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How do you prove emotional abuse?

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DMDC · 06/06/2023 16:11

My partner of 20 years has been abusive for a long time but I’m only just realising what’s been happening. Especially since we had our three children, his behaviour has become worse. I know it sounds ridiculous but I was young when we met and somehow I’ve come to see this behaviour as normal.

I’ve been reading up a lot about emotional abuse and coercive control and it’s like a lightbulb moment where I’ve suddenly realised what’s been going on all this time. Maybe it isn’t me? Maybe it’s been him all along.

Here are some examples:

• he can be verbally abusive; in the past he’s called me a fucking retard, a bitch and most recently told me to fuck off in front of two of our children
• he puts me down, will call me boring for example (mainly because I don’t drink alcohol anymore). He also makes fun of my job because it isn’t particularly well-paid. He makes a lot of sarcastic and hurtful comments, and will mock the things I say/do quite frequently.
• he will ignore me for days or weeks on end if I’ve either done something wrong or if something else has happened in his life (eg at work). If I ask him what is wrong, he will blame me, or he will deny that he’s ignoring me and will say it’s me ignoring him. He seems to blame me for everything that he sees as wrong in his life. He is generally very unhappy and bitter, although he actually has a good life as far as I can see.
• he abuses alcohol and has for many years. I don’t know whether he’s an alcoholic because he can and does sometimes stop drinking, but he always starts again. He doesn’t usually drink during the week but will start drinking at 1pm on a Saturday afternoon and then drink all afternoon and evening (at home). His behaviour becomes progressively worse the more he drinks, sometimes he can be quite nice/loud/fun but often he is rude and mean. He’ll also do things like deliberately playing music loudly when the children are meant to be going to sleep. I have begged him not to drink or to at least wait until later in the day but he doesn’t listen.
• he isn’t physically abusive in that he doesn’t lay his hands on me, but when he’s in one of his moods he will slam doors, storm around the house and act in what I believe is an intimidating way on purpose, to make me anxious - for example standing at a doorway and just staring at me, or at one of the children.
• I never know what mood he will be in - he will often come home and not even say hello for example. I feel I’m always walking on eggshells trying to anticipate what he wants and to avoid conflicts. I feel anxious a lot of the time when he’s home or when he’s due back. I feel relieved when he’s out.
• he can be horrible to our 3 children, ignoring them and withdrawing any emotional support if they have done or said something that he doesn’t like. This is happening more as they get older (two are teenagers). They have also witnessed how he treats and speaks to me.
• he has ruined many special occasions and birthdays over the years.

I’m sure there is more but this is just a list I’ve made over the last few days while thinking about everything.

I want to leave him but we are very financially intertwined - not married but joint mortgage on family home and also own 2 rental properties jointly, with mortgages (deposits paid for with my inheritance though).

I know I need to see a solicitor to find out how to proceed. But is there any way I can make him leave the family home due to his behaviour? How could I possibly prove any of this? Each thing on its own sounds quite trivial and I don’t know how I’d explain what he’s like to anyone else. I feel so trapped.

I don’t have anywhere to go and also don’t want to uproot my kids from their home. Any advice appreciated!

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Izbizbiz · 06/06/2023 16:41

YOU can’t prove anything that happened between 2 people. Emotional abuse included.

i think perhaps you are under the impression that if you claim emotional abuse or a risk to you, he will be forced to stay away from you. The reality is, you will be responsible for staying away from. If you press charges then there may be temporary orders for him to stay away from you but permanent orders (even if granted) take years. I’m 3 years down the line and nothing is enforceable at the moment.

if you each have financial claim to a property, you each have a right to access it.

mid you feel unsafe, you should leave. It’s not fair and should be different but that’s not your reality. In an ideal world, things wouldn’t be this way at all but they are.

stay safe.

Izbizbiz · 06/06/2023 16:45

I meant to add to my first paragraph- it’s a courts position to prove abuse has taken place. You can only present your truth.

police will take a number of statements from you and any witnesses you have, ask for any correspondence like texts or even your phone. Put together a case and arrest him if they deem he has broken the law. They may interview your children at school if they feel he is a danger to them. Social work will be involved.

he will be detained to obtain a statement then taken to court to be given conditions of bail then released pending trial.

kenstaylor · 06/06/2023 16:45

I had this problem, I was having panic attacks whenever my oh was around me and he’d mentally play games with me all the time and try intimidate me. He wanted control so I wouldn’t leave and would feel dependant on him. I stood up to him and let him know I see through his games, he stopped doing it. If he’s bigger than you tho don’t try and stand up to him cause men like this will always want power. I’d say leave and be safe x

DMDC · 06/06/2023 17:23

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I know and I feel so guilty for having brought them up in this environment. I’m terrified my daughter will accept the same and my sons might think this is ok. He wasn’t always like this - or at least not to this extent. I feel stupid for getting myself into this situation.

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DMDC · 06/06/2023 17:30

Izbizbiz · 06/06/2023 16:41

YOU can’t prove anything that happened between 2 people. Emotional abuse included.

i think perhaps you are under the impression that if you claim emotional abuse or a risk to you, he will be forced to stay away from you. The reality is, you will be responsible for staying away from. If you press charges then there may be temporary orders for him to stay away from you but permanent orders (even if granted) take years. I’m 3 years down the line and nothing is enforceable at the moment.

if you each have financial claim to a property, you each have a right to access it.

mid you feel unsafe, you should leave. It’s not fair and should be different but that’s not your reality. In an ideal world, things wouldn’t be this way at all but they are.

stay safe.

Thank you. I didn’t honestly think there would be any way to force him out of the house, unless he was beating me up or something. I keep reading about how coercive control is illegal though and wondered how it is ever proven. Not sure whether what he’s doing would be considered CC though.

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Annoyedwithmyself · 06/06/2023 17:57

It couldn't hurt to start a diary of events, do it retrospectively if you can, even if only so you have a record you can refer back to should you ever need assurance you're doing the right thing

bilbodog · 06/06/2023 17:58

Speak to womens aid - they will be able to give you some advice on how to handle this.

billy1966 · 06/06/2023 18:04

Stress to Women's aid that he emotionally abuses the children and they see him emotionally abuse you.

Write it all down how he treats the children and what they witness.

DMDC · 06/06/2023 18:13

Annoyedwithmyself · 06/06/2023 17:57

It couldn't hurt to start a diary of events, do it retrospectively if you can, even if only so you have a record you can refer back to should you ever need assurance you're doing the right thing

I have recently started doing this on a journalling app; only in the last couple of months though. But already it’s been eye-opening, how his moods and abusive behaviour go in a cycle with moments of calm in between.

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 06/06/2023 19:31

start with solicitor basically
not married so yay ! It’s all the property and assets

i suspect he won’t react well to this so 10000 % get clear on legalities and then write him a letter? Then ask for a sit down

Zarataralara · 06/06/2023 19:47

Annoyedwithmyself · 06/06/2023 17:57

It couldn't hurt to start a diary of events, do it retrospectively if you can, even if only so you have a record you can refer back to should you ever need assurance you're doing the right thing

This is exactly what I was going to say.
Write down everything.
Record him on your phone if you can.

You don’t have to prove anything, you can leave him whenever you want for whatever reason you want. A good solicitor will sort out finances with you.
Gather up all paperwork, especially your inheritance used as deposits.

I always think once you’re walking on eggshells round a partner the end is nigh. Wish I’d realised this when it happened 6 months into my marriage!

DMDC · 06/06/2023 20:42

Zarataralara · 06/06/2023 19:47

This is exactly what I was going to say.
Write down everything.
Record him on your phone if you can.

You don’t have to prove anything, you can leave him whenever you want for whatever reason you want. A good solicitor will sort out finances with you.
Gather up all paperwork, especially your inheritance used as deposits.

I always think once you’re walking on eggshells round a partner the end is nigh. Wish I’d realised this when it happened 6 months into my marriage!

You’re so right about the walking on eggshells, trying to smooth everything over and make sure nothing will annoy/anger him. It’s exhausting always feeling on high alert.

I’m definitely going to keep writing it all down, and will try to start gathering together financial stuff.

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DMDC · 06/06/2023 20:49

Thanks everyone for your replies, I really appreciate all your advice.

The issue really is how to leave him. I wish I could just walk out, but with 3 kids to think about I’m not sure how I can. The thought of telling him I want to separate and then going through selling the house etc, with him still living here, is terrifying to be honest. He’d make life unbearable and I’m almost certain he won’t leave voluntarily.

I’ve read on other threads about people just packing their partner’s bags and kicking them out when they’ve behaved badly, but obviously this is his house too so I can’t do that. He’d just laugh at me if I tried.

I keep imagining life free of him, just me and the kids, being able to breathe again and feel relaxed in our own home. I just can’t see how to get there.

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 06/06/2023 20:59

DMDC

this is why womens aid can help

its totally crazy you are so scared and yet
totally normal 😞

noone has to stay
but you need some help x

Zarataralara · 06/06/2023 21:17

I didn’t dare tell my ex-h I was leaving, he’d said he was going to kill me and I was going to risk it.
Again, you don’t have to tell him, you could go and everything can go through solicitors. There’s always a way to leave, it’s just a case of planning all you can and finding a way that works for you and the dc.

Zarataralara · 06/06/2023 21:18

*wasn’t going to risk it .

TheOrigRights · 06/06/2023 22:18

Record him on your phone if you can.

Be careful with this. It's not illegal to do so w/o their consent but whether it can be used as evidence is more complex.

TheOrigRights · 06/06/2023 22:25

My ex was emotionally abusive. I tried to get a non-molestation order. I was advised by my solicitor that I could get it ex parte. It was refused and a court date set where my then husband could attend court. There was NO WAY I was going through that. The power he would have over me if the judge had not granted it would have crushed me. The whole process cost me thousands of pounds, stress that I am still not over and the acceptance that the system doesn't protect you unless you've got bruises.

I sometimes wished he would just hit me, then the police would have something to act on.

billy1966 · 06/06/2023 23:01

What about encouraging the children to mention it to their teachers that daddy is abusing them and mum?

If they did, it would have to be acted upon as a priority.

Endoftheroad12345 · 07/06/2023 04:16

Hi @DMDC

Your partner sounds very similar to mine - 20 years together, young when we met, emotionally abusive, financially enmeshed. I have 2 young ish DC (4 & 8).

I told him we needed time apart in November 2022 and while I consider our marriage over I still have a way to go before it is legally ended (I am outside the UK where you need 2 years separated before you can file for divorce 🙄).

He would never have left the family home willingly. I eventually managed to get us living separately by renting a property for us to nest in (rotating in and out and kids staying in the family home). Is it possible that you could use one of your rental properties in this way?

Do no underestimate how badly he will behave. Mine lost the plot, screamed ar me in front of our young children, accused me of having an affair, drained our savings and joint account and put them all onto his own name (I got him to transfer it back by pointing out it was theft and a Court would view it dimly - ironically he’s a lawyer, as am I - but I was really between a rock and a hard place if he didn’t as either signatory to a joint account can appropriate all the funds.)

I wouldn’t rely on a criminal complaint of coercive control to protect you. Recordings of his behaviour could be helpful- I have pictures and video of ex H in a rage, aftermath of him smashing up the kitchen etc, pics of me with a black eye - I haven’t done anything with them but he knows I have them.

Lots of luck to you - I am 6 months free and it has been SO stressful (and will continue to be) but so worth it. I couldn’t keep living like that. The kids seem so much calmer and happier too.

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I agree she SHOULD be their protector, but after years of him abusing the family, she clearly ISN'T and she is terrified of him.

When children speak to a teacher about difficulties at home, families can be helped.

This is not unusual in a school setting.

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