If you seriously believe the way he treats you is healthy, he's done a real number on you. As a PP said, he must have really worn you down over the years if you think this dreadful abuse is anywhere near OK.

DemelzaandRoss · 01/08/2023 12:34

I’m hoping that you are able to support yourself & DS.
Arrange legal advice. Ducks in a row. Tell close family & friends about his verbal abuse.
Take a big breath & work out a timeframe to finish your relationship with this ghastly man.

HamSandwichKiller · 01/08/2023 12:36

Once you leave him I can guarantee a hoard of your friends will let you know how relieved they are. He just uses most people's natural inclination to avoid conflict as a way to act like an asshole by stealth. Get away before he destroys all your self-esteem. You deserve better than this bully.

QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 01/08/2023 12:37

He is an abusive dick. Get legal advice and get out OP as it won't get better!!!

Blinkinbloodyhayfever · 01/08/2023 12:40

How a man behaves during an argument (classsic pressure environment) tells you who the man really is. Even in company he doesn't sound a particularly nice person. Don't let him be the person who teaches your child how a man behaves.

HVPRN · 01/08/2023 12:40

Dukeydo · 01/08/2023 11:44

I would just say simply ‘I think we have reached the end of the road. I have made plans for a holiday of my own with my mum (make it flexible as to if you can take your son or not) and I would like an amicable divorce and for us to respectfully coparent. Text him this and in the meanwhile ask your mum if you can stay with or without ds on a temporary basis while you sort a solicitor. Actions speak loudly than words and you can’t argue with a bully.

This 🙏🏻

And well done on the extended breastfeeding, I did it with my previous two (both self weaned) and currently BF my 8m old. My ex husband, and current husband both fully supported/support the commitment breastfeeding is and the benefit to the children.

Time to say goodbye to him based on.. well, everything you have said 👋🏻

Changeforachange · 01/08/2023 12:42

I know a man like this OP.

Your friends don't find him funny when he belittles you.

They worry about you & what it's like behind closed doors and would support you to leave.

Honestly, being 'likened' to a cunt, would be enough for me to explode.

I think you need to stop questioning your own behaviour & get extremely fucking angry at this man & how he is treating you.
How dare he.