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Trial Separation nightmare

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Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 11:48

Husband and I decided on a trial separation with a view to repairing our marriage whilst having time apart to assess and reflect back in January. We were also hoping to reignite our feelings for each other. We have 2 children. We were not spending any time together, separate rooms, I felt that he turned everything into an argument as he didn't want to try to understand my POV about anything at all. I got fed up of being told that I'm "ridiculous" "unreasonable" "irrational" and "mental."

Our feelings have reignited quite a lot in our time apart and we were on our second relationship counsellor since he left hoping to work things out. He has softened in many ways and become more loving (away from the childrenof course). We recently had a family holiday and in the evenings had a very full on intimate and loving relationship whilst the children were in bed. However, the trial separation has in some ways, made everything worse and he has since returned to his parents house following the holiday as we don't want to rush into things and confuse the children should it not work out.

He has been living with his parents temporarily since leaving. His mother has never liked me (very bitter woman in general) and has not been in touch at all since he went to live there. His sisters all felt sorry for him that he'd had to move out and seemingly turned on me, deleting me from social media and the family whatsapp group. Again, zero contact with them since he left.

Under his family's and friends influence, he has received validation that he has been "doing nothing wrong" as he repeats to me so often now. However, we have just left our second relationship counsellor who has described him as "rigid" "has a fixed mindset" "isn't open to change." And she has said he needs independent therapy, exactly what the previous relationship counsellor said!!

I am receiving individual therapy and have been for some time but it doesn't appear to be working, they seem to be empathising with me a lot but that's it. They don't think I'm irrational like he does. I am still waiting for him to actually take some accountability but he won't whilst he has all these people around him telling him how perfect he is.

What's more, we live in a small village where he grew up and everyone says what a lovely helpful guy he is. He is not lovely to me! A person we know asked how I was doing a few days ago and I.told her how I'm struggling and how he doesn't seem to take any responsibility for what's happened and she said "oh he's just a big teddy bear."

He was not a teddy bear at home. He was cold, distant, neglectful, contemptuous and controlling.

I feel self conscious as everyone seemingly thinks that I must be the problem and yet the professionals seem to be supporting me in these sessions and basically saying he is at fault for what I think is a lack of empathy. One described him as having a "disconnection" between what really happens and what he thinks is happening. Both said he needs therapy. He laughs and reels off lists of people who think he's perfect. People have no idea what he's really like and how he can be, yet the professionals are seeing it!! Yet how can so many people have him wrong?

I feel like I'm going mad.
It's like he's one person to the outside world and a different person towards me. Everyone feels sorry for him and yet I'm the one holding the children and running our family home whilst his family are supporting him in a responsibility-free single life. This trial was only supposed to be a few months. They even pay for him to continue his expensive hobby whilst living there for free which he can now do more of. I feel like I have no chance of us ever reconciling whilst he's surrounded by this big fan club who have absolutely no idea. This is a nightmare.

I'm guessing I should just give up on him? I can't believe it's come to this. I expected us to reconcile.

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WoolyMammoth55 · 14/06/2023 13:43

@Hayfeverie yes, that sucks hard. Problem is, his mum's a nightmare so who was ever going to teach him to be a decent human/ partner/ husband?

Some people do transcend awful parents and grow and change - but the desire to change has to be there.

Sounds like your guy has no desire to change and just wants to blame you and run home to his mum who tells him he's perfect...

The sooner you can extract yourself and the kids from this, the better. You've given him a lot of chances. Now it's time to break the cycle and give your kids the chance to see what 'being a good person' looks like.

I really wish you all the best. You know what needs to happen. Call a solicitor today. x

tattygrl · 14/06/2023 14:12

The nerve of someone on the outside telling you "he's just a big teddy bear". The utter nerve! You must have felt shit/enraged/invalidated.

I'm firmly in the "leave" camp. Sounds like he needs a smack in the face with some reality, not to mention how much better you deserve.

HostaLuago · 14/06/2023 19:09

Who suggested the trial separation ?

Let me guess he engineered it to appear you made the decision or both of you.

Frogger8395 · 14/06/2023 19:15

How long was he nice for?
How long has he been a cunt for?

perfectcolourfound · 14/06/2023 19:24

Please leave him. Happiness awaits.

GCalltheway · 14/06/2023 19:46

Leave the village. It sounds claustrophobic. You are unlikely to find happiness there op.

samqueens · 14/06/2023 22:21

I’m so sorry you’re going through this and can really relate to your situation… You’re being really strong to get this far, not living with his behavior every day is an amazing start.

I really strongly recommend you (discreetly) read the Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That?

The way you describe his behavior (and the counsellors’ input, especially concerning rigidity and lack of empathy) raise many 🚩🚩s. The book (you can download on kindle app) is amazingly insightful and compassionate. It stopped me feeling I was losing my mind…

Unfortunately him having individual therapy is unlikely to have the slightest impact on his behavior towards you, so please don’t waste your valuable energy ‘what-if’ing that scenario.

good luck 💐

Hayfeverie · 14/06/2023 22:34

It was me @HostaLuago I was so miserable and I knew I'd never be able to get him to leave permanently so we agreed the temporary period in the hope of things improving between us with the support of a counsellor. Even the last counsellor has advised no more relationship counselling because of the way he was with me in the last session.

@Frogger8395 he flits between being nice and being an arsehole depending on whether or not things are working to his advantage.

That is true about individual therapy @samqueens I was thinking the same today. He's unlikely to tell them what his issues are in the first place so nothing would get resolved anyway.

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HostaLuago · 15/06/2023 11:43

I think it's time to drop the rope, he seems to be using you to heighten his own reputation, pulling you down making it hard and confusing to live with him whilst telling others you are the problem.

He's breaking you with this popularity contest in the villiage.

You have lost yourself and I think the only way to regain some strength is to sever contact with his family and the villiage fan club of his. This actually seems quite chilling to read, I don't believe your h has your best interests at heart, he's not supportive at all.
Have a read up on narcisism, he may have some qualities and it may help you understand how they will get others to fight their battles.

Also, could he possibly be having an affair ?

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 15/06/2023 11:54

A man who calls you names, is ‘cold, distant, neglectful, contemptuous and controlling’ is not fit to be a husband or father. You can fix one of those things by ditching him. Stop focussing on other peoples words, opinions and focus on your future happiness.

Dery · 15/06/2023 13:21

“I think it's time to drop the rope, he seems to be using you to heighten his own reputation, pulling you down making it hard and confusing to live with him whilst telling others you are the problem.

He's breaking you with this popularity contest in the villiage.

You have lost yourself and I think the only way to regain some strength is to sever contact with his family and the villiage fan club of his. This actually seems quite chilling to read, I don't believe your h has your best interests at heart, he's not supportive at all.
Have a read up on narcisism, he may have some qualities and it may help you understand how they will get others to fight their battles.”

This. He’s not a nice man. You’ll be happier without him and when you stop trying to contort yourself to deal with his narratives. It may make sense to move out of the village also, if that’s feasible.

Shahira78 · 15/06/2023 14:01

He was cold, distant, neglectful, contemptuous and controlling.

You think he will change? I think you know the answer.

HostaLuago · 15/06/2023 14:44

It was me @HostaLuago I was so miserable
and I knew I'd never be able to get him to leave permanently so we
agreed the temporary period in the hope of things improving between us
with the support of a counsellor. Even the last counsellor has advised
no more relationship counselling because of the way he was with me in
the last session.

When you returned from holiday did you want him to return home ?

Would you like him to leave permanently or do you still love him and wish to repair the relationship ?

Hayfeverie · 15/06/2023 16:22

@HostaLuago

  1. When you returned from holiday did you want him to return home ?

  2. Would you like him to leave permanently or do you still love him and wish to repair the relationship ?

  3. I wanted him to return home with help from the counsellor around the way he deals with emotions. But I can see that he's still being very stubborn and pig headed, thinking he's right about everything all the time. He doesn't want help with the way he deals with emotions but when we're getting a long it can often feel like he'd do absolutely anything for me. But the minute I criticise him even minorly, he disengages from me.

  4. i want to repair the relationship but can not do that on my own.

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Hayfeverie · 15/06/2023 16:23

@HostaLuago

  1. When you returned from holiday did you want him to return home ?

  2. Would you like him to leave permanently or do you still love him and wish to repair the relationship ?

  3. I wanted him to return home with help from the counsellor around the way he deals with emotions. But I can see that he's still being very stubborn and pig headed, thinking he's right about everything all the time. He doesn't want help with the way he deals with emotions but when we're getting a long it can often feel like he'd do absolutely anything for me. But the minute I criticise him even minorly, he disengages from me.

  4. i want to repair the relationship but can not do that on my own.

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rolvus · 15/06/2023 19:16

toomanyleggings · 14/06/2023 12:53

You don’t need other people to tell you who he is. You know who he is. I would stop telling people about your troubles, break it off completely with him, and if anyone asks just trot out vague stuff like ‘we drifted apart’ and keep the conversation moving. Let his mother deal with him if she thinks he’s so wonderful

When we had marriage counselling I kept saying 'I'm sure most women would judge this to be unacceptable' and 'I think all women would think the same' ... I was so conditioned by him telling me I was 'mental' 'irrational' 'mad' that I'd reverted to getting my point across by saying things from the point of view of others.

The counsellor was very firm in saying in front of my husband that I must stop doing that, that my feelings and thoughts are completely valid. She caught me at it numerous times, and I felt that she just knew. She knew what I had been through.

I completely understand what you are going through. My husband is good looking and some of the mums bat their eyelashes at him, find him nice and charming, have made a few comments and flirt a little. It just makes me laugh so much now. They have NO idea. Good luck to any of them that would like take him off my hands. People really don't know, but YOU do.

You are not mad, irrational and mental, but yes he, the situation and others will make you feel as if you are.

I will get out as soon as a I financially can.

SunflowerTed · 15/06/2023 20:48

AnneLovesGilbert · 14/06/2023 11:50

I'm guessing I should just give up on him?

Yes.

Absolutely yes

morethanspice · 16/06/2023 07:33

From bitter experience I can confirm you cannot change him and he will eventually destroy you. Very definitely split permanently asap

SauceForTheGoose · 16/06/2023 08:01

Just focus on yourself Op. He doesn't want to change or make it work, he wants you to give up and accept him as he is.

Eleganz · 16/06/2023 08:12

Sorry OP, I think you are finding out that, in most cases, trial separations do not fix marriages. Moving apart from each other may appear to rekindle some romantic feelings but it doesn't fix problems.

Your problem was how your husband treats you in private, him moving out and being told by those that care about him that you are not a good person for making him do so is not going to make him see that.

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