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Will my heart ever unbreak?

74 replies

Corastiredmummy · 09/04/2023 17:59

How do you stop loving someone who was inexplicably cruel to you?

It’s a long story, but we finally got together after he messed me around for the best part of a year. When i say I have never loved someone so strongly in my whole life, it doesn’t do justice for what I felt. He was like a drug to me, I couldn’t think of anything else, I worshipped this man and I would have done anything, anything to make it work with him.
But after he messed me around so much, by time we got together, my trust was low and we knew we needed to work on building our relationship up, we both knew it’d be hard work but the feelings we had made it worth it.
When we were together it was genuinely like nothing I have ever experienced. And it was the same for us both (apparently). I know the difference between sex and making love because of him, the intensity of it, if you’ve felt this way then you know what I’m talking about. The ecstasy of being intimate with someone you love so ferociously is like nothing else on earth.
I asked him to do one thing for me. To never go off grid again and leave me in the dark wondering where I stood, to never ever let me fall asleep wondering where he was or what was going on, and whether I still mattered. He promised he wouldn’t, he also promised he’d never break my heart again. But he did it again, and out of respect for myself and realising he would never develop empathy (he’s 42, he won’t change now) I ended the relationship. I finally blew up, big time, I completely lost my sh1t. All the thoughts, feelings and anger I’d held back on previous occasions when he’d deeply hurt me poured out of me in the most vicious, vitriolic manner. I told him he was a compulsive liar and a narcissist, I told him to drop dead, I even called him the C word - and I meant every single word of it. The pain he caused me was unbearable. The pain was so raw and unbearable because the love I felt for him was so intense.
But I had to end it - this was probably the 6th or 7th time he’d hurt me deeply. Here’s the kicker - he didn’t even fight for us/me. He just let me go. This man who (in his words) worshipped me, would do anything for me, had never felt so besotted with someone, wanted to spend his life with me, wanted to marry me one day, wanted to be stepfather to my daughter and love her every bit as much as he loved me because she was a part of me, just walked away with barely a tear.
This was 5 months ago and whilst I am able to function and laugh again, the feel of him, the love I had for him and the love he declared to have in return have left a hole in my life that I’m scared will never be filled.

If I can’t love that deeply again I never want to be with anyone else, because nothing will compare. Although he was cruel in his unthinking, and he was a narcissist and a liar, he was also loving, and sweet, emotional and deeply feeling. He was tactile and complimentary, when he looked at me I knew he worshipped me as I did him.
When I ended it he said he didn’t fight because he found my reaction to his terrible treatment to be ‘abusive’ (verbally). So he used my emotional response to the pain he caused me as a reason it all fell apart.

But I simply cannot stop loving him. And hating him at the same time. I need there to be a light at the end of this. I have so much love in me, so much to give. Please tell me I’ll feel again, I just need to feel, I am so numb.

OP posts:
LiliLil · 09/04/2023 19:04

I agree with the others, this wasn’t love although I don’t doubt the feelings were intense, it was a trauma bond created the first time he used this push and pull behaviour.

What was your experience of relationships growing up? Your childhood? There is a wound there that needs healing, you need to find it.

No contact is the only way to go with him, he will come back eventually and claim to have changed - don’t fall for it, it’s part of the script.

You will heal, but these relationships take longer than “normal” relationships to get over. You are weaning yourself off a drug, it takes time but be proud for ending it and keep it that way. You and your daughter deserve better x

samqueens · 09/04/2023 19:10

DoubleTime · 09/04/2023 18:45

'Women Who Love Too Much' isn't about love, its about being stuck in a pattern of unhealthy relationships.

I get that.

I just have a personal hatred of the ubiquitous and pervasive messaging which surrounds us which suggests that women should take responsibility for being with abusive men.

I get that it’s a complex issue, I get that you can only control your part in things, I get that this kind of advice and comment can be interpreted just as a way of getting your radar on track and improving self worth so you don’t get stung - I get it, I get it, I get it. But it’s astonishing to me how often people do offer “support/advice” which implies behind the victim of DV is in some way your own fault. When you’re incredibly vulnerable sometimes that’s how it feels even if it’s not intended that way. I appreciate that’s probably not what the book says, or what you meant, or what any well meaning friend intends - but it’s so often there as unintentional subtext because it is SO drummed into us that women are somehow to blame.

Anyway - your comment is clearly incredibly triggering for me, and that’s my issue so apologies. Sometimes some raw pain just wells up unexpectedly - I was not in any way having a go. I’m sure it’s a great book. I just wanted to offer some solidarity in case OP feels she is to blame for not “seeing” it, that’s all.

samqueens · 09/04/2023 19:11

It’s also true that being in an abusive relationship isn’t always part of a pattern. It really can happen to anyone.

DoubleTime · 09/04/2023 19:13

samqueens · 09/04/2023 19:10

I get that.

I just have a personal hatred of the ubiquitous and pervasive messaging which surrounds us which suggests that women should take responsibility for being with abusive men.

I get that it’s a complex issue, I get that you can only control your part in things, I get that this kind of advice and comment can be interpreted just as a way of getting your radar on track and improving self worth so you don’t get stung - I get it, I get it, I get it. But it’s astonishing to me how often people do offer “support/advice” which implies behind the victim of DV is in some way your own fault. When you’re incredibly vulnerable sometimes that’s how it feels even if it’s not intended that way. I appreciate that’s probably not what the book says, or what you meant, or what any well meaning friend intends - but it’s so often there as unintentional subtext because it is SO drummed into us that women are somehow to blame.

Anyway - your comment is clearly incredibly triggering for me, and that’s my issue so apologies. Sometimes some raw pain just wells up unexpectedly - I was not in any way having a go. I’m sure it’s a great book. I just wanted to offer some solidarity in case OP feels she is to blame for not “seeing” it, that’s all.

No that wasn't what I meant, and no that's not the angle of the book - it doesn't blame women in the slightest.

FiddleLeaf · 09/04/2023 19:15

OP, this isn’t love, it’s limerence.

Distance will snap you out of it in time but I highly recommend therapy or you’ll likely fall into another dysfunctional situationship.

Rapapampam · 09/04/2023 19:17

What did he do? How did he betray your trust? Did he cheat on you?
You see, it all depends what he did and you are not giving enough details about that. Some things are forgivable, some things aren’t.

Corastiredmummy · 09/04/2023 19:22

@alwaysginplease my daughter was in my presence for one of the arguments over the phone, and she's one of the main reasons I would never allow this person or another like him back in my life. This one row she heard was the only one I had with him because I'd bottled up a lot of my feelings for fear of losing him. It all came out during this one row - the bad language was sent later via text - what my daughter saw was me being devastated and angry (just before you hop back on your high horse and judge my parenting). Don't feel sorry for my daughter. She has a wonderful mother who worships her and provides an amazing life by working exceptionally hard in a senior management job. I see you, I see you picturing some drop out, half-arsed mother, and you COULD NOT be more wrong.
Bringing my parenting into question is a very low blow.

OP posts:
AlwaysGinPlease · 09/04/2023 19:40

I certainly didn't picture you as a drop out but you're very intense. I fail to believe that your child didn't notice you mooning about over this man and witness the moods, the upset. Your job is little to do with any of this but if again, it was all so intense and emotional, your mood would be affected and obvious.

AfricanAmericanFriday · 09/04/2023 19:55

I don’t know why everyone is giving OP a hard time about the intensity of her feelings.It’s not like she can help it. Some people are more passionate (and hormonal) than others. Though it’s true, the stronger your feelings the more you’ll suffer.
In your great passion you might have got a bit irrational and lost your shit over something trivial that otherwise other people would not be bothered with in a less possessive relationship? You say he already hurt you already about 6-7 times and you always took him back. Is it possible he cheated on you 6-7 times and you kept taking him back? Because this would say a lot about you too.

Sunnysideup999 · 09/04/2023 20:09

You’ve come so far and it only gets easier with time.
stay strong.
what you are describing is not love - it is a toxic trauma bond as another poster has pointed.
remember the bad times and keep reminding yourself of them. This will make things easier.
natcissists like to be put on a pedestal (which is what you are doing by describing him as the love of your life etc). He is manipulating you .
move on and I wish you well in finding true, secure love

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 09/04/2023 20:16

My heart took 7 years to unbreak. Suddenly my brain said he is never going to want the relationship with you that you want with him. And that was it.

Look up - oh god the word has gone. Gahh! The psychological word for crush - think it starts with an L. Or wait for a better read MNer to tell you what it is. Sorry I've had a g&t.

LiliLil · 09/04/2023 20:19

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 09/04/2023 20:16

My heart took 7 years to unbreak. Suddenly my brain said he is never going to want the relationship with you that you want with him. And that was it.

Look up - oh god the word has gone. Gahh! The psychological word for crush - think it starts with an L. Or wait for a better read MNer to tell you what it is. Sorry I've had a g&t.

Limerence?

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 09/04/2023 20:20

LiliLil · 09/04/2023 20:19

Limerence?

YES! Impressive speed @Lililil

AfricanAmericanFriday · 09/04/2023 20:22

Sunnysideup999 · 09/04/2023 20:09

You’ve come so far and it only gets easier with time.
stay strong.
what you are describing is not love - it is a toxic trauma bond as another poster has pointed.
remember the bad times and keep reminding yourself of them. This will make things easier.
natcissists like to be put on a pedestal (which is what you are doing by describing him as the love of your life etc). He is manipulating you .
move on and I wish you well in finding true, secure love

How do you know what OP feels? What do you mean it’s not love? Are you a psychotherapist? If OP experiences it as love, then nobody has the right to dismiss her feelings. What is love anyway? Are you an expert on love and on other people’s feelings? We cannot lecture each other on love because it os different to everyone.

I don’t mean to be rude with these questions but genuinely interested why some people dismiss the feelings of others. She might say a couple of years down the line herself that it was indeed a toxic bond but while it’s happening and she is in the grip of it, it does feels like love she has never experienced before.
What if someone told you that whatever you are feeling for your children is not real love but a stupid hormonal surge to fool you into making sure the human race continues? Would you nod and agree with them?

Corastiredmummy · 09/04/2023 20:24

AlwaysGinPlease · 09/04/2023 19:40

I certainly didn't picture you as a drop out but you're very intense. I fail to believe that your child didn't notice you mooning about over this man and witness the moods, the upset. Your job is little to do with any of this but if again, it was all so intense and emotional, your mood would be affected and obvious.

That's actually fair. Yeah my mood and I guess being more distracted than I should have been will have definitely been a factor which, as you rightly say, isn't fair on her. And she deserves the very best of me, which she fortunately gets now - all the cuddles, giggles, absolute daft goofy behaviour, smiles and attention. I give my love now where I get it back but there are pockets of time when I don't have my little girl with me where I get in my own head and it eats me up. I didn't mean to be rude in my response but I would hate anyone to think bad of me as a parent. Call me intense or a nutter even, haha, but I know I'm a great mum...more so now than then!

OP posts:
MMadness · 09/04/2023 20:26

You don't sound unhinged.

I've been there and I understand finally realising what love should feel like.

A few posters here need to remove the stick from their arse about it.

Unfortunately he does sound like a narc, I got the same treatment but it didn't stop the feelings.

Of knowing how I was capable of loving someone and not ever wanting to settle for less than that in the future.

LiliLil · 09/04/2023 20:28

StrictlyAFemaleFemale · 09/04/2023 20:20

YES! Impressive speed @Lililil

I have been a victim many times 😂

Corastiredmummy · 09/04/2023 20:31

Rapapampam · 09/04/2023 19:17

What did he do? How did he betray your trust? Did he cheat on you?
You see, it all depends what he did and you are not giving enough details about that. Some things are forgivable, some things aren’t.

He went home to see the kids and then his ex called me telling me it's time to 'f off' because he's been there 'f***g her'. And then he ignored all my calls and texts for 24 hours. It's not the first time he's gone off grid and ignored me. So being 'online' on WhatsApp but choosing not to even read a message I've sent him and then when I've called him out on actively choosing to ignore my messages telling me 'you can't live your life by blue ticks'. Not, but you should have common decency and manners towards the person you 'love' right? Tbh he did so much questionable shit that I let go, he lied about things he didn't need to even lie about and this daft mug didn't call him out on things for fear of losing him. And all I lost by doing that was myself 🤦🏼‍♀️

OP posts:
AlwaysGinPlease · 09/04/2023 20:32

@Corastiredmummy

I'm sure you are a really great Mum. He's an idiot and there's someone better out there for you that wont put you through that sort of shit. I'm sorry if I upset you, that was not my intention. Look after yourself 💕

MMadness · 09/04/2023 20:32

And being a mother doesn't mean you're automatically meant to forgo all other relationships. Having your children see you navigate healthy and unhealthy relationships is not a bad thing.

Especially as you ended it and didn't drag it out hoping for better.

It's better than turning into a martyr for your children and then placing all the expectations into your children for fulfilment and emotional support.

I can't stand the immediate implication that because you've been hurt you've somehow exposed your child to harm. The assumption is at best ignorant.

Rapapampam · 09/04/2023 20:48

Corastiredmummy · 09/04/2023 20:31

He went home to see the kids and then his ex called me telling me it's time to 'f off' because he's been there 'f***g her'. And then he ignored all my calls and texts for 24 hours. It's not the first time he's gone off grid and ignored me. So being 'online' on WhatsApp but choosing not to even read a message I've sent him and then when I've called him out on actively choosing to ignore my messages telling me 'you can't live your life by blue ticks'. Not, but you should have common decency and manners towards the person you 'love' right? Tbh he did so much questionable shit that I let go, he lied about things he didn't need to even lie about and this daft mug didn't call him out on things for fear of losing him. And all I lost by doing that was myself 🤦🏼‍♀️

Yeah he sounds bad.
But was it true he was shagging his ex or was it just the ranting of a vindictive ex? Well I guess you’ll never know, both of them can say pretty much whatever they want.
Anyway you’re better off alone than in bad company.

Wishona · 09/04/2023 20:51

Zippidydoo · 09/04/2023 18:14

This sounds like a Trauma bond.
Him saying all the things you wanted to hear but his actions were different.
The hot/ cold cycle is how these men hook you, desolate when he treats you badly then you are flooded with dopamine and relief when he comes back.
Not love, a toxic relationship

Agree

Read up on intermittent reinforcement

whattodo22222 · 09/04/2023 21:00

The kind of feelings you're describing sound more like infatuation than love and don't make for a healthy, happy, sustainable life.

Sunnysideup999 · 09/04/2023 21:11

AfricanAmericanFriday · 09/04/2023 20:22

How do you know what OP feels? What do you mean it’s not love? Are you a psychotherapist? If OP experiences it as love, then nobody has the right to dismiss her feelings. What is love anyway? Are you an expert on love and on other people’s feelings? We cannot lecture each other on love because it os different to everyone.

I don’t mean to be rude with these questions but genuinely interested why some people dismiss the feelings of others. She might say a couple of years down the line herself that it was indeed a toxic bond but while it’s happening and she is in the grip of it, it does feels like love she has never experienced before.
What if someone told you that whatever you are feeling for your children is not real love but a stupid hormonal surge to fool you into making sure the human race continues? Would you nod and agree with them?

it might FEEL like love to the OP - but from OP’s description it sounds more like infatuation / limerance.
which is distinct from love, yes.

Backtoblack1 · 09/04/2023 21:19

I am in the exact same situation as you and have been for the last 8 years. He came back into my life a few months ago after no contact for 18 months but has now disappeared again. It is the absolute worst feeling. I don’t know what the answer is - I had a very bad day yesterday where I could t stop thinking about him.

I feel your pain, it is shit x