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Comp-het and long term relationships.

33 replies

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 18:44

This is not a TAAT, but I didn’t want to post on the currant thread as it wouldn’t be fair on the op.
I’ve wanted to start a thread about this for a while, but coming out as a lesbian having been in a long term relationship/marriage goes down like a cup of cold sick here, and I do think it needs discussing.

I’m in my 50s. Was married for 25 years until we separated a few years ago.

Comp-het, or compulsory heterosexuality, for anyone who has never heard the term, is growing up understanding that being straight is the only way, that liking the same sex wasn’t just not an option, but wasn’t even on the radar to begin with. This applies to me. There was no comprehension that I might be a lesbian. I was a late developer, had other interests, assumed I wasn’t really a “sex person”.

By my mid 20s I met my ex, we clicked and got on well, and got married and had 3 children. He wasn’t the greatest husband or father, not abusive at all, but not very involved and had quite a 50s attitude to child rearing - it was my job, along with all the other house and child related roles (but you see this with most relationships in my experience) but despite that things were ok.

Sex was never a great burning passionate thing, we were each others first, it was generally routine and ok, but not very enjoyable. Neither of us had anything to compare it to so felt it was satisfactory.

In my 40s, due to some family issues, I developed quite severe mental health problems and needed antidepressants and therapy. This brought about a dramatic shift in me, and a realisation that I was a lesbian.
A few years later we separated, at my request, because of reasons unrelated to my sexuality. To be honest had we worked together as a team and been more or less happy we would probably still be together.

As it is no one knows I’m a lesbian. Having read many threads here and the reaction posters get when they come out as gay/lesbian later in life, I probably won’t ever come out. I’ve never slept with a woman, and at this point I’m sure I can live a happy life in my own.

But this happens. It can be as big a shock to those of us to realise, and I do understand that for many women (I’m not a man so I’m not even going to guess at their feelings around this issue) once you know, you want to live your fullest life and be happy. So how can this be done if the prevailing attitude is that we’ve lied for years?

I wonder if there’s an acceptable way to handle this? I’m sure this happens a lot. I’ve certainly read many experiences, but I’m none the wiser how it should be done?

Had I known I was a lesbian I wouldn’t have married. But I didn’t know, I was plodding on with my life. I settled (as did ExH) as so many do.

It’s a lot to read how selfish this is, how gays/lesbians have lied for years, how it is the ultimate betrayal. In my own experience I didn’t lie - I didn’t have the knowledge/understanding of myself to know. But many don’t understand this. Sexuality isn’t always black and white.

So in this situation what would you do? Would you judge me for staying closeted? Would you judge me for coming out?
I see little judgement for men or women splitting because they’re unhappy, then meeting someone. But if you do this and meet someone of the same sex it’s judged far more harshly.

I do see the issue. I can imagine Ex’s feelings if I met someone and announced that I’m a lesbian. It would be harder for him than if I met a man. But why? Either way we didn’t work out, but same sex relationships are seen as a far bigger betrayal, and I sway between understanding and seeing it as engrained societal homophobia.

I’m posting as I’m interested in people’s thoughts here. Thank you.

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VeryQuaintIrene · 07/07/2023 18:51

There's a book called "Late Bloomers" about women in your situation that might help you, if you haven't read it. I haven't, being an early bloomer myself (!) I wonder if you are imagining that there would be more hostility to you coming out than there actually would be. Your situation is far from uncommon and since you are already separated from your husband, what do you have to lose by coming out now? When people are unfairly judgy about "selfishness", it's often because a family is being split up in the process, but that's not what's happening here. Best of luck to you, and I don't think you need to fear as much as you are.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2023 18:57

I think it's different between men and women. I've never met or heard of a man who didn't know he was gay from quite an early age so when they get into straight relationships they really are being dishonest or at best making an effort to be something they're not.
Women not being aware until later in life is much more common.

Gwenhwyfar · 07/07/2023 18:58

"since you are already separated from your husband, what do you have to lose by coming out now?"

Equally, what does she have to gain unless/until she has a girlfriend she wants to introduce to people?

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 18:59

I hope you are able to find someone who is right for you and makes you happy - you're not accountable to anyone but yourself. So many people have done exactly what you did; it's easy to forget how homophobic society was until recently. You only have one life to live though, so don't let fear of stupid people's disapproval put you off being yourself 💐❤

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 19:00

I’ve heard of the book, but I haven’t read it.
In my case I believe it would split the family up - my family (my siblings and parents) have very firm and religious views about this, my ex would be devastated (we still coparent teens), so this very much would rock the boat, and would most definitely affect my children.

Maybe I’ve got an unrealistic view basing it on MN reactions, but it does make me wonder.

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MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 19:02

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 19:00

I’ve heard of the book, but I haven’t read it.
In my case I believe it would split the family up - my family (my siblings and parents) have very firm and religious views about this, my ex would be devastated (we still coparent teens), so this very much would rock the boat, and would most definitely affect my children.

Maybe I’ve got an unrealistic view basing it on MN reactions, but it does make me wonder.

If, after 50-odd years, your parents' and siblings' love and acceptance are conditional upon you toeing the line, I'd say sod the lot of them!

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 19:03

... why would your ex be devastated? And would he be equally devastated if you met a man you fancied the pants off?

KomodoDodo · 07/07/2023 19:04

what a very brave and moving post. I’d encourage you to share with those you trust when you are ready. Everyone deserves to live honestly.

I’d recommend the book ‘untamed’ by Gelnnon Doyle. Who came to the same realisation later in life. Its a beautiful book for any woman to read who is post children and marriage and finding her way back to herself regardless of sexuality. But might also not feel so alone in what you are going through as she too realised she was gay later on in her life and marriage.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 19:06

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 19:03

... why would your ex be devastated? And would he be equally devastated if you met a man you fancied the pants off?

I’ve tried to work this out many times.
He’s very set in his ways and married for life. He was happy to tolerate a miserable existence and conditioned himself to believe he was happy.
I feel quite sorry for him, but I know him well enough to know that he’ll never meet anyone else.

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VeryQuaintIrene · 07/07/2023 19:06

I get the impression that most children are growing up today with much more liberal attitudes than in the past, so you might be surprised at their reaction. It's a horrible cliche, but you do only have one life and if you don't want to make the plunge, that's your choice, but it seems like a pity to assume that you can't find new love and fulfillment because of what others might think. It is 2023, not 1963.

BunsenBurnerBaby · 07/07/2023 19:08

If I ever have a relationship again it would likely be with a woman. I don’t like any of the labels. But then I think if I were in your situation my family and friends would all be fine with my partner being a woman. I have friends who have partnered with a woman after a heterosexual LTR and no-one I know batted an eye.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 19:10

KomodoDodo · 07/07/2023 19:04

what a very brave and moving post. I’d encourage you to share with those you trust when you are ready. Everyone deserves to live honestly.

I’d recommend the book ‘untamed’ by Gelnnon Doyle. Who came to the same realisation later in life. Its a beautiful book for any woman to read who is post children and marriage and finding her way back to herself regardless of sexuality. But might also not feel so alone in what you are going through as she too realised she was gay later on in her life and marriage.

Thank you, just spotted the book on eBay and bought it!
I’d like to read Late Bloomer but it’s an obvious title that I daren’t have at home!

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LozzaChops101 · 07/07/2023 19:11

Good luck OP. I think you don’t owe anything to anyone else at this point and you should do what feels right to you. I’ve had opposite experiences to you, in that all of the late bloomers that I know have had very easy coming outs (obviously slightly disgruntled ex husbands) compared to those of us who blundered out as young’uns. Obviously everyone’s different, and I don’t have much experience of religious objections. I think, if you wanted to, you could find quite the community out there.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 19:14

LozzaChops101 · 07/07/2023 19:11

Good luck OP. I think you don’t owe anything to anyone else at this point and you should do what feels right to you. I’ve had opposite experiences to you, in that all of the late bloomers that I know have had very easy coming outs (obviously slightly disgruntled ex husbands) compared to those of us who blundered out as young’uns. Obviously everyone’s different, and I don’t have much experience of religious objections. I think, if you wanted to, you could find quite the community out there.

They’re not religious people until it comes to relationships - anything other than straight is fine for other people, but not for them.

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MintyCedric · 07/07/2023 19:21

I’m not in your situation and as far as know don’t know anyone who has been. What I will say is this.

If I met you for the first time I would accept you for who you are, and if I was a friend or family member I would support you in whatever life choice made you happy.

Good luck however you decide to move forward.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 07/07/2023 19:23

As a bisexual woman who looks from the outside to be completely heterosexual (married for 13 years, got kids) and gets assumed to be straight regularly, I have a lot of sympathy for this situation. It's really difficult when you realise you are attracted to women and live in a world that isn't set up for that in any way, shape or form. When I realised I was attracted to women, I was working in an extremely homophobic place where they literally ran another manager out of the store because she was a "fanny licker" and I didn't dare tell anyone until my last day working there when my girlfriend came to pick me up.

I think you should do what makes you happy but obviously you're not going to be happy if you go off into the sunset with a girlfriend at this point in time because you're feeling responsible for the happiness of everyone around you and don't want to have to deal with the fallout. I think this is completely fair and I don't think heterosexual women can necessarily understand this (or perhaps some are willfully blind) because they haven't been in this situation, hence all the nasty comments aimed at lesbian women on this forum. It's not the same as a het couple having an affair because there is this added layer of people not understanding that not everyone has insight into their sexuality at 16 (because they did).

You also have to deal with people's internalised homophobia and misogyny, both of which lead some people to not understand why you would leave what they perceive as a better human (a man) and replace him with what they believe to be a lesser human (a woman).

IRL, when you come out, IME it's a big deal to some people and then other people are totally amazing about it, and you can't necessarily predict who will do what.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 20:04

Thank you for all your kind answers, this is not what I was expecting at all!

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MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 20:38

You never know, one of your children might be gay and you coming out as your true self could be the catalyst for their own liberation? Whatever you decide to do, I wish you happiness and peace 🕊❤

Otherpeoplemanage · 07/07/2023 20:51

Yes, this was me also.

Other people will not understand.
They will think sexuality is just about who you have sex with and it’s absolutely isn’t.
My friends do not understand.
The concealing of one’s true self is hard.

There’s a community of us on fb. If you want me to add you send me a PM.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 21:08

Otherpeoplemanage · 07/07/2023 20:51

Yes, this was me also.

Other people will not understand.
They will think sexuality is just about who you have sex with and it’s absolutely isn’t.
My friends do not understand.
The concealing of one’s true self is hard.

There’s a community of us on fb. If you want me to add you send me a PM.

Yes please! Assuming it’s private!

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JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 21:09

Will pm you later, just sorting out grotty children!

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Crikeyalmighty · 07/07/2023 21:25

I've realised very very late that I am A sexual - I've never been bothered about sex to be honest but I do like relationships. I'm not attracted to sex with a woman either.

It is what it is OP!! Better late than never

Darhon · 07/07/2023 21:37

Came out in my mid 40s. Realised as I turned 40. There was a comp het element but I was also very happy for a long time as a het (though a late developer too, then 3 kids and a couple of decades with a man). So I never felt I’d hidden my true self or found myself. Been with a woman for 2 years now. It’s really very common and no-one has judged me, to my face anyway.

BiologicalKitty · 07/07/2023 21:54

It's simply amazing what a mindfuck comp-het is, really. I came out after leaving my ex, and the religion I was raised in. I squashed my real feelings down so small for so long, I'd even forgotten that I'd already come out to the ex about 10 years into our marriage. But these sorts of feelings couldn't possibly be acknowledged, so it was brushed away like an annoying fly, and I was expected to keep plodding on. Which I did, until I couldn't anymore.

I never received any judgement from friends, but I became quite strict about who I allowed in my life anyway. Better boundaries led me to a better understanding of myself - win-win!

I wouldn't judge you, OP. Of course I wouldn't. And I give you no advice on what you should do, apart from follow your own path, and decide for yourself what is right for you. That might change in time, and that's OK too.

QuitChewingMyPlectrum · 07/07/2023 22:01

I wouldn't judge you. In fact, I struggle with the idea that we should judge how other people live their lives so long as they're not deliberately hurting others....
relationships have a shelf life. Some are forever, others are not.
If you asked me for advice I'd advise you to remove other people's judgement from your life and be YOU. X Hope you find happiness, peace, and if you want it, love.

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