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Trial Separation nightmare

45 replies

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 11:48

Husband and I decided on a trial separation with a view to repairing our marriage whilst having time apart to assess and reflect back in January. We were also hoping to reignite our feelings for each other. We have 2 children. We were not spending any time together, separate rooms, I felt that he turned everything into an argument as he didn't want to try to understand my POV about anything at all. I got fed up of being told that I'm "ridiculous" "unreasonable" "irrational" and "mental."

Our feelings have reignited quite a lot in our time apart and we were on our second relationship counsellor since he left hoping to work things out. He has softened in many ways and become more loving (away from the childrenof course). We recently had a family holiday and in the evenings had a very full on intimate and loving relationship whilst the children were in bed. However, the trial separation has in some ways, made everything worse and he has since returned to his parents house following the holiday as we don't want to rush into things and confuse the children should it not work out.

He has been living with his parents temporarily since leaving. His mother has never liked me (very bitter woman in general) and has not been in touch at all since he went to live there. His sisters all felt sorry for him that he'd had to move out and seemingly turned on me, deleting me from social media and the family whatsapp group. Again, zero contact with them since he left.

Under his family's and friends influence, he has received validation that he has been "doing nothing wrong" as he repeats to me so often now. However, we have just left our second relationship counsellor who has described him as "rigid" "has a fixed mindset" "isn't open to change." And she has said he needs independent therapy, exactly what the previous relationship counsellor said!!

I am receiving individual therapy and have been for some time but it doesn't appear to be working, they seem to be empathising with me a lot but that's it. They don't think I'm irrational like he does. I am still waiting for him to actually take some accountability but he won't whilst he has all these people around him telling him how perfect he is.

What's more, we live in a small village where he grew up and everyone says what a lovely helpful guy he is. He is not lovely to me! A person we know asked how I was doing a few days ago and I.told her how I'm struggling and how he doesn't seem to take any responsibility for what's happened and she said "oh he's just a big teddy bear."

He was not a teddy bear at home. He was cold, distant, neglectful, contemptuous and controlling.

I feel self conscious as everyone seemingly thinks that I must be the problem and yet the professionals seem to be supporting me in these sessions and basically saying he is at fault for what I think is a lack of empathy. One described him as having a "disconnection" between what really happens and what he thinks is happening. Both said he needs therapy. He laughs and reels off lists of people who think he's perfect. People have no idea what he's really like and how he can be, yet the professionals are seeing it!! Yet how can so many people have him wrong?

I feel like I'm going mad.
It's like he's one person to the outside world and a different person towards me. Everyone feels sorry for him and yet I'm the one holding the children and running our family home whilst his family are supporting him in a responsibility-free single life. This trial was only supposed to be a few months. They even pay for him to continue his expensive hobby whilst living there for free which he can now do more of. I feel like I have no chance of us ever reconciling whilst he's surrounded by this big fan club who have absolutely no idea. This is a nightmare.

I'm guessing I should just give up on him? I can't believe it's come to this. I expected us to reconcile.

OP posts:
AnneLovesGilbert · 14/06/2023 11:50

I'm guessing I should just give up on him?

Yes.

gamerchick · 14/06/2023 11:53

He sounds like he's having his cake and eating it. Can dip in and out, get his leg over and go back to the big palm leaf fanning him and fed grapes.

Tell him it's over, start the divorce/contact/CMS and get rid.

Mollyplop999 · 14/06/2023 12:00

This will never work as only one of you is prepared to accept any responsibility at all. You deserve better. I have been exactly where you are now and nearly ended up taking my own life. It doesn't matter what others think, it's about you and your children. Don't let them grow up with a man that treats you like this.

OhComeOnFFS · 14/06/2023 12:17

It's laughable isn't it that you're running around doing everything for the home and family while his family are slagging you off, paying for his hobby, cleaning up after him, cooking for him, etc.

Dump him.

NCMum79 · 14/06/2023 12:23

I'm sorry to say but he's probably the person responsible for pitching his sob story/poor me story to friends and family, turning them against you.

Sunnydaysareuponus · 14/06/2023 12:29

Write down how many years he has been an adult op.
That's how long he has been that way (at least). Estimate how long he will live for.
Is that how many years you want of living with him as he is right now?
Because he won't change.
We had just bought a house and dh commented when the dc had left home we could get a small flat. I felt myself physically shudder at the thought of old age with him...
He was a stone cold cunt.

Divorced him 5 months later...
Take this separation as a reality check and keep him gone op.

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 12:32

@Mollyplop999 I hit rock bottom about 6 weeks ago and had to have an emergency mental health appointment. I have coped well apart from that one period which lasted a few days where I couldn't see a way forward for myself anymore.

I managed to get out of it pretty quickly thank goodness but it definitely shook me up. It was following one of our usual "I feel upset about X" conversations and he replied with his usual "I disagree that you should feel like that." And i came out of the conversation feeling I'd been hit by a truck.

OP posts:
morejumpingfrogs · 14/06/2023 12:32

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/06/2023 11:50

I'm guessing I should just give up on him?

Yes.

Agreed

VintageBlossomHill · 14/06/2023 12:37

My mother would describe a person like that as a Street Angel but a House Devil. Xx

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 12:37

OhComeOnFFS · 14/06/2023 12:17

It's laughable isn't it that you're running around doing everything for the home and family while his family are slagging you off, paying for his hobby, cleaning up after him, cooking for him, etc.

Dump him.

Yes @Mollyplop999! I don't get it!
It seems even people around us aren't getting this and all seem to feel sorry for him. He plays the family man persona to people but he isn't a family man at all! He's one of the most self-serving people I've ever known.

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Bluebells1970 · 14/06/2023 12:46

If something doesn't work, there is a reason why.

Who gives a fuck what other people think about him - let them live with him if he's such a specimen of perfection. This is your life, and he's making you very unhappy. Acknowledge it instead of trying to deny it. It'll make things much simpler.

thecatsmeows · 14/06/2023 12:47

So he's got as far as telling you how you should feel?

That alone should be enough to tell you it should be over, permanently. That an interaction with him should you leave you in such a poor state that you needed to access emergency mental health assistance...that shows he's not someone you should have in your life.

donquixotedelamancha · 14/06/2023 12:49

he replied with his usual "I disagree that you should feel like that."

That is an impressive lack of emotional inteligence. I think someone like that after a lot of counselling and effort is not going to change.

LTB.

thecatsmeows · 14/06/2023 12:51

I'd just like to add that you seem to have fallen into the trap that so many women (I include myself, in the past) fall into...thinking that other people's opinions are more valid than your own.

Take it from me, it's not true. Trust yourself.

toomanyleggings · 14/06/2023 12:53

You don’t need other people to tell you who he is. You know who he is. I would stop telling people about your troubles, break it off completely with him, and if anyone asks just trot out vague stuff like ‘we drifted apart’ and keep the conversation moving. Let his mother deal with him if she thinks he’s so wonderful

Berthatydfil · 14/06/2023 12:54

Make it permanent - see a solicitor and start the divorce proceedings.

Who cares what anyone else thinks - they arent married to him.

WednesdaysMentor · 14/06/2023 12:58

Been there OP and got the t shirt.

My DP and I sort of split in January and he moved to his mums, i thought he would take the time to sort us out, wine and dine me, try his best to sort us out but he didnt. He spent his time sending me spiteful texts and going out getting pissed.

His mother also hated me so encouraged him to stay away. I used to beg him to come round and see me and spend time with me but he wouldnt.

8 Weeks after leaving he moved in with the woman he tried to have an affair with 4 years ago. i was with him for 23 years and got replaced in 8 weeks. On mothers day he sent me a nice message about how we should be together but a week later moved in with her.

I am blocked on everything which is difficult when you have pre teen kids together, he doesnt see the kids or contact them, but loves to tell people i am keeping them from him.

Dump him OP and move on, he wants his cake and eat it and will never admit his mistakes, ever. I tried to tell ex that his EA ruined things but he wouldnt listen and blamed me.

IncomingTraffic · 14/06/2023 13:00

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 12:37

Yes @Mollyplop999! I don't get it!
It seems even people around us aren't getting this and all seem to feel sorry for him. He plays the family man persona to people but he isn't a family man at all! He's one of the most self-serving people I've ever known.

Of course he publicly plays the wonderful family man. The fact that the wider world believes this facade only means that you know he’s intentionally misleading everyone about who he is. They only see the surface, so they believe him.

What stands out to me from your posts is that you seem to find it odd that your counsellor - and your joint counsellor too - don’t think you’re irrational. They don’t buy his facade.

But of course they don’t. The relationship counsellors have seem under the public surface. They’ve all heard you.

The success of you individual counselling isn’t about him in any way. It’s not about you seeing his point of view or accepting his descriptions of you. The fact it’s helping you to challenge them suggests it IS working. And you need more of that!

You aren’t irrational. He’s treating you dreadfully and - completely intentionally - publicly playing the martyred family man with a horrible irrational wife. It’s all bullshit. He wants you - and everyone else - to believe that you are so they don’t notice what an utter shit he actually is.

AliceInTheMoon · 14/06/2023 13:01

LTB

And let's see how long it takes for his mother to twig that she's now got her lovely useless man child back permanently.

My ex in laws all did the same. Don't worry about them. Just start divorce proceedings and go be happy. I promise you, there's a better life waiting for you.

dickheed · 14/06/2023 13:03

However, the trial separation has in some ways, made everything worse

I don't think it has made everything worse, the separation has just given you the chance to see him for who he really is.
He's awful.
He's so entitled and is lapping up all the attention and getting his hobby paid for and doing the whole woe-is-me act, OP is so mean and nasty. He's a pathetic manchild.

Dump him OP. You'd be way better off without him. You do not need him in your life.
So what if he was nice on holiday? I had an ex like this - he was great when we were away somewhere. The rest of the time he was just awful. He was unliveable with and yours sounds similar.

dickheed · 14/06/2023 13:08

It seems even people around us aren't getting this and all seem to feel sorry for him. He plays the family man persona to people but he isn't a family man at all! He's one of the most self-serving people I've ever known

My ex was also like this. So charming and lovely and helpful and friendly to everyone else. Other people going on about what a great man he was blah blah.
And he was truly awful at home. Unkind and often derogatory, not helpful at all, hideous when he'd had too much alcohol.
And he never helped with anything. He worked in a trade and when I asked him to do jobs relating to that in our flat he wouldn't and kept shouting at me. So he was happy to put up with the consequences of those jobs not being completed but when I said I'd had enough and was going to call another tradesperson in the village (as I didn't want to live without hot water any more!!!) he started shouting at me and saying it was too embarrassing for him as he was also in that trade and it's a no go to ask someone else to do it. He then did the jobs... and all so that he could continue to look like such a great man to others.

WoolyMammoth55 · 14/06/2023 13:21

Hi OP, so sorry you are going through this.

Our couple's counsellor asked us both a question in the first session: do you want to be "right", or do you want a loving relationship?

Both of you are wrong sometimes, but if he always wants to be "right" and doesn't care what impact that has on you/ your MH/ your kids, then you HAVE to leave him.

You've given him many chances. In your shoes I'd go to see a solicitor ASAP and just acknowledge that it's over.

Much better for you and your MH. You will most likely feel better instantly.

BUT the 2nd thing to do is to to stop giving any attention to what his family/ village friends/ mum think of you. You can't control that and it won't make you happy to fret about it. Cut them off, grey rock, get back in touch with your friends or make new ones...

If you give his fan club space in your head that will cause you pain. Don't do it.

Wish you all the best.

Yankeescot · 14/06/2023 13:33

OP my ex-husband was the same. Manipulators are very skilled at turning people against you to make themselves look like the poor wee victims. My own Mother didn't believe me about how horrible I was being treated and that he was indeed having an affair. Until I was able to turn the whole thing on its head while I was visiting her. Ran across some exceptionally inappropriate photos from a group event he'd attended the prior weekend. I showed my Mom a few of the least offensive pics right before I called him out on it so she would know that these pics do indeed exist. The moment I hung up with him, I told her that within 1 hour her phone would ring and it would be him. That that hour would give him the time to call the creepy perv that posted the pix and have them removed. He would then tell her something along the lines of 'you must do something to help Yankeescot. She's imagined that she's seen some photos of me and they don't exist. She really needs help, blah blah blah.

45 minutes her phone rang and he'd said almost verbatim of what I told her he'd say. She looked over at me with a dropped jaw before she said to him that she'd seen the pics. Of course the narrative changed to 'it wasn't what it looked like' etc.

She did finally believe me. There are loads of other examples but that's just one. He managed to hoodwink so many people that tried to reconnect with me some time after I'd divorced him and moved back to Edinburgh. Realizing that the shit he tried to spin for years wasn't true. It always comes out in the wash in time.

I only allowed certain people back into my life as I figured some just weren't worth having around if they were going to believe his crap despite being my friends first.

Your DH seems to be a skilled manipulator also. You're the one running around after the kids and house while he shacks up with Mummy and you're the bad guy? Nope. Just nope. You're better off without him. Your life will be so much more peaceful out of this marriage.

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 13:34

Both of you are wrong sometimes, but if he always wants to be "right" and doesn't care what impact that has on you/ your MH/ your kids, then you HAVE to leave him.

This is the problem @WoolyMammoth55 I've said this so many times but he denies his own behaviour. He's always trying to be 'right" and he totally denies it. It's like he has no self awareness.

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FedUpFanAnn · 14/06/2023 13:40

Nail on the head here. No emotional intelligence, no self awareness, and all he wants is a mum, not a partner. There is nothing there for you, @Hayfeverie life would be far better without him. I very much relate to this. Good luck Flowers