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How do you prove emotional abuse?

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DMDC · 06/06/2023 16:11

My partner of 20 years has been abusive for a long time but I’m only just realising what’s been happening. Especially since we had our three children, his behaviour has become worse. I know it sounds ridiculous but I was young when we met and somehow I’ve come to see this behaviour as normal.

I’ve been reading up a lot about emotional abuse and coercive control and it’s like a lightbulb moment where I’ve suddenly realised what’s been going on all this time. Maybe it isn’t me? Maybe it’s been him all along.

Here are some examples:

• he can be verbally abusive; in the past he’s called me a fucking retard, a bitch and most recently told me to fuck off in front of two of our children
• he puts me down, will call me boring for example (mainly because I don’t drink alcohol anymore). He also makes fun of my job because it isn’t particularly well-paid. He makes a lot of sarcastic and hurtful comments, and will mock the things I say/do quite frequently.
• he will ignore me for days or weeks on end if I’ve either done something wrong or if something else has happened in his life (eg at work). If I ask him what is wrong, he will blame me, or he will deny that he’s ignoring me and will say it’s me ignoring him. He seems to blame me for everything that he sees as wrong in his life. He is generally very unhappy and bitter, although he actually has a good life as far as I can see.
• he abuses alcohol and has for many years. I don’t know whether he’s an alcoholic because he can and does sometimes stop drinking, but he always starts again. He doesn’t usually drink during the week but will start drinking at 1pm on a Saturday afternoon and then drink all afternoon and evening (at home). His behaviour becomes progressively worse the more he drinks, sometimes he can be quite nice/loud/fun but often he is rude and mean. He’ll also do things like deliberately playing music loudly when the children are meant to be going to sleep. I have begged him not to drink or to at least wait until later in the day but he doesn’t listen.
• he isn’t physically abusive in that he doesn’t lay his hands on me, but when he’s in one of his moods he will slam doors, storm around the house and act in what I believe is an intimidating way on purpose, to make me anxious - for example standing at a doorway and just staring at me, or at one of the children.
• I never know what mood he will be in - he will often come home and not even say hello for example. I feel I’m always walking on eggshells trying to anticipate what he wants and to avoid conflicts. I feel anxious a lot of the time when he’s home or when he’s due back. I feel relieved when he’s out.
• he can be horrible to our 3 children, ignoring them and withdrawing any emotional support if they have done or said something that he doesn’t like. This is happening more as they get older (two are teenagers). They have also witnessed how he treats and speaks to me.
• he has ruined many special occasions and birthdays over the years.

I’m sure there is more but this is just a list I’ve made over the last few days while thinking about everything.

I want to leave him but we are very financially intertwined - not married but joint mortgage on family home and also own 2 rental properties jointly, with mortgages (deposits paid for with my inheritance though).

I know I need to see a solicitor to find out how to proceed. But is there any way I can make him leave the family home due to his behaviour? How could I possibly prove any of this? Each thing on its own sounds quite trivial and I don’t know how I’d explain what he’s like to anyone else. I feel so trapped.

I don’t have anywhere to go and also don’t want to uproot my kids from their home. Any advice appreciated!

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DMDC · 07/06/2023 09:48

billy1966 · 07/06/2023 07:50

I agree she SHOULD be their protector, but after years of him abusing the family, she clearly ISN'T and she is terrified of him.

When children speak to a teacher about difficulties at home, families can be helped.

This is not unusual in a school setting.

I know you’re right that I’m not fully protecting my children. I do try, but I’m aware growing up in a household like this is likely to be damaging them.

I actually work in education and deal with safeguarding issues quite regularly. I think this is part of the reason I’m scared to take action - I’ve told NO ONE about any of this and the thought of my colleagues and the children’s schools knowing makes me feel so ashamed.

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cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 10:01

As someone who Walked away from a similar situation just over a month ago here is my advise:
First of all speak with women's aid - they are brilliant and incredibly helpful and supportive
Get a good solicitor
Don't be afraid of what happens when you walk. I didn't plan it but just went. The support I have had is unbelievable and he had lead me to believe I had non of it. The hardest part is stepping away.
Also go to the police - I found them very supportive and cohesive control is a criminal offence.
Let me know if you want any advice x

TheOrigRights · 07/06/2023 10:01

OP, you already know it's not ideal for your children.
People using that line might be telling the truth, but IMO just makes you feel worse about not being in a position to do anything right away.

It's not just as simple as moving out.

cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 10:02

Don't worry about what people will think. Safeguarding is a massive part of my job. No one knew what was going on. No one at all and the support has been overwhelming.

DMDC · 07/06/2023 10:03

I just wanted to write about the reason for the current “stonewalling/intimidation” phase we are in at the moment.

He’s been ignoring me and storming around the house in an angry mood since Friday. Drank heavily on Saturday afternoon and evening, didn’t get up until 1pm Sunday - leaving me with all childcare, household tasks etc. Barely spoke to me or the kids all weekend.

The reason (I think) for this current mood is that I prioritised taking my DS to one of his activities over something ‘D’P wanted to do. I tried to come up with a way we could do both things but that wasn’t good enough clearly.

Today I have taken our eldest son to sit a GCSE exam. I have been home educating him for the last year due to severe bullying at school and resulting anxiety. I do the HE around work and it isn’t easy at all but we’re trying to make it work. DS is sitting his exams at a centre an hour’s drive from home so an early start was necessary this morning.

DP knew about the exam as I asked him some time ago to arrange to go into work later this morning so he could take our youngest child to school. Last night he came in from work and went straight up to the bedroom (I am not sleeping in there at the moment) and didn’t come out all evening. When I went to bed I realised he was drinking. He then put music on at loud enough volume to prevent me and DS (who he knew had an exam in the morning) from getting to sleep. This was past 10pm and we had to be up at 6 to get ready to go to the exam centre. This is the kind of thing he does. I then had to go and ask him to turn it down, and it feels as though he’s drawing me into a conflict. I tried to be calm and just pointed out the exam in the morning and left the room. He did then turn it off.

I’m waiting now while my son does his exam and am looking up details of local solicitors. I’m just so worried about how he’ll behave once he knows I’m planning a separation. He’ll make it as difficult as possible I’m sure.

Thanks everyone for all the advice and comments.

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TheOrigRights · 07/06/2023 10:03

Also, please tell someone in RL. You will need support (practical and emotional) and having someone you trust is really important.

DMDC · 07/06/2023 10:15

cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 10:01

As someone who Walked away from a similar situation just over a month ago here is my advise:
First of all speak with women's aid - they are brilliant and incredibly helpful and supportive
Get a good solicitor
Don't be afraid of what happens when you walk. I didn't plan it but just went. The support I have had is unbelievable and he had lead me to believe I had non of it. The hardest part is stepping away.
Also go to the police - I found them very supportive and cohesive control is a criminal offence.
Let me know if you want any advice x

Thank you for this and well done to you for getting yourself out. That must feel so good. I would love any advice you can give.

Do you have children? How easy was it for you to find somewhere to go? The frustrating thing is he has a parent living close by who has plenty of space and he could go there. But he won’t. I lost my wonderful mum a few years ago and desperately wish she was still here because she would help me.

I think you are probably right that my colleagues and friends would be supportive if they knew. Taking the step and telling them terrifies me though.

How did you contact the police and what did you tell them? As I’ve said, I don’t really have any evidence of any of this - in his case it’s pretty much all words/actions - I don’t have texts or emails from him really.

I did actually contact women’s aid a few weeks ago during the last really bad time before this one. They put me in touch with DVAssist and said they could help me with applying for a non-molestation order or occupation order. But from what I’ve read on here the likelihood of getting either of those seems slim? Perhaps that’s something the solicitor can advise on.

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cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 10:23

I have two children both under 10.
We went to family and have got our own place within - womens aid may be able to offer you a place in a refuge?
I reported via 101, they asked me to come in and give an interview and then left that to go out and arrest. He is on bail with a non mol applied for (currently protected by bail conditions). Didn't apply for occupation order as wanted as far away from him as possible but womens aid/ Solictor seemed to think there would be no issues in getting it.
It all seems very scary but just take one step at a time. I worked on hour by hour for the first few weeks x

DMDC · 07/06/2023 10:26

cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 10:23

I have two children both under 10.
We went to family and have got our own place within - womens aid may be able to offer you a place in a refuge?
I reported via 101, they asked me to come in and give an interview and then left that to go out and arrest. He is on bail with a non mol applied for (currently protected by bail conditions). Didn't apply for occupation order as wanted as far away from him as possible but womens aid/ Solictor seemed to think there would be no issues in getting it.
It all seems very scary but just take one step at a time. I worked on hour by hour for the first few weeks x

It sounds like you have been incredibly brave. How are your children coping with the move?

Sorry to ask and don’t answer if you don’t want to, but what did you report to the police - was there physical abuse going on as well as emotional/verbal? I’m just trying to be realistic about what to expect.

I have just emailed a solicitor specialising in family law.

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cantthinkattheminute · 07/06/2023 11:11

Thank you. The first two weeks were tough for the children but they have adapted really well and asked me yesterday if we they were getting a new daddy for the new house!
It was all verbal/ emotional and financial. I has WhatsApp's and text messages. Reread what you have it may surprise you. I didn't think I would be taken seriously and was taken back at how shock the constable seemed to be.

Mutt5Nutt5 · 07/06/2023 11:39

OP, I think I understand your thought process with the "having to prove it". I am in the process of leaving my husband and I constantly question myself over whether he was/is abusive. On stronger, clearer days, I KNOW he is abusive. But on other days I doubt myself and tell myself I have exaggerated it, question my friends, and feel that I need to talk to someone impartial who will confirm it for me.

Like a PP said, you can only present YOUR truth and your version of events. But there is no doubt that what you have described is abusive, unpleasant and you and your children, I am sure, would be happier without him.

It would help to keep a diary. You can go back over it at times when you're unsure. I would also recommend the book "Why does he do that" by Lundy Bancroft.

Good luck x

DMDC · 07/06/2023 17:39

Mutt5Nutt5 · 07/06/2023 11:39

OP, I think I understand your thought process with the "having to prove it". I am in the process of leaving my husband and I constantly question myself over whether he was/is abusive. On stronger, clearer days, I KNOW he is abusive. But on other days I doubt myself and tell myself I have exaggerated it, question my friends, and feel that I need to talk to someone impartial who will confirm it for me.

Like a PP said, you can only present YOUR truth and your version of events. But there is no doubt that what you have described is abusive, unpleasant and you and your children, I am sure, would be happier without him.

It would help to keep a diary. You can go back over it at times when you're unsure. I would also recommend the book "Why does he do that" by Lundy Bancroft.

Good luck x

Thank you, you are right, I do sometimes question whether his behaviour is bad enough to be described as abusive. Or at least I did for a long time. I used to think if I could be more attentive, or he could get a new job, or he could stop drinking, then he’d be happy and wouldn’t behave this way. Sadly I’ve now realised that none of those things will change him.

The other aspect to saying I want to be able to prove it is that in an ideal world he’d be made to leave the family home because he’s so bloody awful and makes all our lives hell. It would be amazing to have some breathing space from him and then plan the next steps in terms of finances etc. So I was hoping something like a non-molestation order might be possible. But I’m still not clear whether his behaviour is “bad enough” to justify this.

I bought the Lundy Bancroft book a few months ago during another awful period where he ruined my birthday. It’s a real eye-opener.

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CleanCar · 07/06/2023 22:26

Hey op, im in a very similar situation. My husband does the same things. Id never seen it as abusive before until i posted on here. Ive been with him a long time too from when we were young. Also a drinker. Im trying to break free. I have a solicitors appt tomorrow to go over things. Best of luck

Endoftheroad12345 · 08/06/2023 00:14

what @Mutt5Nutt5 said @DMDC

I question myself whether ex was abusive “enough” to leave the marriage even though he’s been physically abusive on multiple occasions during our 20 year relationship and once gave me a black eye. Even then it took me another 7 years to leave.

I am a senior lawyer, great job, very much a feminist and self confident. Which made it all the more discombobulating for my self esteem when it happened and I stayed … I felt like my whole identity as a strong woman was completely false.

I said to my therapist that to my shame I could have stayed despite the violence - it was the moods, the contempt, the walking on eggshells that killed our marriage (and any remaining love for him). I think back now and think it was never a truly loving relationship- he was always so highly critical of me. Which is confronting when you consider your life between 20-40 was bound up with that person in such a shitty relationship. But also it makes me feel hopeful - there is potentially great love still to come in my life (and even if there isn’t, I am happier alone with my 2 fab children).

I am 6 months in now and I think it will be at least another 9-12 months before I am completely free (in terms of splitting assets etc - he has made it all as hard as possible) but I am already so much happier and the kids are too. Life at home is calmer and I realised I managed so much by myself anyway (because he was such a selfish pig) that being a single mother is not vastly different to being married.

Endoftheroad12345 · 08/06/2023 00:15

I bought Lundy Bancroft too … I found him reading it ostentatiously (after he went rifling through all of my drawers) and now it’s gone missing. Funny that.

DMDC · 08/06/2023 11:04

CleanCar · 07/06/2023 22:26

Hey op, im in a very similar situation. My husband does the same things. Id never seen it as abusive before until i posted on here. Ive been with him a long time too from when we were young. Also a drinker. Im trying to break free. I have a solicitors appt tomorrow to go over things. Best of luck

Hi @CleanCar sorry to hear you are going through a similar situation. I found your thread last night and read through. So many similarities with my partner.

I hope your solicitor appointment goes well - would love to hear how it went and what advice you got.

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Whataretalkingabout · 08/06/2023 13:40

You can read the Lundy Bancroft book, Why Does He Do That? online for free in pdf format. I'm sorry I don't have the link.

Good luck to all of you .

Han490 · 08/06/2023 23:30

Wishing you all the best OP, and I'm sorry you're going through this. His behaviour the night before your child's exam sounds terrible.

If you tell someone in real life, you may be surprised at how they've noticed things. So it may not be too surprising to them. That's what I found when I told a family member.

DMDC · 10/06/2023 12:33

Sorry for not coming back for a couple of days - my DS1 had more exams yesterday and I haven’t had a lot of time.

He's ramping things up today - Saturdays are always the worst. This morning he came down ready to leave for an event we usually do on a Sat morning. Saw that I wasn’t ready for it and asked why I wasn’t going. I told him I needed to go into work this morning to catch up on things I missed last week as I’d had to take time off to take DS to exams - 100% true and I had told my boss I would do this. Bear in mind also that he’s not spoken to me for over a week.

So then he got angry and started storming around the house (in front if DS1 and 2) and shouting that it was an excuse and I was just avoiding doing anything with him. Now in truth, I AM partly trying to avoid him but that’s because he’s been vile to me for the last week and I have no interest in spending time with him. He then left and slammed the front door as hard as possible.

I got ready and went to work, and a bit later DS1 texted to say his dad was packing up all his clothes and he thinks he’s leaving. I’ve now come home and there are 3 black bags of clothes by the front door, he’s in the bedroom with music blaring and has got a massive box of beer. So given that he’s probably already started drinking I can’t imagine he’s actually going to leave today. I don’t think he’ll actually leave at all - I think this is all him playing the victim and acting out because in his mind, I no longer want to spend time with him.

I bloody wish he WOULD leave - that would be amazing. But that’s exactly why he won’t.

I have to take DS2 to an activity soon for the rest of the afternoon and DD is going to come too I think. So we’ll be out of the house for a while but I’m already dreading coming back. I’m almost tempted to stay in a hotel for the night.

He’s still storming around the house right now, slamming doors. I hate this and him so much.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to get this down somewhere.

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perfectcolourfound · 10/06/2023 12:46

Hi @DMDC Your posts have brought back some old memories of mine. I feel for you. It's so hard when you're dealing with a drink-fuelled, self-pitying, attention-seeking, aggressive, shouty, angry man in your home.

You deserve better and so do your children.

Please talk to some people IRL and seek as much help as you can. This is no way for your children to live, and no way for you to live.

A relationship is meant to make your life better, happier. He's actively making you miserable.

You can do it. Imagine that calm, loving, happy home with yout DCs and you. Power through this tough time and a much better life is awaiting.

DMDC · 10/06/2023 14:31

He’s now messaging me threatening to come to DS2’s tournament. He’s been drinking. So now I’m on edge thinking he’s going to turn up any minute.

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CleanCar · 10/06/2023 14:48

Hi OP, if he turns up and makes a scene ring the police. Do you feel safe to go home later?

DMDC · 10/06/2023 16:31

He came to the tournament on his bike. Stank of beer. Prowled around a bit, didn’t really watch DS2 playing at all, had a go at me about my various failings. And then left. I do feel a bit scared to go home, just because he’s in the kind of mood where he doesn’t care what he does or says. He might pass out asleep fairly early if I’m lucky.

I could take the DCs out for tea. I could ask his mum if I can stay at hers if I’m desperate - she knows what he can be like.

Meant to say I heard back from the solicitor I contacted. It’s £282 for an hour with her. I wasn’t expecting it to be that much and I’m worried about whether I can afford it.

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NotNowGertrude · 10/06/2023 20:04

Please get away from this awful man

Isabellivi · 23/05/2025 23:44

your kids are older now. I don’t know what the point of proving emotional abuse. Your kids will choose to live with you more than likely if you leave, and you don’t have to prove anything to leave and get your own peaceful home back.

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