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Is this what to expect in divorce?

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Shells85 · 19/03/2023 11:08

My husband left me just under two weeks ago. It was unexpected and left me shocked. He said he had been unhappy for a while and didn't want a unhappy home for our children. He's gone to stay at his mum's. He's dropped DC of this morning and told me he can collect her from school as he is seeing a mortgage advisor and solicitor to buy a house.
He has agreed to pay the mortgage on the family home to enable DC not to be uprooted. I have no clue where the money has come from to enable him to do this and am also really shocked at the quickness in which he seems to have moved on. We've been together 10 years and after two weeks he's off buying a house. Feel like this has been premeditated and he's been planning to leave me for a while. I feel so hurt and now worried what's going to come next . Is this the norm when you split up ? Just wanted to hear other peoples stories .

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MyriadOfTravels · 20/03/2023 12:45

It doesn’t make sense. If he is buying a hose now, before you’ve split finances, the hose will go into the common pot. It sounds like a very strange move in his part.

And yes he has been thinking about it for a long Time and has already planned his new life in his head 😢😢 I’m sorry @Shells85 . It must even more if shock for you.

Shells85 · 20/03/2023 12:47

I have no idea what he's playing at . We got a car in my name he pays for it , he said he would until the term ends the last time we talked ,now I'm not sure that will happen either . How much do divorce solicitors cost ? I have no clue about any of this

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MyriadOfTravels · 20/03/2023 12:49

I’m sorry you got confirmation of the OW too.

Please go and see a lawyer asap.
Dint take his word fir anything. He’ll protect himself first.
Dint be kind. It’s nit a time to be kind. It’s a time to be fair, fair towards yourself and your dcs. And it’s very likely that he will find FAIR arrangement very unkind (or he will claim it is)

Opentooffers · 20/03/2023 12:54

If he were to buy another house somehow, it would be using family money, so you'd be entitled to half that property too as well as your current one.
Wether he could get someone like a family member that he trusts to buy one in their name on his behalf, and pay the mortgage on it is another possibility maybe, or perhaps his OW would have it in her name but he'd pay a chunk of what is your family money to her instead - more likely. So act quickly, you need to get a solicitor to block all large purchases because I think OW is buying but he's funding it. He won't get one in his name when still married to you, but she can help in that so it is more proof of someone else. If he can't guarantee her the cash imput then she will likely back out. He can pay her rent to live with her by all means, but if he gives her a large deposit chunk from family savings, that's not on and needs stopping before it happens.

Madamecastafiore · 20/03/2023 12:56

Do you live near the seaside? A friends son's wife has just left the family for a guy who has left his family. I know a long shot but timings add up.

mostlydrinkstea · 20/03/2023 13:03

OP I'm so sorry. This is a horrible thing to go through. The man you thought was your husband no longer exists so there is grief to go through. Expect anger, denial, sadness and more. For now you have to catch up and catch up quickly. List out and get evidence for your marital assets. If there is a joint account take out half and put it in yours. What does he earn? What do you earn? Do you have savings and where are they? What is your house worth? What pensions do you have? Is there any debt?

Book an appointment with a good family solicitor and treat this as a business transaction. I know it doesn't feel like it but the solicitor isn't your therapist.

Also, book an appointment with your GP for a STD test. If you need support during this time of trauma speak to your GP as antidepressants may help for a short time. Counselling may help.

You will get through this.

Replytoisthiswhattoexpect · 20/03/2023 13:22

@Shells85 Practical info if / when needed. For now, take good care of yourself :)

Re – Divorce and Financial Settlement

There are two aspects - divorce and financial settlement.
Divorce is relatively straightforward. Financial settlement more complex.

Many people became litigants in person and represent themselves, getting legal advice as and when needed. Some engage a solicitor and/or barrister to represent them. More about getting legal advice is below.

Guides here: www.advicenow.org.uk/divorce-and-separation

Financial Settlement
To know what a fair split of assets is, and to reach a financial settlement, divorcing parties need to know what the assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Full and frank disclosure is a legal requirement.

What does full and frank disclosure look like?
Look at a Form E. A long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. You can see in it the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and financial settlement, for example property (the former matrimonial home), pensions, savings, stocks and shares etc.
It also lists the documents needed that show the value of assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers). Form Es are exchanged – both parties fill them out, attach the required documentary evidence and send them to each other. Mediators if used, usually ask parties to fill out Form Es. Form D81 can also be used.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1128798/Form_E_0123_save.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-d81-statement-of-information-for-a-consent-order-in-relation-to-a-financial-remedy

What are the assets worth?
To find out what some assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by an expert - estate agents, pensions by CETV and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE/actuary) report and so on. It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these. Property can be valued by getting three estate agent valuations and taking the average, or one party can propose three solicitors and the other party can choose one of the three, after which the chosen estate agent is instructed to value the property. A surveyor can also be used to value a property.

Pensions can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former matrimonial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert).
Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children. An actuary can do an in-depth report on pension sharing - what capital and income would be if split 50/50 or a percentage of choice. They can be instructed to factor in retirement ages of the parties. Joint instructions are given to the actuary and they walk parties through the process.

Who gets what?
When deciding how to distribute a couple’s assets and income the court must apply a checklist of factors set by statute. The relevant statute is section 25 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973. These factors will need to be applied in every case, regardless of whether you are engaged in court proceedings or negotiating your own settlement. These are often called the Section 25 factors, which the court will consider when deciding how to distribute assets upon divorce or dissolution.

Section 25 Factors
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25
images.ctfassets.net/o8luwa28k6k2/2cpp2mEMwBJWJLuzTiTruB/b5397e7459154fad8927826a2c99acdd/section-25-expert-guide.pdf

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future is considered.

First consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are considered and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Not getting full and frank disclosure?
It is vital to get all the assets “on the table” so that informed financial decision can be made and a fair/just settlement negotiated.

Full and frank financial disclosure is required and usually provided when Form E is exchanged.

If after Form E there is missing information / documentary evidence ‘Questionnaires’ may be exchanged to retrieve it – a list of questions and a list of any missing documentary evidence required which is served on each party.
If still missing after that, ‘Deficiencies’ are exchanged – questions can be asked to clarify and al list of required documentary evidence still missing.

A solicitor’s letter can be sent to retrieve financial information / documentary evidence.

A Court Order can also be applied for to gain financial information / documentary evidence / valuations that are missing / essential.

Advice and info
These offer a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension
Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement
www.advicenow.org.uk/divorce-and-separation
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce

Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report (actuary)
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

Mediation
Mediation can be used to reach agreements.

Some cases are not suitable for mediation e.g., domestic abuse/bullying/coercive control.

www.gov.uk/money-property-when-relationship-ends/mediation
resolution.org.uk/looking-for-help/splitting-up/your-process-options-for-divorce-and-dissolution/family-mediation/

The First Meeting with a Mediator – The MIAM
www.familymediationcouncil.org.uk/family-mediation/assessment-meeting-miam/
“The mediator will tell you whether your case is suitable for mediation, and you can decide whether you want to proceed with mediation or explore another option for resolving issues. The mediator can also give you information about other services which provide help and support.”

Legal advice
This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates
Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/ On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.
Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.
Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct

Mumsnet suggest www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/separation-divorce-and-dissolution-civil-partnerships

tatteddear · 20/03/2023 13:23

Op, please urgently make enquiries with a few solicitors and make an appointment-some of them do the first half an hour for free-but don't let that sway your decision on who to go with too much.
Hard as it is you must try to see this as a business transaction. You want to get as much out of it as possible. Go with the mindset that he will want to give as little as possible. Don't listen to what he's saying-it's likely to be an act but even if it isn't the solicitor will tell you what is fair and that's who you should listen to and go with what they advise-no concessions to be nice etc etc. all that being nice for the sake of a good Co parenting relationship means nothing years later, but being skint does, believe me!

Sorry this has happened to you. Undoubtedly it will be an awful time. But you will come through it the stronger in the end, like lots of us here. It just takes some time to get there. Take care of yourself.

Replytoisthiswhattoexpect · 20/03/2023 13:26

Replytoisthiswhattoexpect · 20/03/2023 13:22

@Shells85 Practical info if / when needed. For now, take good care of yourself :)

Re – Divorce and Financial Settlement

There are two aspects - divorce and financial settlement.
Divorce is relatively straightforward. Financial settlement more complex.

Many people became litigants in person and represent themselves, getting legal advice as and when needed. Some engage a solicitor and/or barrister to represent them. More about getting legal advice is below.

Guides here: www.advicenow.org.uk/divorce-and-separation

Financial Settlement
To know what a fair split of assets is, and to reach a financial settlement, divorcing parties need to know what the assets of the marriage are, and what each asset is worth.

Full and frank disclosure is a legal requirement.

What does full and frank disclosure look like?
Look at a Form E. A long document in which each party sets out their assets, income, and financial needs. You can see in it the assets that are taken into consideration upon divorce and financial settlement, for example property (the former matrimonial home), pensions, savings, stocks and shares etc.
It also lists the documents needed that show the value of assets for example CETVs (cash equivalent transfer values of pensions - which can be requested from pension providers). Form Es are exchanged – both parties fill them out, attach the required documentary evidence and send them to each other. Mediators if used, usually ask parties to fill out Form Es. Form D81 can also be used.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1128798/Form_E_0123_save.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/publications/form-d81-statement-of-information-for-a-consent-order-in-relation-to-a-financial-remedy

What are the assets worth?
To find out what some assets are worth an independent expert can be used. Property can be valued by an expert - estate agents, pensions by CETV and / or a pension on divorce expert (PODE/actuary) report and so on. It is important to decide what needs a valuation by an independent expert and factor in the costs of these. Property can be valued by getting three estate agent valuations and taking the average, or one party can propose three solicitors and the other party can choose one of the three, after which the chosen estate agent is instructed to value the property. A surveyor can also be used to value a property.

Pensions can be very valuable – equivalent or more than the value of the former matrimonial home in some cases. Divorcing parties might hold different types of pensions (not like-for-like, so difficult to compare without an expert).
Circumstances might be complex for example an age difference or pensions in payment. One party may have stayed at home to look after children. An actuary can do an in-depth report on pension sharing - what capital and income would be if split 50/50 or a percentage of choice. They can be instructed to factor in retirement ages of the parties. Joint instructions are given to the actuary and they walk parties through the process.

Who gets what?
When deciding how to distribute a couple’s assets and income the court must apply a checklist of factors set by statute. The relevant statute is section 25 of the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973. These factors will need to be applied in every case, regardless of whether you are engaged in court proceedings or negotiating your own settlement. These are often called the Section 25 factors, which the court will consider when deciding how to distribute assets upon divorce or dissolution.

Section 25 Factors
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1973/18/section/25
images.ctfassets.net/o8luwa28k6k2/2cpp2mEMwBJWJLuzTiTruB/b5397e7459154fad8927826a2c99acdd/section-25-expert-guide.pdf

The income, earning capacity, property, and other financial resource which each of the parties to the marriage has or is likely to have in the foreseeable future is considered.

First consideration is given to the welfare (while a minor) of any child of the family who has not yet attained the age of eighteen.

The needs of each divorcing party are considered and as I understand it 50 / 50 is the starting point – so unequal shares based on circumstances and needs is possible, for example 60 / 40.

Not getting full and frank disclosure?
It is vital to get all the assets “on the table” so that informed financial decision can be made and a fair/just settlement negotiated.

Full and frank financial disclosure is required and usually provided when Form E is exchanged.

If after Form E there is missing information / documentary evidence ‘Questionnaires’ may be exchanged to retrieve it – a list of questions and a list of any missing documentary evidence required which is served on each party.
If still missing after that, ‘Deficiencies’ are exchanged – questions can be asked to clarify and al list of required documentary evidence still missing.

A solicitor’s letter can be sent to retrieve financial information / documentary evidence.

A Court Order can also be applied for to gain financial information / documentary evidence / valuations that are missing / essential.

Advice and info
These offer a free advice session about pensions on divorce and separation www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/family-and-care/divorce-and-separation/divorce-or-dissolution-how-we-can-help-with-your-pension
Free advice line (busy so keep trying) rightsofwomen.org.uk

Guides on divorce and financial settlement
www.advicenow.org.uk/divorce-and-separation
www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-apply-financial-order-without-help-lawyer

Pensions on divorce
www.sharingpensions.co.uk/penaudit3.htm
www.mediateuk.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-pensions-on-divorce/
www.nuffieldfoundation.org/news/new-good-practice-guide-addresses-shortfall-in-understanding-of-how-to-treat-pensions-on-divorce

Valuation of pensions – pensions on divorce expert report (actuary)
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk no relation – useful website
www.collinspensionactuaries.co.uk/pension-data-collection/ templates for information required

Mediation
Mediation can be used to reach agreements.

Some cases are not suitable for mediation e.g., domestic abuse/bullying/coercive control.

www.gov.uk/money-property-when-relationship-ends/mediation
resolution.org.uk/looking-for-help/splitting-up/your-process-options-for-divorce-and-dissolution/family-mediation/

The First Meeting with a Mediator – The MIAM
www.familymediationcouncil.org.uk/family-mediation/assessment-meeting-miam/
“The mediator will tell you whether your case is suitable for mediation, and you can decide whether you want to proceed with mediation or explore another option for resolving issues. The mediator can also give you information about other services which provide help and support.”

Legal advice
This link gives you an indication of hourly rate for solicitors
www.gov.uk/guidance/solicitors-guideline-hourly-rates
Some organisations offer free advice from solicitors and barristers rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/ On their FAQs page…”Our Legal Officers and Volunteer legal advisors are all solicitors and barristers”.
Some family solicitors offer an in initial free consultation and some a fixed fee rather than hourly.
Some barristers can be directly instructed e.g., via Clerksroom Direct

Mumsnet suggest www.advicenow.org.uk/tags/separation-divorce-and-dissolution-civil-partnerships

Correction : Property can be valued by getting three estate agent valuations and taking the average, or one party can propose three [solicitors] estate agents and the other party can choose one of the three, after which the chosen estate agent is instructed to value the property.

tatteddear · 20/03/2023 13:26

I would advise going through CSA as well. I didn't and that has massively backfired on me now. You can start that ball rolling now, and do it yourself on their website

JJ8765 · 20/03/2023 13:43

Are you on deeds if not you need register your interest in home with land registry so he can’t sell it or remortgage without you knowing. You can do this online. It means it would show up on any check by a lender or buyer. If he’s PAYE then I’d go CSA route as again that would then show up as outgoings for him in affordability check. Do not be rushed into anything re financials nothing with a court would happen quickly. It does sound like he’s come into some money or got himself a rich new partner he intends to buy a home with. Get yourself sorted financially eg claim any benefits / council tax reduction, close joint accounts, cancel subscriptions, claim CSA. Can you afford to take over the mortgage?

Shells85 · 20/03/2023 13:57

I can't afford the mortgage, I work part time and study , he has agreed in writing to pay the mortgage but I'm aware that could and probably will change.
I am trying to fit everything in and feel really rushed he hasn't even been gone two weeks. I thought I would have a month or two to process and then have to start the ball rolling.

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mostlydrinkstea · 20/03/2023 15:42

I'm afraid he has been planning this for a while and is weeks or months ahead of you. It is horrible because rather than grieving and processing, the spouse who is left is thrown straight into the business mindset of divorce. You probably have a period of time when he is so relieved that he has finally left that he will be reasonable. This will probably not last when the financial reality hits. Prepare for the rewriting of history 'I was unhappy for years' is one of the classics. Also watch for what he blames you for. It is often a sign of what he is up to.

Rosie Green's book How to Heal a Broken Heart tells it like it is.

Shells85 · 20/03/2023 16:02

@Madamecastafiore I do live near the seaside ?

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