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Do people always discover affairs

34 replies

Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 12:22

Hi everyone,

For a long long time my marriage has been stale and lonely. I have tried to address this with dh many times, taking on board what we both say and want and coming at it from an angle that its both of us. In the beginning I assumed it was lost in the chaos of dc, work and general busy life but now im confused and for some time have suspected an affair.

Dh barley acknowledges my existence unless its to ask me something about dc or the running of the home.
He is never fully present with me. He is sometimes with the dc but prefers to be busy doing. He does pull his weight around the home and with childcare. He is not unkind just distant.
He never looks at me apart from the rare occasion when he wants sex. Its infrequent.
There is no affection, conversation or rapport between us.
I have to follow him around to try and chat to him and I get no response, im often ignored or get a grunt. He sometimes eye rolls or sighs.
He turns away from me, especially in bed. He sits with earphones in once dc are in bed.
He pretty much treats me like im invisible or just an appliance looking after the dc.
I have never felt so unloved and lonley and its beginning to affect my self esteem.

We have had a number of discussions about this. Its always initiated by me. He does not seem to care and never brings up wanting to fix the relationship. He would be happy to plod on like it is. During these discussions he says he is also unhappy but never comes up with fixes and says he is this way because I am. That makes no sense because its me who puts in all the effort to connect. He says he wants to stay married, loves me and wants us to be happy. Things never change though. Its all one sided.

I recently admitted to him that id been having treatment for an illness that id kept to myself. I had told him I was working late when I was in hospital. The reason I didn't say anything is because im embarrassed that since childbirth he is disgusted with my body and I didn't want to add to that. He was really hurt and said this is an example of me not making an effort in the relationship. The thing is I have lost a considerable amount of weight due to the pain of the illness and the stress of life. I feel awful about my body. On a recent family holiday I made a comment that I thought I looked ok in my swimwear but was upset about some areas due to the weightloss. He looked at my stomach and grimaced. During the rare times we have sex he says im sexy but out of that nothing. Its been weeks since I told him about the hospital stay and he hasn't asked once if all is going ok or if im feeling better.
I did say that I don't feel able to come to him with problems or worries because he either doesn't listen or will turn it round to be about him. He is really the last person I would call in an emergency or come to for support and help which is sad. I don't have anyone else in my life so I usually deal with anything alone. I used to go to him but its exhausting when you get disinterest or even a disagreement when you do.

I have asked about affair. It just seems so likely. Hes not interested in us and is glued to his phone.
I just can't see when he would find time though as he is only ever at work or home. I have no other proof. He obviously denies it.

I know my marriage is dead but I cant understand why his actions don't follow his words. I feel like I need a reason, such as affair, to find closure.

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Chowtime · 29/07/2023 12:24

No. People don't always discover affairs.

My own personal experience though is that a woman who suspects she is being cheated on does a more thorough investigation than the FBI would 😀

Chowtime · 29/07/2023 12:26

Just re-read your post and it oozes with unhappiness. You don't have to evidence an affair to give yourself permisssion to leave a relationship. You can leave a relationship just because you're unhappy. Instead of looking for evidence, why not start thinking about an exit plan? Sorry it must be so horrid for you right now.

swirly3468 · 29/07/2023 12:30

You need to leave him. Life is for living

Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 12:36

Its true I do need to leave. Im working in a plan. Its really hard anf I feel like such a failure and like il be judged negatively. If I ever mention separation he gets very upset. It makes bi sense, how can someone be upset about separation from someone they barely know exists.
What would he be upset about leaving behind? I can only assume its financial.

I do actually have a friend who does PI haha. Seems a waste of time though.

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Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 12:36

Sorry typing while looking after dc= typos

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Crikeyalmighty · 29/07/2023 12:48

@Catskidsandme I wouldn't necessarily think affair here- unless there are other pointers too-- rather someone who no longer is feeling it and has checked out. I found out totally by chance 7 yearsago my H had an emotional affair 10 years prior - and although I decided to remain in the marriage and he very much wanted me to , I was present but part of me mentally 'checked out' and I acted a bit like your H- maybe not quite as obvious though- sex went out the window too as far as I was concerned. Things are better but I've never 100% checked back in romance wise if I'm honest. My H asked me at the time if I wanted out (he clearly didn't) and I said no , as he was so upset that he had upset me so much. Your H 'may' feel he can't say he wants out or think that practically it's not doable but in his heart knows it's over- and once you get that feeling it's very hard to come back from and it shows in your behaviour. . I wouldn't 100% jump to affair- it may just be the connection is no longer there for him .

Crikeyalmighty · 29/07/2023 12:49

@Catskidsandme I too by the way got upset when my H asked me if I wanted to separate- even though in all honesty at that point I really didn't like him .

Specso · 29/07/2023 12:51

It’s so clear from your post how unhappy you are.

Words often don’t match actions. If you’ve raised your unhappiness with him, tried to talk, tried to make an effort and he’s done absolutely nothing to make an effort then he doesn’t care. He could say ‘I love you, I fancy you, I want us to be happy and stay married’ every single day for the next 20 years but if he DOES nothing to make you happy? What he’s saying is then meaningless.

You don’t need evidence of an affair to leave. You only get one precious life and it’s for living to the full and making yourself and your children happy.

In answer to your original question, many affairs go undiscovered.

Littlesprouts · 29/07/2023 12:52

This actually sounds very similar to my DP. I know he is depressed and stressed but it's coming to a point where I don't think I can take anymore. He is no support to me and very little to DCs. So could it be that?

I don't suspect an affair largely because he doesn't look after himself and his personal hygiene isn't great. To be honest I wouldn't really care if he was. At least something or someone would be giving him something to be happy about.

osi · 29/07/2023 12:52

The sad truth is that it takes one person to end a marriage but two to fix it. If it's dead in the water and you're waiting for him to step up, you'd be better off getting yourself sorted and walking.

Blueash · 29/07/2023 13:08

I would not stay in an unhappy relationship but people do it all the time. I know several "couples" that simply share a living space and are quite comfortable. They usually have years if not decades of being together, might have raised a family and have no impetus to leave.

Affairs are not real life - for a start you only ever see the person when you have newly washed hair and are wearing nice underwear. You are not paying bills with them, or raising kids with them. The sex has a bit of spice because it is secret and so exciting. You have to plan rendezvous and look forward to it all. The anticipation all adds to the mix for making it wonderful.

I hope you find some happiness just don't look to this man to provided it. You have to find it from within. Failing that you have to realise that the qualities such as being loving, faithful and always pleased to see you describe the average Labrador rather than the average man.

Crikeyalmighty · 29/07/2023 13:13

@Blueash never a truer word spoken!!

Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 13:15

Your all right. I suppose the affair thing is just a way to explain this behavior but maybe there is no way of explaining it beyond that he no longer wants to be married. I have given him opportunity to seperate but as I said he says its not what he wants. Maybe he wants me to be the one to actually pull the trigger and do the heavy lifting, figures doesn't it. Which I will. He probably can't even be bothered to think about sorting finances and such out.

I have switched off from him now. Im just going about my life as if im already single with the dc. Can't see that he will notice.

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mimi98 · 29/07/2023 13:18

To answer your question, OP, not all affairs are discovered especially where the person wants to keep the marriage and the affair partner.
He might well be having an affair (for sex?) but also wants to remain married to you. Could that be it?

Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 13:20

@Blueash funny you should say that as I do infact have a beautiful large dog. Shes my heart and soul.
Il be happily single for the rest of my life to be honest. Im at the point where I cant see what id get from a man ever again.

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Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 13:27

@mimi98 makes sense the more I write on here and the more I reflect. Probably easier for him to stay for practical reasons alone.

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Milyt · 29/07/2023 13:32

I think it’s time to bring your unhappiness to an end. He won’t change.

Thethingswedoforlove · 29/07/2023 13:45

Do you think he might want the marriage to continue for the sake of the children? Be willing to put up with a dead marriage for their sake? I know someone in that category even tho they have said they hate their partner they won’t leave them because the children would be upset..:.

Thethingswedoforlove · 29/07/2023 13:46

I’m not suggesting he feels that way aboht you of course. More that if someone I know irl feels that strongly if he is largely checked out then maybe it’s for the dc from his perspective that he wants to stay?

CaroHart · 29/07/2023 13:50

There are four enormous red flags in a marriage - criticism, contempt, defensiveness and stonewalling. You've described all of them in your husband. You really need to tell him to shape up or ship out, and mean it. Would you try couples therapy? You deserve to feel loved and cherished, as does your partner. If it's not happening with the two of you, find somebody you can have that with.

Fraaahnces · 29/07/2023 13:58

Is it possible that he has erectile dysfunction and is letting you take the blame for HIS inadequacies? Could he be gay? I think that while there are more possibilities than an affair, you are not at all as happy as you deserve to be. Staying in this relationship sounds much more lonely than being single.

Catskidsandme · 29/07/2023 13:59

Im guessing but he could be partly staying for the dc and partly financial. Its complicated separating when you have a mortgage and other financial ties isnt it and perhaps he can't be bothered to go through all that.

I did have the cards on the table, ultimateum conversation with him a month ago and again last week. Still no change so I have to be the one to mean what I said.
I did say that the dc are watching us and may think this is normal in a relationship. He said he would be unhappy if they were in a similar marriage in the future. They are both girls and I want them to expect to be cherished and respected when the time comes.

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Crikeyalmighty · 29/07/2023 14:15

@Catskidsandme you are correct. Practicalities can tie you together and you still have children. In my case the practicalities element was a biggie as we worked together and I was in my 50s and we don't really have assets in terms of a house etc . - I did still care too , just never felt 100% the same romantically or sexually - if it was as crappy as you describe (and it wasn't) OP , yep I would be ending it. There clearly is no longer a connection. Someone once said to me some relationships are for life, some are for a particular period in life - none is a failure-- it's more of a failure staying in something that's simply not working for either of you- you may be doing him a long term favour too, although initially he might not see that. This goes for friends too.

Fraaahnces · 29/07/2023 14:16

Get out, honey. You can’t drive a relationship by yourself. He’s not there.

Mari9999 · 29/07/2023 14:18

@Catskidsandme
He may have long ago reached the point where you are now. If you were hospitalized and did not share that information with him that was a pretty significant unspoken statement about your feelings for him.

You question why he might want to stay in the marriage, but maybe you should question why you are staying. Maybe both of you are staying for convenience and familiarity. It may be that neither of you see much better waiting for you on the other side.

If this situation becomes truly unbearable or one or the other of you see/have a new relationship on the horizon, maybe then one of you will be motivated to separate or divorce.

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