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Excluding PIL from son’s Baptism photos

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VerasRaincoat · 14/05/2023 23:28

Hear me out. Yes it’s another in-laws (outlaws) one, but no I’m not an evil dil (I’ll elaborate afterwards).

We are having our son baptised in July. I’m paying for the whole thing as my husband isn’t religious (fair enough). I’m hiring a photographer because my husband is hopeless at taking photos, there are no nice photos of me with our son or of the three of us together and my own family who might take pictures with me actually in them, live abroad (my father’s job keeps my family constantly on the move, apart from my brother who is a godfather) and so they won’t make the ceremony.

Here in lies my issue. I have gone for a budget package for this as I’m on maternity leave. The photographer will only attend the ceremony and briefly the drinks and buffet at the restaurant afterwards. For the cheapest price I can choose ten photographs to edit and receive copyright of the images.

Now my inlaws have never taken a picture of me with my baby, when they come to visit they take pictures of themselves with the baby, with my husband and the baby, and if I’m even slightly in the frame they will ask me to move out. This is especially rude as I don’t have family in the country so it would be nice if they even attempted to acknowledge that I exist by having me in the first photos of the first visit. (I didn’t have any visits for people to see me until all his family had visited separately because they said it was “more important that all his family were able to meet the baby as that was their right”, before my best friend could come and actually support me and my husband.)

I wish I hadn’t allowed this but I was utterly wiped from a traumatic birth which needed further procedures to fix.

I know my inlaws will try to commender the photographer to do a family photo session without me (ie one of granddad/grandma with baby, one with BIL) one of all the boys etc). I want to take one picture of them grouped in the whole as a family, with me in it, because they can’t edit me out when I’m bloody paying for it and they edit me out normal, and that’s the end of it.

I want to use the other photographs on the wonderful people that are his two godfathers and godmother who supported us physically and emotionally through difficult times (his parents didn’t ), pictures of him during the ceremony, and our other wonderful guests who are our ‘village’.

My husband agrees. He doesn’t want a photo at all with them in it, he doesn’t actually like them but doesn’t want to make things awkward with his surviving grandparents (his lovely grandfathers)

Here is why I want to exclude them. My inlaws are not nice people. They are racist, sexist, homophobic you name it. They also caused a lot of stress with some nasty vicious behaviour towards me during the pregnancy and birth. (Don’t want to create a long essay, but don’t want to drip feed, I can elaborate if needed it not too outing). They also told me they think my religion is a joke. So not sure why they are even coming tbh.

A lot of this obviously is a DH issue as he should have managed the relationship better, but easier said then done if you were raised by awful overbearing parents.

Many members of his family secretly acknowledge how awful his parents are, but noone wants to rock the boat and cause them to kick off.

Can I just hand the photographer a shot list and ask him to play the bad guy? I don’t want him wasting time on photos we won’t be using. We eloped so no wedding photos. (We eloped again because his parents threw so many tantrums about how we wanted to have our wedding, that we were paying for, that we ended up just losing our deposits and eloping for the easy life!).

OP posts:
CurlewKate · 15/05/2023 08:46

If I were you, I'd have a baptism with no photographs, then a lovely relaxed photo shoot only telling the people you want involved another day. People will take informal pictures on the day so you'd have a record-and PIL can have the pictures they want too. Win/win.

Newestname002 · 15/05/2023 08:47

VerasRaincoat · 15/05/2023 08:10

I think it would also be helpful for my husband and myself to have a script, of what to say when she asks for extra photos. She will push and push till she gets what she wants.

Remember to leave these awful people out of anything more to do with your baby (or any in the future), including birthday or other celebrations. They really don't sound the kind of people to be in your life and especially not taint your child(ren)'s life in the future.

Hope the day/photo shot goes well on the day. 🌹

VerasRaincoat · 15/05/2023 09:30

@Newestname002 Yes my son’s first Christmas and first birthday will be just me, my husband and friends. I’m not allowing them to ruin any other firsts.

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mindutopia · 15/05/2023 10:12

Totally fine, get one photo with the entire family together, if you must. And then that's it.

You're hiring a professional photographer, who will know who their client is. Tell them in advance the posed shots you want (they will come with a list and make sure to get all those shots) and also that you want casual photos of key people (not ILs) and tell them who those people are. If they are a proper professional and not some random off the street who's never done this before, they will know who to take direction from and will politely brush off attempts by guests to commandeer them for photos that they know they won't be paid for.

CameltoeParkerBowles · 15/05/2023 11:30

VerasRaincoat · 15/05/2023 07:25

I wish I could @CameltoeParkerBowles (great name by the way!)

I’ve already paid for everything. I’m going to enlist I think as another poster said friends to manage his parents so I don’t have to interact with them.

Good idea! Allies are useful.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 15/05/2023 11:37

Don’t invite them to the ceremony, just the party afterwards. Tell them that as they dislike and despise your faith, you want to spare them the terror of entering a consecrated space and behaving politely and respectfully.

Sugarfree23 · 15/05/2023 11:41

You give the photographer a list of the 10 photos you want and who you want and who you want in them.

1, Baby alone
2, You and baby
3, Dad and baby
4, Three of you
5, Three of you & Godparents
6, Baby Mum, Dad & your family
7, Baby Mum, Dad & DH family
8, Baby & just Godparents
9 Baby & Vicar / Minister / Prist
10, All guests

Give him a list of exactly who you.want

Orders76 · 15/05/2023 13:16

VerasRaincoat · 15/05/2023 08:10

I think it would also be helpful for my husband and myself to have a script, of what to say when she asks for extra photos. She will push and push till she gets what she wants.

'can I have xyz now'
'i have some time allocated at the end'

iamaMused · 15/05/2023 17:24

Op another idea could be to ask one of your friends/relatives who know the score to be the go between with the guests PiLs, yourselves and the photographer, I did this at my sisters wedding with her in laws who sound very similar to yours, let them micro manage the situation so you can enjoy your day. Please return to this post after the christening to tell us how you got on.
In the meantime have a fantastic day.

Shadowworry · 15/05/2023 17:28

Gallathea · 15/05/2023 01:45

Yanbu

You're paying for the photos, explain to the photographer and also make it clear that you won't pay for any photos which include anyone not on the pre-agreed list.

Good luck!

This and I’m telling you know your DH needs to choose you and the kids and this parents

if they ever push you out of a photo again - he needs to leave and you take child and go - it’s no negotiable and he needs to have that photo up front

in your situation I’m move it earlier on the day and book it earlier and then claim you told them the wrong time and cancel them

SheilaFentiman · 15/05/2023 18:23

Don’t tell them you have 10? Then your grey rock answer is “yes, we are doing the wider family at the end, please wait” - then it’s the tenth one and the photographer takes the group and then jumps in his car to the ceremony.

Or get everyone you want for the smaller groups to arrive early, do the parents/godparents shots before (no bad idea in case baby spits up on outfit!) and then at the end of the ceremony - group then you DH and grandparents, and then you are done!

womble2023 · 15/05/2023 20:46

Sugarfree23 · 15/05/2023 11:41

You give the photographer a list of the 10 photos you want and who you want and who you want in them.

1, Baby alone
2, You and baby
3, Dad and baby
4, Three of you
5, Three of you & Godparents
6, Baby Mum, Dad & your family
7, Baby Mum, Dad & DH family
8, Baby & just Godparents
9 Baby & Vicar / Minister / Prist
10, All guests

Give him a list of exactly who you.want

This is how it should be. Also, these are digital photos - ie essentially free to take. He can shoot a few more, but just make clear you aren’t buying them and he doesn’t need to photo edit them. Kind of like how we let our kids take photos on our phone and we delete straight away after ;). The photographer is a professional and will know how to manage the situation.

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