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Reassure me breaking up is right decision

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dayofmeh · 09/05/2023 17:10

Sorry for the length but didn't want to drip feed.

Been with my bf for 3+ years, we are both 37. I decided to end things with him yesterday because our relationship is stuck with no progression. I had made it clear in the early days of dating that I wanted marriage and kids by the time i was 38 - he had agreed at the time and said he understood the biological pressures. He has always maintained he would want to be married before having kids, so I know he isn't against the idea of marriage.

We still do not live together. Initially this was ok because he had just bought his first flat and was renovating it which took 2 years (why it took soooo long is another story). I already have my own place and had offered for him to stay with me while he did his own up but he preferred staying with his mum as she lived closer to his place than I did, and he was doing most of the work himself. I reluctantly accepted this as I felt I still lived close enough for him to travel to and from.

Anyway, we still live separately as now he is now enjoying living in his new place and doesn't want to rent it out just yet. And it's far too small for us both to move into. But we spend most of our week with each other, discuss and know each other's finances/spending habits, and have done long periods of travel so we know we can cohabit comfortably. We agreed that we didn't need to live together before getting married, and once married would move into my place, then sell both places and buy somewhere together.

Which brings us on to getting married. Last year he said it would be best if i put some timelines so he had something to plan towards. We both agreed later this year (Sept/Oct) for marriage - no wedding, just us going to registry office and honeymoon straight after, but he wanted to propose. I checked in with him in Jan if we were still on track as at work i need to book my holidays well in advance. He said Sept - we bought tickets for our 'honeymoon' and both took the time off.

We talked again in March and he said he wasn't sure he was ready as we hadn't lived together....We agreed he would spend most of the week at mine, however this never happened as there was always a reason he needed to be back home. It got to April and he said he felt Sept was too soon as he wasn't sure our relationship was strong enough. That we've been arguing recently (over his reluctance to move in, and his about turn on readiness for marriage!). So we agreed 21 May as the absolute deadline for him to figure out what he wanted. Yesterday, he told me he thought my timeline was too rushed and marriage still felt like an alien concept to him. That it feels like a big step. So i asked him what timelines he preferred - he admits he doesn't know!! But doesn't want to break up, can't imagine his life without me, just needs more time but doesn't know how much more time or what new information he needs to help his decision.

So basically, it feels like doesn't want to marry me and is just dragging his feet. I ended it with him yesterday as he doesn't like my plan, doesn't have his own plan and we are just stuck. He can't seem to understand why I don't have unlimited time to give him at my age! I still love him but it's making me feel really deflated that he keeps coming up with excuses to not marry me. So please tell, did i do the right thing or should I be more understanding?

OP posts:
PondLurking · 10/05/2023 18:06

Been here, done that (5+ years in my scenario) best decision I've ever made was to dump him. Gave me the opportunity to find the man of my dreams :)

Good luck! It's tough, but in hindsight you'll wonder why you ever made exceptions for someone who never considered making a single one for you. <3

Persiana · 10/05/2023 18:14

I think you know you've done the right thing. I definitely think you have based on everything you've said. When I met my now DH he was in a long term relationship and he knew it wasn't right, he ended it and we got together and he was 100% sure about us from the off, now married with a DC. In my experience men act when they are sure. I know that's sound generalized and it can't apply in ALL cases, however I think of a handful of cases of the bat of a man not being sure about marriage and kids in principle, but then very quickly doing just that with a new partner - presumably they then felt it was just right?

Alternatively he may never want that sort of relationship and kids, and that's ok. I disagree it's childish or shows he's not grown up. It's just a different life, but perhaps he isn't brave enough to vocalise that to you as he knows it isn't the path you want.

Either way it feels like you aren't going to get what you want from him, whether he is consciously stringing along or not. Wishing you all the best x

SpeedReader · 10/05/2023 18:22

I greatly admire your strength of character in being able to to deliver on an ultimatum.

If marriage is a non-negotiable for you, then you have done exactly the right thing. It sounds to me that he's apprehensive about something and would have been perfectly happy to kick the can down the road, possibly for many years. You've made it clear that you're not waiting around; if he realises he's made a big mistake, he can grovel at your front door!

SaveMeFromMyBoobs · 10/05/2023 18:30

100% right thing. You have a timeline and he doesn't know what he wants. This is a situation I've seen so many times where they say they aren't ready yet, eventually leave when you're mid-40s, are married and have a pregnant partner within 2 years after that.

dayofmeh · 10/05/2023 19:05

Woke up feeling sad today as I miss him but also feeling sadder that we don't want the same future together. It was his complete lack of a vision or any sort of plan for a life together - I really think he'd be happy to live separately forever if I'd let him! I once asked him what he wanted from his life and future in general and he said he didn't know, that he's never known.

Now in hindsight I think it might be some weird inherent commitment phobia as he has 2 brothers also in their 30s who have gfs of 4-5 years and they too don't live together or have any plans to move in or get married. Not religious or anything. They all live very close to their mum, one has never left home, and I know none of them has ever lived with a woman or come close to it. At the time I thought it odd but figured some people are late starters, and my bf was different to his brothers. Guess I was wrong.

But I left him knowing he won't be trying to get me back. I gave the ultimatum more for myself really, to force me to accept what I sort of always knew - that he didn't want to make any sort of commitment to me. It just sucks but I was already feeling like a single person so this isn't too different.

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Catoo · 10/05/2023 19:41

I’m sorry OP.
You’ve done the right thing if you want a family.
Best of luck Xx

Starbrand · 10/05/2023 22:35

Hi OP stay strong. It will get easier day by day. Can you book some stuff in with your friends to look forward to

Starbrand · 17/05/2023 18:33

How are you OP z hopefully doing OK

Manichean · 18/05/2023 11:57

He is a future faker and a massive cunt for wasting your time and then trying to turn it on you. Good luck OP - you sound lovely.

dayofmeh · 11/06/2023 21:41

Starbrand · 17/05/2023 18:33

How are you OP z hopefully doing OK

Hello, thanks for checking in. I'm doing alright. Though it actually got worse than I could have imagined. He came back a week later saying he had thought about it and didn't want to lose me, and we should get married. Took a ring of mine to take to his jeweller friend to get an engagement ring sized but we agreed in principle we were engaged, and would get married in Sept/Oct - just a registry office. I asked him a few times if he was sure, and he said he definitely was. I told my family and few close friends.

Well...we booked registry office and a few days after that, he completely backtracked. Said he had agreed to the possibility of marriage, not marriage itself. And had taken the ring with a view to one day thinking of a proposal. Still had no idea when he might be ready, basically the same convo we had when we broke up. As you can imagine I was livid. Felt like such an idiot for believing him but also shocked he could mess me around this way.

We are completely over now to the point I blocked him on everything. I was ok with how we initially left it but his awful flip flopping in the end was unforgivable and I don't trust him to not do it again. I do feel relief now that it happened before the actual ceremony but how can anyone be so fickle? Ugh.

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middleager · 11/06/2023 21:56

What an absolute cunt of a cowardly man!
So sorry OP, but you are well shot.

His loss. You will find somebody who deserves you, while he lives with mummy.

Goatbilly · 11/06/2023 22:28

@dayofmeh Have you thought about going solo trying to have a child on your own? Or, had fertility checks done at a clinic to know the status of your fertility now?

Ofcourseshecan · 11/06/2023 22:40

Reading this has made me furious on your behalf, OP. He’s been wasting your time in the cruellest possible way.

OK some people are indecisive, and I don’t blame anyone for needing time to make a big life decision.

But ffs, he has strung you along with lie after lie, till you finally gave up on him. Then he reeled you back in for a bit more sadistic fun.

I wish you better luck in future, whether with another man or as a single mother. And I wish him the lonely future he deserves.

dayofmeh · 11/06/2023 22:50

Goatbilly · 11/06/2023 22:28

@dayofmeh Have you thought about going solo trying to have a child on your own? Or, had fertility checks done at a clinic to know the status of your fertility now?

Yes I am considering going it on my own as well. I'm not fully ready for it just yet so it might be something I investigate next year. I've only just started a new job so would need to wait 12 months before I can qualify for decent mat leave in any case. A friend of mine went down the sperm donor route at 39 and seems very happy/fulfilled so I know she'll be able to advise me. But I guess I want a little more time to see if I can meet someone else before fully throwing myself into it.

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xfan · 11/06/2023 23:22

dayofmeh · 11/06/2023 22:50

Yes I am considering going it on my own as well. I'm not fully ready for it just yet so it might be something I investigate next year. I've only just started a new job so would need to wait 12 months before I can qualify for decent mat leave in any case. A friend of mine went down the sperm donor route at 39 and seems very happy/fulfilled so I know she'll be able to advise me. But I guess I want a little more time to see if I can meet someone else before fully throwing myself into it.

But surely you'll be doing the same thing with this potential next partner: setting arbitrary deadlines to cohabit, for marriage pushing for a baby from the get go....do you think anyone wants to be I. A relationship with somewhere they are on a set "deadline" it's not their fault you left it late....

Mollymanna · 11/06/2023 23:47

I can't believe he blamed you OP!!

I'm sorry you're going through this. Break-ups are horrible.

Even if you know it's the right thing, it's not easy to detach emotionally.

Things will get better!

dayofmeh · 12/06/2023 00:09

xfan · 11/06/2023 23:22

But surely you'll be doing the same thing with this potential next partner: setting arbitrary deadlines to cohabit, for marriage pushing for a baby from the get go....do you think anyone wants to be I. A relationship with somewhere they are on a set "deadline" it's not their fault you left it late....

Well, yes, life has deadlines. That's why not many of us are waiting till 60 to settle down or embark on a career for the first time. If a man isn't happy with it, he can find someone with a timeline that suits him better. And I remain optimistic that I can meet someone who want things on the same deadlines that I do. Men get broody too. If I don't, at least I haven't let my life be dictated by what a man wants or doesn't want. It's 2023 and if I'm putting time, loyalty, emotional intimacy, sex, money, property, pension into a relationship, I do get a say in when marriage/kids needs to happen...

Anyway deadlines dictated by my biological clock are far less arbitrary than deadlines set at work - and a lot of people blindly follow those.

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xfan · 12/06/2023 00:15

dayofmeh · 12/06/2023 00:09

Well, yes, life has deadlines. That's why not many of us are waiting till 60 to settle down or embark on a career for the first time. If a man isn't happy with it, he can find someone with a timeline that suits him better. And I remain optimistic that I can meet someone who want things on the same deadlines that I do. Men get broody too. If I don't, at least I haven't let my life be dictated by what a man wants or doesn't want. It's 2023 and if I'm putting time, loyalty, emotional intimacy, sex, money, property, pension into a relationship, I do get a say in when marriage/kids needs to happen...

Anyway deadlines dictated by my biological clock are far less arbitrary than deadlines set at work - and a lot of people blindly follow those.

Good luck with that at 37, I'm sure OLD will deliver a prince charming for you with no needs of his own lol. It sounds like you don't have the balls to pursue solo motherhood...

ClaraBourne · 12/06/2023 00:18

@xfan. Why so nasty?

dayofmeh · 12/06/2023 00:30

xfan · 12/06/2023 00:15

Good luck with that at 37, I'm sure OLD will deliver a prince charming for you with no needs of his own lol. It sounds like you don't have the balls to pursue solo motherhood...

I don't think bitterness from dating, being disappointed by OLD/men, having the "balls" (this definitely wouldn't work, lol) or being lonely is a good enough reason or foundation for solo motherhood. Really wanting a child and being able to financially and emotionally support that child is the only thing that matters surely. And since I'm not feeling any of those things particularly strongly now, it's not something I'm going to pursue just because my ex turned out to be a jerk and i'm 37.

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Manichean · 12/06/2023 14:09

@xfan
**Mean as fuck.

xfan · 12/06/2023 16:22

dayofmeh · 12/06/2023 00:30

I don't think bitterness from dating, being disappointed by OLD/men, having the "balls" (this definitely wouldn't work, lol) or being lonely is a good enough reason or foundation for solo motherhood. Really wanting a child and being able to financially and emotionally support that child is the only thing that matters surely. And since I'm not feeling any of those things particularly strongly now, it's not something I'm going to pursue just because my ex turned out to be a jerk and i'm 37.

You completely disregard the other person's needs and wants and treat the whole relationship as a transaction - on your timeframe. No wonder it didn't work out, maybe next time try to actually appreciate the persin in front of you has their own desires? And low and behold, that don't align to what you must have?? - it definitely smells of last chance saloon stuff....men can see this a mile off

WannabeMathematician · 12/06/2023 16:29

@xfan That’s not I read. I read OP said I want X thing, and if you don’t that’s ok but it’s a deal breaker for me. Then X thing didn’t happen so she left. What’s wrong with that?

AreWeThereYet69 · 12/06/2023 16:52

Wow xfan, so unnecessary 🙄
Do you get a kick out of going online and being nasty to strangers?
Ick

NCMum79 · 12/06/2023 17:23

@xfan turns up on a LOT of posts just to stick a knife in for no apparent reason