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Not sure I can live with DP - mess/disorganisation

77 replies

Menelope · 16/06/2023 08:29

I love my DP we do not live together, we can’t afford it as we both have our own kids so we decided to just save up where we can for the future one day. We swap around sleeping at each others houses on various evenings but both of us prefer our own homes and we spend less and less time together, not sleeping in the same place very often. Do you think we are incompatible? How do you manage this?

I have a cat and DP is mildly allergic to it. This is why he doesn’t stay at mine as much although my house is bigger. My house is generally clean and tidy as it helps me focus, I don’t like not being able to find things. I don’t ever nit pick at him for anything if he is in my house but he acts like I do, afraid to mess anything up. I have no problem if things get messed up, kitchens get messy when you use them and I just clear it up after. After dinner I would clear up then sit down for the evening. He would just leave everything and intend to do it another time. My kids have messy rooms which are their responsibility but we all keep our communal areas reasonably tidy together. If he’s at my house he would help me clear up the kitchen if we cooked together. I like to start my weekend by getting up early and doing laundry/cleaning for an hour or 2 then I have the whole weekend free to go do things. He never does this and lies in bed. He works less hours than I do so has more time than I do.

DP’s place is so chaotic it feels claustrophobic, it’s smaller than mine so all the things everywhere make it feel tiny. I have no space for anything at his house and if I did, I would struggle to find them each time so I never leave anything there. He never puts laundry away, it’s just piled up all over the house. He has papers and stuff everywhere on every surface. He can often go weeks not tidying anything up at all so it looks like a bomb has gone off. His kids never clear anything up either. They drop everything on the floor or throw it somewhere. He doesn’t mind this although he always seems stressed and can’t find things and often has to ask me where I have seen something (and I usually can remember it weirdly). I did used to try to help him out, but he says I don’t need to do now I don’t. He isn’t ‘dirty’ as in he will change the sheets and he does laundry so they wear clean clothes. His fridge and cupboards though everything is gone off or falling out onto the floor.

I don’t think I could live with him like this, coming home to an absolute mess caused by him/kids and he doesn’t really think it’s important so they wouldn’t clear it up, even though he can never find anything and is always stressed about it, or him being afraid of me getting annoyed and not really being happy living with me judging his mess. Would I just end up endlessly stressed? Am I too uptight? No one really likes housework I get that, but he almost seems to be adverse to the concept of it actually benefitting your life. I don’t even think there is a compromise although I would settle for a set day a week where we tackled mess and cleared it up, I think this would soon slide and it would be me doing it for my own benefit. 😞

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Menelope · 16/06/2023 09:43

PomPomtheGreat · 16/06/2023 09:38

No matter what you choose to put up with for yourself, please never, ever expect your children to live in these sort of conditions with a man like this.

I don’t know if it would bother my DC their bedrooms are tips! Just that I have consistently worked with them to keep the communal areas in a good state for all our benefits

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Twiggledee · 16/06/2023 09:46

Do not move in with this man. It will destroy you. It is really demoralising and eventually depressing.

Therealjudgejudy · 16/06/2023 09:50

He sounds vile. Do not subject your children with having to live in his conditions

GracePalmer33 · 16/06/2023 10:01

Sounds stressful. I'd hate this. I struggle as it is with my husband who is relatively clean & tidy in comparison.

I don't understand what it is that makes me able to remember exactly where ALL of my husbands random things are. It's surely witchcraft? I don't really remember much else 😂

Menelope · 16/06/2023 10:22

@GracePalmer33 i think I have a strange memory. It didn’t help me in my school exams as I didn’t know about it then 😂 but I have this ability to recall so many details of things. I can tell you what people wore, I don’t forget names and all kinds of things. I can even recall a whole conversation that happened a long time ago. Like photographs or a video. I don’t think DP has this ability so it’s not his fault, the reason I like to be tidy is because it is those memory photographs that make life easier. When I realised that in my 20’s became tidy to make life less stressful. I think you can brain train yourself to do this but it takes effort

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BMW6 · 16/06/2023 10:33

Well absolutely DO NOT MOVE IN TOGETHER.

You can carry on as you are living separately (why not - I would if I could frankly) or end the relationship altogether.

OrbandSpectacle · 16/06/2023 12:25

He has no respect for you, not cleaning up when you are going to stay at his and you have none for yourself by staying.

Bananalanacake · 16/06/2023 15:06

You can have a relationship without living together you know. Go on YouTube and watch 'how Clean is your house'. Is his place as bad as the homes on there?

JuneOsborne · 16/06/2023 15:12

Oh mate. I wouldn't ever want to go there.

I get that housework is boring and all that. But this sounds like another level. The time spent being frantic could have been spent clearing up after dinner or whatever and then it wouldn't be frantic, would it? I mean that's such a simple concept, I have to ask if he's a bit thick?

I'd be out. I'm my clean, normal home.

Menelope · 16/06/2023 16:52

It’s not just the cleaning trying to make plans with him is annoying. He won’t plan in advance he just lives in the moment

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Aquamarine1029 · 16/06/2023 21:06

It's very, very concerning that you're even with this man. Why are your standards so shockingly low?

thecatsmeows · 16/06/2023 21:35

Since leaving my husband, I've lived on my own for so long - 13 years - that even though I've been with my boyfriend for 14 years I have no intention of living with him...for the same reasons as yours.

Frankly, my boyfriend is a pig. He's an only child, very traditional parents in that his mother did all the housework (still does). Very bad example set to him and even though he thinks he's a 'modern man' he really isn't. He will happily leave mess/just doesn't see it. A prime example is he was staying at mine for a week after I'd slipped my disc - yes he was doing all the cooking, but I'd then have to spend an hour cleaning up after him...and one day I noticed him putting his flip flops on when he got out of bed - I don't like outdoor shoes of any type being worn around my flat - and I asked him why...he said the floor needed hoovering. I blew my top and and asked if he was waiting for the 'maid' (me) to do. He then did get the hoover out and do it (a very bad job). He never cleans out the cat litter, mops the floors, etc...or even clean the bath/basin after using it. Drives me fucking insane!

I'm bipolar and mess stresses me out. My home is far from a showhome, put I can't live in a tip, either.

BackAgainstWall · 16/06/2023 22:07

And I wonder why is wife left him!

He won’t change and resentment will kill this relationship.

Honestly it’s disgusting 🤮

Why are you putting yourself through this.

Dirty man.

Manthide · 17/06/2023 06:39

I'm not naturally the tidiest of people but as my dh was brought up as the only son in a very traditional household (from abroad) it mostly gets left to me. If I had my time again I wouldn't accept the situation ( been with him almost 40 years). However lovely he was there is no way I would be able to put up and enjoy my time at your dp's house. Would a dishwasher help?

Manthide · 17/06/2023 06:48

As I've said I'm not naturally tidy, forever having to remember to close drawers, cupboards etc but I make myself check before I leave the room that I've closed everything and put everything away. I do try and keep the communal areas clean and reasonably tidy as I think it reduces stress for everyone. Dd2 is married with a young child and when I visit her I just want to take all the bins out, put at least half the toys in a,basket and just generally put things away. I don't as it's her house. I suppose I made her tidy after herself when she lived with me so I didn't realise she was so messy. And her flat is twice the size of our house (which used to house 6 of us compared to her 3).

ZekeZeke · 17/06/2023 06:51

You are not compatible.
He is a dirty, lazy disorganised irresponsible man child.
Stop staying over at his.
He must have mice/rats with all that waste lying around. It's disgusting.
Bet you try to clean/tidy while you are there? Please don't and don't move in.
You will be cleaning and tidying up after a family and it will be like shovelling snow while snowing.

Nothingbuttheglory · 17/06/2023 06:57

please never, ever expect your children to live in these sort of conditions with a man like this.

Totally agree with this. Do not move in with him. I don't know how you can continue a relationship with him at all, tbh.

Also, it sounds as though he may be neglecting his own children. Are conditions safe and hygienic for them? Thinking about food hygiene, bathrooms, their bedding and bedrooms. Does the clutter constitute a fire hazard?

ThatFraggle · 17/06/2023 07:03

He used to tidy up when he thought you might dump him for the mess.

Now he thinks you're locked in, so he no longer cares.

Ohwhatakerfuffle · 17/06/2023 07:07

My partner and I are exactly the same. We’ll never live together but that works for us, we just focus on enjoying the best of each other, both living how we each want to live on our own homes.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 17/06/2023 07:21

He sounds like source of current irritation and, were you to go mad and live with him, a future source of total misery.

He won’t change.

MamaBear4ever · 17/06/2023 07:53

I could not live with that chaos and you know you can't either. So unless he is willing to change or you are happy to continue to live separately for ever can't see much of a future

Aussiebean · 17/06/2023 08:06

Doesn’t sound like you are compatible, but it might be worth getting him to do an online adhd test as a starting point.

doesn’t mean you stay with him, or put up with it. But wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t been diagnosed with it.

SnapPop · 17/06/2023 08:13

OP, to be honest I think this relationship may have run its course. You definitely can't move in together, which wouldn't necessarily be a problem to keep living separately for the moment, but I think it would bother me to feel that the relationship would never be able to progress in future. Also, even if you don't move in, you don't even like visiting his house and he doesn't like visiting yours! It's a shame but this just seems doomed to failure

Menelope · 17/06/2023 08:31

he had a blitz again so it’s much more pleasant tbh but he was all tired out from it (I worked all day myself) and we just sat staring at TV all eve, doing nothing saying nothing. I felt like he didn’t really want me here and would have liked to just lie in front of the TV watching his show. I did comment that he never comes to my house any more but he didn’t have a response.

I suggested 5 different things we could do/go this weekend as we have no kids, he was non committal to all my suggestions but wants to go cinema with his friend. It’s made me realise that I do everything else that everyone else wants to do and never do anything I want to do. I’m not giving myself the opportunity to do anything I enjoy. Life revolves around kids work and housework and nothing else. My needs are always on hold to go stand in some park or traipse around Lidl even when I don’t have my own kids with me. Then when we are free as adults, we aren’t doing anything. I asked him what him and his ex wife used to do on the weekend before children and it was pretty social.

When I told him I wanted a social hobby of my own he decided to come up with what he thought was funny, but generally just either things I could do alone at my house (missing the point) or suggestions of meeting and hanging out with old people.

I really need to focus on making new friends and enjoying my own interests. I will be honest I feel a bit lonely.

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SnapPop · 17/06/2023 08:36

He rejected all 5 of your suggestions for couple time, and the only thing he wants to do is go to the cinema with his friend? This is sad OP 😞