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Comp-het and long term relationships.

33 replies

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 07/07/2023 18:44

This is not a TAAT, but I didn’t want to post on the currant thread as it wouldn’t be fair on the op.
I’ve wanted to start a thread about this for a while, but coming out as a lesbian having been in a long term relationship/marriage goes down like a cup of cold sick here, and I do think it needs discussing.

I’m in my 50s. Was married for 25 years until we separated a few years ago.

Comp-het, or compulsory heterosexuality, for anyone who has never heard the term, is growing up understanding that being straight is the only way, that liking the same sex wasn’t just not an option, but wasn’t even on the radar to begin with. This applies to me. There was no comprehension that I might be a lesbian. I was a late developer, had other interests, assumed I wasn’t really a “sex person”.

By my mid 20s I met my ex, we clicked and got on well, and got married and had 3 children. He wasn’t the greatest husband or father, not abusive at all, but not very involved and had quite a 50s attitude to child rearing - it was my job, along with all the other house and child related roles (but you see this with most relationships in my experience) but despite that things were ok.

Sex was never a great burning passionate thing, we were each others first, it was generally routine and ok, but not very enjoyable. Neither of us had anything to compare it to so felt it was satisfactory.

In my 40s, due to some family issues, I developed quite severe mental health problems and needed antidepressants and therapy. This brought about a dramatic shift in me, and a realisation that I was a lesbian.
A few years later we separated, at my request, because of reasons unrelated to my sexuality. To be honest had we worked together as a team and been more or less happy we would probably still be together.

As it is no one knows I’m a lesbian. Having read many threads here and the reaction posters get when they come out as gay/lesbian later in life, I probably won’t ever come out. I’ve never slept with a woman, and at this point I’m sure I can live a happy life in my own.

But this happens. It can be as big a shock to those of us to realise, and I do understand that for many women (I’m not a man so I’m not even going to guess at their feelings around this issue) once you know, you want to live your fullest life and be happy. So how can this be done if the prevailing attitude is that we’ve lied for years?

I wonder if there’s an acceptable way to handle this? I’m sure this happens a lot. I’ve certainly read many experiences, but I’m none the wiser how it should be done?

Had I known I was a lesbian I wouldn’t have married. But I didn’t know, I was plodding on with my life. I settled (as did ExH) as so many do.

It’s a lot to read how selfish this is, how gays/lesbians have lied for years, how it is the ultimate betrayal. In my own experience I didn’t lie - I didn’t have the knowledge/understanding of myself to know. But many don’t understand this. Sexuality isn’t always black and white.

So in this situation what would you do? Would you judge me for staying closeted? Would you judge me for coming out?
I see little judgement for men or women splitting because they’re unhappy, then meeting someone. But if you do this and meet someone of the same sex it’s judged far more harshly.

I do see the issue. I can imagine Ex’s feelings if I met someone and announced that I’m a lesbian. It would be harder for him than if I met a man. But why? Either way we didn’t work out, but same sex relationships are seen as a far bigger betrayal, and I sway between understanding and seeing it as engrained societal homophobia.

I’m posting as I’m interested in people’s thoughts here. Thank you.

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SoWhatEh · 07/07/2023 22:08

Is it all or nothing OP? Could you not start to explore your sexuality by dating women, sleeping with someone if it felt right and then allowing your life to evolve naturally either towards coming out or staying in the closet (I think you have the right to either.)

If you do meet someone and want to come out, it's perfectly legitimate to say you must be bi, as your marriage had been genuine.

PermanentTemporary · 07/07/2023 22:22

I think younger people perhaps just don't remember or never knew just how homophobic society was until very recently. Hideously so. Hence some of the 'living a lie' comments - they have no idea. (Of course some of them are in fact homophobic as well). I have my own history with comp-het and I know it's real. I hope you find peace and a life that's true to yourself.

MostlyBlueberryFlavoured · 07/07/2023 22:36

In real life I know several women who have come out as gay after long marriages and children; I would say they are all happy with their decisions and accepted by their friends and families.

WinterDeWinter · 07/07/2023 22:47

I agree that because most men aren't raised to be somewhat, i dunno, 'detached'? from their own sexuality as lots of women are, they do know with some degree of certainty at an earlier age that they are gay. Hence the opprobrium for making their wife live the lie with them.

I think if you're a middle aged woman and were brought up in an apparently liberal environment, you'll have absorbed the truism that 'most women have some lesbian fantasies' as a teen. I think that can confuse things for some women who are actually lesbian.

Otherpeoplemanage · 07/07/2023 23:05

Yes it’s a private group - you can only find it if you are invited!

AltitudeCheck · 08/07/2023 09:48

You write so eloquently and I'm glad people here have been so kind. It's in such contrast to other posts where the OP has been treated horribly and gives me hope.

I am gobsmacked how many people on MN seem to think they 'know' what it's like and are quick to label people as liars for discovering their true sexuality later in life (or to claim that it's clearly different for men!). We each can only 'know' how it is for ourselves.

JamesAndTheGiantReach · 08/07/2023 12:01

I feel like this has gone down well because I haven’t met someone and I’m happy not to.
Leaving a marriage and entering a same sex relationship tends to be split - it would be interesting to hear other views as well.

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PermanentTemporary · 08/07/2023 21:03

Im trying to imagine what it would have been like if my first husband, who I think was definitely bisexual, had left me for a man.

If I'm really honest, I think I would have known that people would have been more upset with him than if he'd left me for another woman. Homophobia hasn't gone away.

I think if he'd ended the marriage because he felt he couldn't be himself within it, and then met a man afterwards, that would have been felt more dignified for us both. But I think quite a lot of people don't realise who they are until they fall for someone else.

Tbh not a great example because I was so unhappy in that marriage I would have welcomed any way of ending it with total joy😝

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