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Could I ask for women's perspectives please

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FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 13:32

As per my title, I'd really appreciate some female perspectives on this situation. I've only had one and it was quite negative (end the relationship).

Met my girlfriend through a sport that she brings some of her kids to about 5 months ago.

She was widowed young and has raised her kids as a single parent. She's had a few relationships with single (divorced or separated) Dads but nothing that worked out.

She's 7 years older (31/38) if that's relevant (she has mentioned the age difference recently). She told a white lie about her age when we were first chatting (knocked a couple of years off), which I found funny/a bit ridiculous when she fessed up about a month in). I didn't really understand why she did it and wondered what the point of knocking only two years off was.

We live 40 mins or so apart, and she only has one official night off, as it were, when kids stay with their grandparents. I mostly stay at hers on that night because she likes to be at hand for the kids.

To get to the point (sorry); I occasionally get opportunities to go out in my hometown with friends/acquaintances during the week and very occasionally at the weekend.
I take the opportunities during the week, and occasionally take the opportunities at the weekend, which are usually a Sat night (her night "off"). These are not frequent. Some are couples things, others all guys and she would be the only female present if she went.

She is increasingly expressing annoyance and upset at me doing this. She says that she only gets one night off, that's "her" night and that I should not accept invites/arrange to meet others on a Sat. When I've done this (twice in 4 or 5 months so far) I've arranged to see her on Fri or Sun instead. Apparently this isn't good enough. I've explained that Sat night is the most likely night for a night out as people are whacked on Fri and working on Mon, but that didn't seem to register.

She's also getting increasingly annoyed at me even going out for a quiet drink (once a fortnight or month) on a mid week night; and the last time I did it; got upset and angry and accused me of not caring about the relationship and not being committed to it. She even suggested we finish then but didn't follow through as such.

She's said she's not used to people in a couple going out on their own and that it's a single person thing.

On the age comment; when we haven't had sex every weekend I see her (didn't happen til recently) she said "I was wondering how a 31 year old fella could be attracted to a nearly 39 year old". I assured her otherwise but she seems to have it in her head that I couldn't really be committed and that me going out for a drink also shows that.

I'm now very conscious/a bit stressed about accepting any invitations and feel like it shouldn't be that way.

She has one friend but she also has a family and doesn't seem to go out or do much without her husband.
She was a member of another sport club that has a social aspect to it, but left (it was where she met her most recent ex). She said there was an event on and he had asked if she was going, but she didn't because it wouldn't be appropriate now she's with me. I said I didn't mind her going and that if they were all that likely to get back together, I'd have thought they would've done it in the last year or so since they've been split. I told her she didn't need to avoid events at the club due to me but she didn't seem to take it onboard.

I like her a lot and saw a future (she is open to having more kids, if possible of course) but am feeling increasingly uncomfortable about these issues.

OP posts:
FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 14:04

FetchezLaVache · 24/04/2023 13:58

No, not at all. It would be shit of you to drop your friends because you have a GF. All relationships need some effort to keep them going, not just romantic ones.

And it's not forever, anyway. If things become serious between you, at some point you will meet her DCs and you won't be restricted to just her Saturdays "off" any more.

I've met them. I met them through the sport we met at (she was bringing them to do it and hanging around watching, that's how we got chatting).

As I've mentioned, it's possible for me to stay on other nights if the weekend but it's a different dynamic with the kids at home obviously. And Sun night would not really work with school the next day. Anytime we've met on a Sunday we've just wrapped it up at 8 at the latest and I've gone home.

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LittleLegsKeepGoing · 24/04/2023 14:05

She says she likes doing things in a couple and is suited to being in a couple.

I think you've answered your own question if like millions of others you don't see an issue with doing things as a couple and as individuals but your partner does.

For the relationship to continue one of you will need to compromise massively. Either you give up your social life and friends or she deals with her insecurity and accepts that you're a couple, not two parts of a single person and that you exist and have needs outside of her confines.

Sadly I don't think she'll compromise so you have to ask yourself if you really want a relationship that's as controlling as this?

Aquamarine1029 · 24/04/2023 14:06

FFS, just end it already and find a woman who isn't trying to control your every move. This is only going to get worse, op.

Also, if you definitely want your own children, this is probably not the relationship for you given her age. Honestly, just move on.

NCforthis123456 · 24/04/2023 14:06

crackofdoom · 24/04/2023 13:53

Speaking as a single mum who only has every other weekend child free:

I would hope, if you were committed to seeing me, that you'd prioritise seeing me on my weekends "off", because that's the only time we'd have to see each other;

I wouldn't be bothered at all if you chose to go out with your friends on a night I wasn't free. That's a total red flag.

Don't agree with this at all tbh.

I am a single mum and if my partner chose to go out instead of seeing me, I wouldn't throw a strop about it, would just hope to reschedule for another time.

It is not OP's fault that his partner is socially limited. You cannot dictate what another human being is able to do.

FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 14:09

heldinadream · 24/04/2023 13:58

OP you talk about her kids as if there are loads of them and say she's open to having more too?

Are you really wanting this big family, most of it ready made? Because it doesn't sound like it.
I wonder if she's 'open to having more kids' because she's desperate to get you into fathering the ones she's got?

She is a good, devoted Mum to her kids and I counted that as a big positive.

The kids are also not young and no bother. They do the usual things kids do; football, TV, tablets, running around with their mates. They're only really interested in getting fed and lifts.

I mean, they cause her minor irritation sometimes, but what kid doesn't.

To be honest I think they've seen a few boyfriends go through and are a bit cynical and don't take the situation seriously.

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Seas164 · 24/04/2023 14:11

To be honest I think they've seen a few boyfriends go through and are a bit cynical and don't take the situation seriously.

She's sounding less and less of a catch OP....

Sugarandspicee · 24/04/2023 14:13

I'm a single mum and also in a 5 month relationship with my boyfriend who hasn't got children. I see him every other weekend and on Wednesday evenings as that's when my ex has the children. Sometimes we've both had different social events crop up on the nights we normally see eachother which can be frustrating because we miss eachother but it's also not fair to expect either one of us to miss out on time with friends too. He would be available to see me anytime if I wasn't a parent so its not fair of me to expect him to cancel plans to always see me just because I'm free on those nights. I also would never tell him he can't do anything in the week that's not right. I encourage him to see his friends as my friends and family are also a big part of my life and we both then appreciate the time with eachother more. I think it is a red flag to be telling you you can't go out in the week.

FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 14:14

Seas164 · 24/04/2023 14:11

To be honest I think they've seen a few boyfriends go through and are a bit cynical and don't take the situation seriously.

She's sounding less and less of a catch OP....

By a few, I mean 4 over several years; I don't think that's many, but the experience of them coming and going would understandably make you think "here we go again, this mightn't last". They're bright kids.

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User838960 · 24/04/2023 14:15

As other posters have said, she is definitely controlling you. You sound like you're already tip toeing around on egg shells and it's way too soon for that. You actually sound like a really reasonable person that is trying to do the best by everyone and please do not let her convince you otherwise or gaslight you into believing you are doing something wrong here.

It's so healthy to socialise both together and apart. You could quite easily meet someone that does not have the constraints surrounding seeing each other and sleeping arrangements etc. She needs to acknowledge you're trying to work with her on this.

You having a midweek drink after work should be no skin off her nose. She definitely has a self esteem issue here and she is just self sabotaging the relationship with these unreasonable reactions. I don't think it will change I'm sorry.

FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 14:16

Sugarandspicee · 24/04/2023 14:13

I'm a single mum and also in a 5 month relationship with my boyfriend who hasn't got children. I see him every other weekend and on Wednesday evenings as that's when my ex has the children. Sometimes we've both had different social events crop up on the nights we normally see eachother which can be frustrating because we miss eachother but it's also not fair to expect either one of us to miss out on time with friends too. He would be available to see me anytime if I wasn't a parent so its not fair of me to expect him to cancel plans to always see me just because I'm free on those nights. I also would never tell him he can't do anything in the week that's not right. I encourage him to see his friends as my friends and family are also a big part of my life and we both then appreciate the time with eachother more. I think it is a red flag to be telling you you can't go out in the week.

That's very balanced and has confirmed for me that I'm not being unreasonable here.

Thank you everyone for your replies, really appreciate them, even if they back up what my sister thought.

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loislovesstewie · 24/04/2023 14:19

Another vote to say that she is being controlling. If course you should see you friends and go out in the week. You have a life to live on the days you don't see her and should just get on with it. Find someone else who doesn't have the hang ups.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 24/04/2023 14:20

I think I can sum this up with:
Fuck that shit
And only 5 months in? You’d not see me for dust.

Aquamarine1029 · 24/04/2023 14:21

You should want to be with someone who is happy for you to have friends and to be able to spend time with them. Instead, she gets jealous and angry, even though she herself isn't even able to see you on those days. I really hope you see how fucked up and controlling that is. It's abusive behaviour. Put yourself and your future first. This isn't a relationship that will go the distance.

Thesharkradar · 24/04/2023 14:23

She is resentful that she's 'lumbered' with children and you're not, if you let her she'll have you lumbered with her children whilst she skips off on nights out....

SunflowerTed · 24/04/2023 14:27

FiachraFinn · 24/04/2023 13:47

Thank you for your replies.

When she suggested finishing and I asked her did she really want to do that or what was going on, she said she feels insecure and has fallen for me. I tried to reassure her Im not interested in meeting someone else and am not out looking, she accepted that but then seems to go back to being angry, upset and stressed if I go out for a drink or accept something on a Sat. I accepted a Sat night out while a group of guys (none of them are single guys) in a month or so and asked if it was ok if we saw each other on another night instead that weekend and she got very angry again. How is this going to change, will she settle over time when she sees I'm not leaving?

Sorry but she isnt going to change! She is controlling you and attempting to isolate you. My advice - end it. FInd someone closer to your age who is happy for you both to have separate interests and friends and who you can build a healthy future with !

Doyoumind · 24/04/2023 14:28

AntoniaMacaronia · 24/04/2023 13:58

She is trying to isolate you, OP.

No she's not. You've got no evidence of that. I've been isolated in an abusive relationship. It involves directly sabotaging your relationships with other people.

She's out of order, I agree, OP. She is probably over invested in this relationship as she knows opportunities will be few and far between for her as a lone parent. She only has one day a week spare for you and selfishly wants you to devote it to her. She's jealous when you go out on other days as she can't.

Greensleevevssnotnose · 24/04/2023 14:30

This is why I never dated dad's. It's too awkward to see each other. Find someone local with no kids you will be happier.

Shoelacesundone · 24/04/2023 14:32

I can tell by your posting in here and your responses that you're reasonable, fair and seek compromise. You listen to others. You're kind.

She's honestly very lucky to have a guy like you prepared to put up with her shit. I wouldn't do any of it...the one night a week, the jealousy, the attempt to control, the prioritisation of her feelings over yours...

You may be younger but She's got a lot of growing up to do

Greenfree · 24/04/2023 14:36

She sounds a bit controlling and like she doesn't trust you. I'm a mum to a 7 year old and see my partner every other weekend when she's with her dad. My partner goes out with friends on weekends I don't see him and I just hope he has a good time, I would never say I don't want him to go out without me. Some weekends when I'm at his he'll go out and I just enjoy my free time. We're getting quite serious now so he will be spending more time with me and DD and I would never want him to not have a good social life. It can be a bit hard when he's out on a lads night out and I'm in a different city but I have no reason to not trust him so would never let on that I feel a bit insecure at times as that's just how my brain works sometimes. We've built our relationship on trust and it sounds like she needs to trust you and not make you fee bad about having fun. I would have a very open chat with her about how you feel about her but also you enjoy your social life and don't appreciate the guilt trips. I hope it all works out

Effieswig · 24/04/2023 14:36

NCforthis123456 · 24/04/2023 14:06

Don't agree with this at all tbh.

I am a single mum and if my partner chose to go out instead of seeing me, I wouldn't throw a strop about it, would just hope to reschedule for another time.

It is not OP's fault that his partner is socially limited. You cannot dictate what another human being is able to do.

I agree @NCforthis123456 to expect another person to be available every Saturday night and never have other plans, because its when I am free is entirely unreasonable. And controlling

Expecting the itehr person to never go iut, ever is controlling and abusive.

I am a single parent with 2 kids. I always had a social life. Especially when the kids and I had hobbies together or separately. The social lives were through the hobbies and included the kids. It wasnt often evenings out as only adults. But it was still a social life. You don't have to go out on an evening to have a social life. She could also have her own evening social life by not insisting on spending every Saturday with the latest boyfriend.

@FiachraFinn her age comment manipulative as well. She wanted you to tell her you would never leave her. But come on. She is approaching the age where she isn't going to be able to have children. Your relationship isn't in a place where you spend a lot of time together. And so it would take many years to get to know each other enough to see if having children together is a good idea. Chances are you won't be having kids with her. Would you really be willing to not have kids to be with her? Especially, when she is abusing you?

She told you she was a few years younger again to manipulate. She is insecure and lied. She was aware you don't have kids and 36 is better than approaching 40 if you are interested in getting with someone who doesn't have kids, but wants them.

I am 41. I am entirely aware that I am not a desirable choice for a man who wants kids. So it's not a dig at her age. It's a fact of life. I am coming to an age where likelihood of having more kids is reducing.

I would end this if I were you. So many red flags.

Effieswig · 24/04/2023 14:40

Doyoumind · 24/04/2023 14:28

No she's not. You've got no evidence of that. I've been isolated in an abusive relationship. It involves directly sabotaging your relationships with other people.

She's out of order, I agree, OP. She is probably over invested in this relationship as she knows opportunities will be few and far between for her as a lone parent. She only has one day a week spare for you and selfishly wants you to devote it to her. She's jealous when you go out on other days as she can't.

And you haven't been in all abusive relationships though have you.

Not all abusers directly sabotage their partners relationships with others.

Expressing upset at their partner socialising is also a very common tactic. It progresses so the partner no longer wants to go out so their partner does get upset. It's easier to just not go. Then the relationships with those friends, end up fading away.

I know, because my abusive exh did that. He didn't directly sabotage my relationships with others.

I think you need to understand there isn't one way to abuse, control or isolate someone. And your abusive relationship isn't the same as all others abusive relationships.

Doyoumind · 24/04/2023 14:46

Effieswig · 24/04/2023 14:40

And you haven't been in all abusive relationships though have you.

Not all abusers directly sabotage their partners relationships with others.

Expressing upset at their partner socialising is also a very common tactic. It progresses so the partner no longer wants to go out so their partner does get upset. It's easier to just not go. Then the relationships with those friends, end up fading away.

I know, because my abusive exh did that. He didn't directly sabotage my relationships with others.

I think you need to understand there isn't one way to abuse, control or isolate someone. And your abusive relationship isn't the same as all others abusive relationships.

There isn't evidence she's isolating him. I don't think it's helpful to throw around terms like this with no basis. It's like people who immediately jump in and claim someone who manipulates is a narcissist.

She's clearly not behaving well and that's enough of a reason for OP to end it.

Effieswig · 24/04/2023 14:55

Doyoumind · 24/04/2023 14:46

There isn't evidence she's isolating him. I don't think it's helpful to throw around terms like this with no basis. It's like people who immediately jump in and claim someone who manipulates is a narcissist.

She's clearly not behaving well and that's enough of a reason for OP to end it.

There absolutely is.

She has told op that socialising without her is 'a single person thing' and threatened to dump Op when they made plans without her.

You believing that isolating is only isolating in one specific set of circumstances, isn't correct.

You choosing to ignore that this is often how isolation starts, also doesn't make you correct.

whattodoforthebest2 · 24/04/2023 14:58

OP, she's told you that she's better suited to being in a couple. Good for her. That's her opinion and she can have it, but it doesn't mean that you have to abandon aspects of your social life just to suit her and her needs. It's healthy to have a group of friends that you want to see, whether couples or not.

What she's hoping for is someone who's as dependent on her as she is on you. You aren't that person, you have a life outside your relationship with her and that something worthwhile and to be cherished.

Shoelacesundone · 24/04/2023 14:59

I agree that objecting to socialising in general (as opposed to seeing a particular person they might not like for a specific reason) is a feature of isolating.

The "you shouldn't be having fun without me" line is dangerous and I'm.concernrd how she's extending the list of things which "good boyfriends don't do"

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