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Age gaps and their eventual consequences

64 replies

Harrison46 · 31/05/2023 22:57

I'm not looking for advice or guidance. I am mainly just venting because I feel as low as I have probably ever felt, it helps a little. I believe this forum is usually followed by more women than men so there might be a little more understanding of the people involved.

I fell in love and married a women 22 years younger than me. I was 49 and she was 28. We were business associates and it just developed into a full blown romantic relationship. We had a child in 2011 and finally got married in 2017 having lived together for 17 years.

Before I describe the issue, I need to acknowledge that none of this is her fault. She tried for many years to live with my personal issues. I have lived with PTSD from a young age as the result of past experiences in the military. Before I met her I had received a minor level of treatment through a government program, but it ground me down and I abandoned it. That's pertinent because it has resulted in my inability to get close and feel intimate (not sexual) with anyone. I have no succinct explanation for it and I didn't realise that I was being affected in this way. I have always loved her, but have not sought intimacy with her and even pushed her away in she tried. This went on for at least 15 years. I developed ED and she tried to get me to seek treatment for it, but I only ever superficially pursued any treatment. But even before the ED I had a very low libido and avoided sex. I felt the need for sex, but just could not get close enough to actually do it. As result, we have not actually had sex for over five years.

I think anyone reading this will know where this is going. I am no longer the handsome hunk that she married and she is still very attractive. We have not slept in the same bed for five years. Just recently she has asked me to give her my okay for her to have the occasional tryst outside the marriage to get the physical love she needs. I know will be called selfish, but my heart dropped right out of my chest, I felt destroyed. My immediate question was have you already done it, which she adamantly denies and I have no proof to the contrary, but plenty of circumstantial indications. I have tried to talk to her about it, but she refuses to even discuss any possibility of ever being in a husband and wife relationship again. She just as adamantly doesn't want me to leave. That is partly because of finances, but also because we have been a very tight family unit and my daughter would have an extreme affect on her which could be serious (we are an extremely close father/daughter relationship.) However selfish I am, I just could not agree to her request and I offered to leave (I am from another country and it would not be possible financially to maintain a separate household in this country.) But, my daughter would be devastated.

She will not discuss any possibility of going back. I don't blame her. I don't know when she made her mind up with such finality, but the train has left the station.

Well, that's the situation and unfortunately I have not felt any better after writing this. I have been married three times now, each of my former wives experienced what my wife has experienced and all of them found solace with another man. It's only now in the twilight of my life I can see how toxic I have been as a partner. She says she still loves me, but not as a husband; more like a family member. I know what she means by that. She loves the memory of what she used to feel when she did love me as a husband. I have hurt every person who has loved me since my early twenties. My second wife once said to me that falling in love with me was like falling in love with a rock: you will love it and be devoted to it but you will never get anything back. I have never deserved any of the love I have been given. I was hoping to feel better after venting, but actually I don't deserve any relief. I am reaping what I have sown.

OP posts:
Harrison46 · 01/06/2023 17:47

Thank you. I’m going in with eyes open. I know it could go wrong. He knows about my military life but I never talked to him or his brothers about it. I’m not going to speak of that. He will know how sorry I am and how proud I am of him. I can only go from there.

OP posts:
Harrison46 · 01/06/2023 17:53

You are right. I have been blaming my shortcomings on something else. It was never fair to my wife I’m not going to even consider any going backwards with my wife. I will take her at her word. For whatever time I have left I will work on myself and just be there if she needs me. My daughter is my focus.

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bottomlypotts22 · 01/06/2023 18:38

I don't have a great deal to add other than what's already been said but I just wanted to say you sound like a really decent man. I'm sure you haven't been perfect as a partner or father, but who has? I hope that you can find a path forward that brings you peace and happiness.

Harrison46 · 02/06/2023 21:13

Just an Update. Its amazing how what seems like the right things to do can turn to shit so quickly. If you see my last post I have resolved to put mt daughter first and stay put, whatever happened with my wife and I. We had one or two calm conversations. I reiterated that I expected nothing and asked nothing of her. I would simply be here for our daughter and her, if she needed me. I would have been happy to leave it at that and let time steer us in the right direction. But she needed to reiterate how badly I have treated her over the years. She kept emphasising that there would never again be anything romantic between us, to which I simply said I understand, I will not ask for that or seek it. She then chastised me for threatening to leave a few days ago. I told her for the time being I am staying put with no demands on her.

At this point she threw into the mix that she will be entertaining "friends" with benefits. I did NOT have a negative response. I simply said that I understood, she needed that in her life. I would try to find an affordable place nearby so that I can be there for our daughter, and her as well if she needed me. At this point she became enraged, saying that I was yet again threatening to leave. I told her no, I am not threatening to leave but only get a separate place so she could pursue her life how she wanted and I would be nearby. After some very colourful name calling by her, she said she could not afford to do without my income and if I took another place I would have to use my income. I reminded her that of course I would need to pay for a separate place, no one is going to give me one for free. At this point I was calm but direct. I said that if I understood correctly, she wanted by to continue to live there, use my total income against the household support, while she pursued her new life of "FWB". To which she replied "Yes" I calmly told her I would not interfere, but I could not continue to live with her under those circumstances. I'll stay nearby, support her by taking my daughter whenever she had plans but I could not do what she was asking.

I don't know where this is going, but I need to find a professional to talk to. This is taking me down. I don't know how much more unselfish I could have been.

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bottomlypotts22 · 02/06/2023 22:27

So to clarify, she wants you to support her having causal sex with other men and still live together? Is she hoping you will turn a blind eye? Pretend it's not happening? Continue a platonic, live in relationship? I can see why that would be hard for you. Surely she isn't wanting to bring men back to your house?

EarthSight · 02/06/2023 22:32

I really think you really need therapy OP.

Although I sympathise with anyone in a sexless marriage without intimacy, it is also totally natural and understandable to not want to be in an open relationship and to have to watch that under your own roof.

Harrison46 · 02/06/2023 22:34

bottomlypotts22 · 02/06/2023 22:27

So to clarify, she wants you to support her having causal sex with other men and still live together? Is she hoping you will turn a blind eye? Pretend it's not happening? Continue a platonic, live in relationship? I can see why that would be hard for you. Surely she isn't wanting to bring men back to your house?

No, she would not bring them back. Mainly on business trips, I suppose. I don’t know her logistics she mainly wanted me to know she
will never want sex with me again, but would have it when she wanted to. I told her she would have been better off to just do it and not tell me. I just can’t agree to that and it would break my daughters heart if she thought her mummy wanted to do that.

OP posts:
Harrison46 · 02/06/2023 22:43

EarthSight · 02/06/2023 22:32

I really think you really need therapy OP.

Although I sympathise with anyone in a sexless marriage without intimacy, it is also totally natural and understandable to not want to be in an open relationship and to have to watch that under your own roof.

I’m not arguing about that. I’m sure I do
need therapy. But to be clear, I offered to secure another place, look after my daughter for her and give total freedom to do what she wanted. Her issue is not having my income to support the household. I don’t know how much more generous I could have been.

OP posts:
EarthSight · 02/06/2023 23:46

I was referring to your PTSD. Therapy is not some kind of magic solution. I don't think talking therapy works for everyone, and some therapists aren't very good, but I think you could do with talking over these things with a professional to see if it helps you get some clarity over what you need to do .

Harrison46 · 02/06/2023 23:59

EarthSight · 02/06/2023 23:46

I was referring to your PTSD. Therapy is not some kind of magic solution. I don't think talking therapy works for everyone, and some therapists aren't very good, but I think you could do with talking over these things with a professional to see if it helps you get some clarity over what you need to do .

The only thing I know I must do is be strong and stable for my daughter. I’m in the home stretch of my life and I have get that one thing right. I vent here, but she isn’t aware of these issues and I want to keep it that way. I know my wife is in a place I don’t understand. I understand I am the cause of her feeling dead toward me, but she is an intelligent, articulate woman. Surely she must know that a string of casual sex partners is not going to replace the lack of validation she is looking for. I hope so anyway for her sake.

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Alcemeg · 03/06/2023 09:39

She doesn't sound that intelligent if she thinks this is a fair solution, OP. Sorry.

BeverlyHa · 03/06/2023 09:50

You do not want to leave, the wife does not want you to leave, your daughter adores you and depends on you for great affection, the house arrangement is fine, just the lack of sex ...what is so hard of just allowing your wife to come to you and be gentle with you.....and see what happens....

newtb · 03/06/2023 10:22

Please look into EMDR, eye movement desensitisation reprocessing, therapy. It's probably the most effective therapy for PTSD.

I speak from extensive personal experience.

monsteramunch · 03/06/2023 10:54

BeverlyHa · 03/06/2023 09:50

You do not want to leave, the wife does not want you to leave, your daughter adores you and depends on you for great affection, the house arrangement is fine, just the lack of sex ...what is so hard of just allowing your wife to come to you and be gentle with you.....and see what happens....

What do you mean by letting her come to him and be gentle?

She doesn't want to be intimate with him.

She kept emphasising that there would never again be anything romantic between us, to which I simply said I understand, I will not ask for that or seek it.

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