What is it with men and conspiracy theories 🙄

[Titicacacandle]

Online dating and it seems the only men I seem to be attracted to seem to have so many issues that come up after a few chats!

Latest one, and not uncommon by a long shot, has told me that he doesn't pay his water bill because water is free from the sky and the water companies are poisoning us (but doesn't have a distiller so drinks out of plastic bottles and that can cause cancer if all your drinks are from plastic), doesn't pay council tax, doesn't work because he's awake and it's part of the matrix, 5g is going to fuck us all up and our cows are now being injected by another Bill Gates vaccine. I asked him what he did with his day if he doesn't work and he spends his days researching on what is going wrong in the world in the fight against good and evil.. oh and the huge American pedophile rings and social workers trafficking kids. I am a bloody SW, no we don't want your kids, caseloads are overwhelmed enough as it is thanks.

I just think it's sad that his life has become this. I told him we aren't compatible as we don't believe in the same stuff. I feel bad for him and did like the look of him but these conspiracy theories are mental illness. It's almost like they are the new religion with the fevered zelous that the newly converts preach.. even when you tell them you're not interested in conspiracy theories they still bang them down your throat!

The conspiracy theorist friend I talked about early on was discussing sex trafficking and organ harvesting about 20 years ago - that was considered a bonkers theory back then.

I remember him discussing surrogacy maybe 15 years ago, issues with women in certain countries basically being farmed for babies for rich people - there are noises that this is coming more to light now.

Critical thinking around a broad area of subjects (to be clear I’m not talking about the people who base their whole belief system on a tiktok video) is what some people do, it’s considered conspiracy theory because they’re addressing things that make people uncomfortable, or that they don’t believe.

MK ultra is also part of the Sandy Hook conspiracy. Are you really saying those people were actors? Are you really saying celebs have been replaced by clones. Are you really saying that music is brainwashing us into being controlled in the MK ultra way!

but you can’t get fat discussing that.

I have no idea what I meant to write there, but it wasn’t that 😂

MK Ultra is one of the most evil things on this planet. It involved the torture of a large number of people, many of them children. The children most vulnerable to this experimentation were the ones from the child protection system - the same profile that is most at risk of being trafficked. It traces its roots to the German war criminals brought over to America and Canada after WW2 (Operation Paperclip).

The survivor testimonials are out there for anyone to find - so many lives destroyed by this vile evil, all done under the auspices of healthcare and academe, by so-called highly educated professionals (doctors/government officials/mental health care staff/psychiatrists/professors/etc) and "experts."

I wasn’t aware that Sandy Hook had anything to do with MkUltra?

Is it not that some theorists believe in a great many different things?

I thought they were very separate things.

Interesting you mention music - does anyone else remember the epic threads about satanic imagery in music? Well worth a read if you can find them. There is definitely a trend towards much weirdness in music, whether it’s a deliberate agenda - fake or otherwise - I have no idea!

Sandy hook and mk ultra are not connected at all as far as I can see? Obviously if you have some new information, crazy conspiracy theorist you.

When I googled MK ultra that is what came up. So the mind control experiments that the CIA did progressed to puppetry, Sandy Hook etc to control people and cloning celebs to put music out to again mind control people. If that's what you believe then I have no more words!

Perhaps only by alex Jones haha or should I say bill hicks

I’ve never read that at all.
Sandy Hook (and other catastrophes) have been subject to accusations of crisis actors, which is disgusting.

MkUltra, to my knowledge, and the small amount I’ve read about it, was completely unconnected.

I think for some people it’s a way of airing the fact (their opinion) that they are very intelligent- particularly when there’s no other evidence you might expect to suggest this, maybe low self esteem if I’m being charitable. I also read in a few places that chemical enthusiasts are more prone to believing in them. I’m talking about the ranty types here who take everything possible in life, everything you might normally do and reframe it, indicating you’re stupid for ‘following’ along - right to lower level such as paying council tax, TV license, not parking on double yellows etc - as ‘common law’ 🤦🏻‍♀️ or even ‘maritime law’ 🤔 - and then right up to blood eating senators and bankers. They don’t debate it either - if they’ve said it then it’s an unalterable fact forever.
Still, managed to find one relatively normal appearing/sounding guy on OLD - didn’t say any of this - but turned out his part time hobby was finding religious sites and imparting his superior knowledge that God does not exist - this is another facet of some CT I find, but I can’t understand why you want to go round offending folk, so it’s another unmatch every time.

I don't feel superior for having a different view. Why do people assert this all the time? I don't think I'm super clever at all, slightly above average if anything. I do seem to see things differently to the majority of people, can't help this it's just the way I see the world. I question things that others seem to take for granted, I'm very curious, about everything. Why is this such a bad thing?

There are three conspiracy theorists in my life (well, on the edges of it now because I can no longer be doing with them). And they're all women. To be honest I find that even more disturbing, because I want to think that this.is exclusive to incel type men, not formerly sensible women. I really don't understand how they got to this state.

Why the fuck did USA invade Iraq? Nobody seemed to give a shit, well apart from the million people who marched in London. Wanking on endlessly on the BBC about the souped up dossier, they managed to make it all about themselves glossing over the many dead people. Nobody cares anymore, the media llied to you about weapons of mass destruction, but nope they are telling the truth this time.

"I want to think that this is exclusive to incel type men...."

The mainstream media does push this very conspiracy theory about people, like your three friends, who are very sceptical about what is reported in the mainstream media.

I don't understand why so many people take this stereotype as gospel, when a bit of their own independent research would easily debunk it.

And yet, rather than think 'She's not somebody I agree with', you still felt the urge to tell me that you wouldn't be interested in wasting your time with me...

Hence why it's a very bad idea for a woman to draw attention online to her views on this subject - men would feel the need to do far, far worse than just try to have the last word.

@Titicacacandle I'm not sure where you got your information on MK Ultra from, but the project was stopped in the 1970s. It has nothing to do with any more recent events. It was real and it was discussed in US Congress, there are government reports on it and there were a number of law suits over it. This is all on the public record.

The problem is that it's so utterly wild and unbelievable what was done under the program that some people think, "Well if the CIA did that, they can/will do anything."

Eh? It depends on the media. The media I was reading at that time was very anti Iraq war. In fact, unless you were reading right wing rags, most were. Let's not misremember the past.
The issue was the politicians were lying, not the 'media'
(On a side not it's always a red flag to me of low level thickness (sorry but I do) when someone talks about the 'media' as if it's one thing with the same agenda).

People smeared as conspiracy theorists who should never be listened to are talking about these things especially UPFs, I changed my own diet quite drastically after seeing a guy called Calley Means being interviewed by Russell Brand.

why do people specifically need to speak to you about refugee children before you believe that they would give a shit, how do you know what they don’t care about that and how do you know you’re not just talking about those individuals that you know of personally who sound like work shy losers? You are talking about an extreme subset of people and applying it to all people who listen to information with an open mind. This is how people with genuine concerns for example about COVID vaccines and shut down ‘You must also believe xyz’

i haven’t watched corporate media since the pandemic, something smelled off about the way we were supposed to look down our noses at people who didn’t take the vaccine and at the same time something was going on that I cared about wrt children being groomed and transitioned and the way a specific thing wasn’t represented on BBC news made me realise this channel has an agenda and I don’t share their values. But somehow with only getting my news from independent journalists who you would think crackpots I still know about the migrant kids who went missing from that hotel, I can’t remember where I saw that but I can guarantee that it would be an unauthorised crackpot source.

Something I notice about the independent journalists I watch from time to time is that they don’t display as much anger towards people who don’t think what they think as ‘mainstream’ believers do towards those who are sceptical, their anger is directed towards those in charge. I don’t believe everything I see and hear either but I don’t feel compelled to believe everything.

I feel angry that some people believe social workers are traffickers when we actually work with the real children that are being trafficked and not the fake conspiracy ones ie pizzagate. It does make me angry. Probably the same angry that people who worked in ICU and saw the deaths from covid get angry when it gets dismissed as a conspiracy theory.

I don't care about the vaccine, I don't have any views on whether someone had it or not. I don't think people who didn't have it are crackpots and I don't think people who did have it are sheep. I am completely neutral about it - apart from the myocarditis stuff. Those people who had that from the vaccine would have had it from covid and I think (not 100% because I don't care enough to look into it) more people had myocarditis from covid than the vaccine.

I don't care about the vaccine

And that’s fine. But it’s still real world stuff that people should be able to talk freely about, but they can’t. Why?

Why would you have a conversation with someone about something they don't want to talk about? CS do tend to keep telling the other person why they're right and the other person should wake up. I'm happy talking about real world things, I don't want to have a conversation about chips in vaccines, about it changing your dna, Bill Gates crap. I'm allowed to not be droned on at. It honestly comes across jehova witness on your door step style. That's what people think when someone starts on with it. They really are the new religion and people don't want to hear about it as they think what CS say is rubbish just like non believers think when JH come round to their door. It really is the same thing.

Well this thread filling up with people banging on about 'mainstream media' shows what happens when you say the words 'conspiracy theory' out loud.

I'd agree @Titicacacandle that appetite for having real discussions about real horrors like all those missing children and Home Office incompetence while Braverman gets herself photo opportunities is as nothing to the appetite for discussing batshit nonsense. And nearly everybody you talk to these days has at least one of these issues on which they seem to be convinced that They are somehow controlling something that is very obviously not under anyone's control. With most of these issues there is a reasonable version that means you don't necessarily realise how obsessed the person is until they suddenly start ranting and bringing out the nutter version.

Is there anything that NHS Blood and Transplant are doing? Presumably if these children are at risk of organ dealing the organs are going overseas? They must have some supply control?

huge American pedophile rings

Whats so crazy about that? Did Jeffery Epstein pass you by?

It sounds as though the numbers of people who trust the mainstream media as their primary source of what is real Vs what is fake is decreasing.

This means increasing numbers of people are starting to think critically instead of regurgitating what the establishment feeds them. I see that as a very positive development, not something to rant angrily about.

The media is not one homogenous group. They are all fighting for viewers and have political leanings (and yes the BBC are not impartial but it's politics not a conspiracy theory). They report the news in a way that increases their viewers. They do report real things, but unless you have genuine critical thinking you might be hard pressed to understand that and understand the slant different news outlets produce. It's like the reality of that bypasses conspiracy theorists.

The pedophile rings of young children being trafficked are not true. Do you believe Donald trump isn't really a sex offender himself (legally he is). Do you believe the 'media' report this to cover up their involvement in pedophile rings? If you do why do you believe that?

No one had answered my question on whether they believe celebs have been cloned and make mind control music either..

The refugee organ donation is usually within Turkey where some dc get lured away thinking they will be put on a boat to England/France/Germany. We don't know how common it is because the majority of those children end up dead and only a very few escape.

It's one thing to feel disillusioned with the way our country is run, our political system needs such a big overhaul. But nothing will change unless people start caring about the real things happening, vote, protest, get into parliament, become policy makers, get involved in their local parish council and actually do stuff instead of sitting inside watching videos moaning about They who control us. You let your life be controlled by these videos making things up and so are apathetic to any good change that could come about. And yes you can change things, look at the gender critical movement. It's an excellent example of how to organise and get things changed.