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I can't let go. I feel trapped

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xmumoftwox · 08/03/2023 10:45

Hi

I've posted before about my partner. In short we've been together since I was a teenager and I'm not 30. We have 2 young children and we used to be very happy but he's an alcoholic. He doesn't think he is because he doesn't drink from the minute he gets up but he pours himself a vodka and coke as soon as he gets in from work (4pm) and drinks around half a bottle most nights especially at the weekend. I've told him I'm leaving multiple times but never follow through. All he does is sleep and drink. We have no relationship because of this but everything is always my fault. We have no money either because of what he's spending it on and I'm just so unhappy. I had the wheels in motion around 2 months ago to leave but like always I backed out because he gave me the usual sob story and that he'll change but he hasn't.

I know in my heart I'll be happier on my own with my two babies but I'm trapped because there are no houses available for rent in our area and I know council housing lists in our area basically mean you'll be waiting years. I can't afford to stay in our home nor do I want to do he'd have to buy me out.

Thing is I just can't let go. I go round in this endless loop of knowing I want to leave but then he comes home and I tell myself it might get better and maybe it's better for the kids to stay because they obviously love their dad and maybe I'm making something out of nothing. I'm pathetic really aren't I! We never have sex either because I don't want. I have no interest. He then accuses me of cheating..

Has anyone else been in this position? How did you do it? How did you make that final decision? Especially when you've been together over a decade?

I'm scared, I'm sad, I'm so unhappy, I'm so low. I don't know what to do. If it wasn't for my kids keeping me going I don't know if I'd still be here to be honest because my mind just going round in circles over and over.

Any advice would be appreciated but please be kind.

Thank you for taking the time to read this xx

OP posts:
BCBird · 02/04/2023 07:45

Sorry for typos

ALLIS0N · 02/04/2023 07:48

Please go to al Anon.

outwiththeoldinwiththenewish · 02/04/2023 07:53

xmumoftwox · 13/03/2023 20:05

I finally plucked up the courage after finding all the empty vodka bottles outside to take the house. Now that has all fallen through because the landlord won't accept universal credit but I don't earn enough on my own. I can't take more hours because I can't afford childcare. So just when I thought I hit rock bottom...turns out I hadn't quite hit it 😭 feel completely defeated as houses come up once in a blue moon in my area and usually a lot more rent

I found your post very moving. My father was an alcoholic. Vodka too. Sending you strength and support in getting away from him.

Just a question on this, how would your landlord know you were paying UC?

xmumoftwox · 02/04/2023 08:05

I've asked him to stay at his mum's while he gets sorted but he never does. Our house has so much that needs doing to it but it never happens and we can't afford to sort it now either.

I've found out that if we sold our house I wouldn't be able to claim UC as I'd have the equity from the house (meant to be for our children when anything happens to us).

The landlord of the house that fell through needed proof of income and my wage only just covers the rent so she needed to know where the rest would come from.

I'm wiped out feel completely exhausted. I never get any time to myself he won't be up until lunchtime. He never takes the children anywhere and as much as I adore my babies it would be nice to have a couple of hours on my own once in a while.

His parents have said I need to be supportive but I've been supportive for years and no I dont believe this will stick and he'll stop. He's still spending money we dont have when our children need clothes and so do I. I literally have 2 hoodies and few pairs of leggings and that no exaggeration.....

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LiliLil · 02/04/2023 08:08

@outwiththeoldinwiththenewish landlords will ask for proof of income, usually wage slips and bank statements.

OP, I can feel how much you’re struggling through your posts. Please ring Al Anon, they support families if alcoholic too. It feels massive right now, but take a small step every day - the first thing you need is support. Your husband will only change if, and when, he is ready. Nobody can force him. You didn’t cause it, you can’t change it.

You are important too, your feelings matter. Some space away from him will make you see things much more clearly. Call Shelter for advice, register with the council and local housing associations. Keep an eye on Facebook for rentals coming up. Make a plan, however long it takes because you and your children deserve to be happy and free x

LiliLil · 02/04/2023 08:09

of alcoholics*

DustyLee123 · 02/04/2023 08:11

Do you still want to be there in 5/10 years ? If you don’t make the jump you still will be. Force the house sale and move on.
There’s currently a thread about what you were doing 10 years ago. Maybe have a read of that and get inspired.

Rega26 · 02/04/2023 08:21

You could contact Women's aid too. They may have advice on housing. Is there anyone that could be a guarantor for you?

SquishyGloopyBum · 02/04/2023 08:26

xmumoftwox · 02/04/2023 08:05

I've asked him to stay at his mum's while he gets sorted but he never does. Our house has so much that needs doing to it but it never happens and we can't afford to sort it now either.

I've found out that if we sold our house I wouldn't be able to claim UC as I'd have the equity from the house (meant to be for our children when anything happens to us).

The landlord of the house that fell through needed proof of income and my wage only just covers the rent so she needed to know where the rest would come from.

I'm wiped out feel completely exhausted. I never get any time to myself he won't be up until lunchtime. He never takes the children anywhere and as much as I adore my babies it would be nice to have a couple of hours on my own once in a while.

His parents have said I need to be supportive but I've been supportive for years and no I dont believe this will stick and he'll stop. He's still spending money we dont have when our children need clothes and so do I. I literally have 2 hoodies and few pairs of leggings and that no exaggeration.....

Tell his parents the full and frank truth. They can support him by housing him for a bit.

Women's aid and Al Anon are a good idea op.

outwiththeoldinwiththenewish · 02/04/2023 08:39

Apologies op, I misread your post and thought you were already in rented and might be able to get UC without your landlord needing to know.

junebirthdaygirl · 02/04/2023 09:05

He needs to go as you need your home for your dc. Be more forceful with his parents. Tell them every single thing. Don't feel you have to protect him. If it helps this is for his good too. Tell him there is no more drinking in the house because of the dc. If he wants to drink he must go elsewhere. I would focus on keeping your own home. You can do it up in time. I presume your dc go to school nearby and so moving is too disruptive. He has to go to his parents or find a bedsit. Easier said than done l know but l do know a wife who locked her dh out and said you are not coming back until you go to rehab. He did.

xmumoftwox · 02/04/2023 09:27

Thank you all for saying how I feel matters too because I feel like other than my mum and bestfriend everyone else is saying I need to support him he's making a start and he's done the hard part..... HE'S done the hard part. All while I'm over here working part time, taking care of our children, taking care of the house, panicking about having no money and internally screaming 24 hours a day but trying to look fine on the outside for my babies 😭

If it was just me and him I'd have left no question but I hate making even small decisions so just feel completely out of my depth.

I have called Al Anon a couple of times but each time there was an automated message saying how busy they were and to call again another time and I just haven't. I guess I maybe chickened out.

A few people have said women's aid but isn't that just for domestic violence?

My mum suffered at the hands of my "dad" and he was an alcoholic too. Used to leave me to look after my younger sibling while he drank on the sofa while my mum had to work. You never forget. And now I'm in it again and feel suffocated.

I see people looking so in love and I just don't feel that anymore. I can't even kiss him because I feel so much hurt inside

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Netcam · 02/04/2023 10:07

My life was kind of like that when I was pregnant and then when I had a newborn and a toddler. Ex didn't drink quite so much and hid bottles of spirits from me thinking I wouldn't like him drinking that much. He was unpleasant, verbally abusive and provocative as a result of the drinking, which I was initially unaware of. Then one day I caught him drinking spirits from a bottle and the truth came out.

At first I gave him an ultimatum, either he goes to alcohol counselling and stops drinking or we separate.

We were struggling financially as I had given up my job to look after the kids, I was finding it hard to budget and we often had no money left before the end of the month.

But once I discovered his secret drinking, I found out all his trips to buy bits and pieces during the week included regular bottles of spirits I didn't know about.

In addition, he was taking cash to pay a counsellor who he'd agreed to see after he had been aggressive to me during my 2nd pregnancy and I'd insisted he sort himself out or I would leave. When I discovered the secret drinking, he also admitted to me he hadn't continued the counselling and had pretended to go each week and spent the money on alcohol instead.

I was in a desperate situation with a newborn and a toddler, getting little sleep, trying to cope and provide for them. On top of that I had to deal with his angry outbusts and provocative behaviour, which often ended up with me trying to escape by barracading myself and the kids in the bedroom with furniture against the door until he calmed down.

Once I even had to call an ambulance as he collapsed and banged his head and started behaving really strangely and they arrived and took him to hospital and admitted him overnight. I thought something was seriously wrong and followed him to hospital in the car with the kids. At A&E they said he was being verbally abusive to the staff asked me if he was drunk and I told them he didn't drink, which I believed. He hid his drinking so well they didn't even see the truth. The next day he got the bus home but never admitted he had been drinking, which was obviously the case looking back.

He did go to alcohol counselling, or rather he told me he did, I'll never know if he kept it up the whole time. But he never apologised to me for any of it and never openly admitted he had a problem. If he had drunk or been abusive to me it was always my fault, I had annoyed him in some way to cause it. It was impossible to discuss with him and he was unable to consider that he might have a problem or that the issue was anything to do with him.

There was a huge issue of trust that had been broken with him spending the counselling money we already couldn't afford on alcohol for a period of many months. I felt betrayed, like I had been deceived and that it was going to be impossible to resolve this with him. I couldn't move forward if we were unable to discuss it openly and he could take no responsibility for his actions.

We owned a joint house with a mortgage and in the end I was so unhappy I said I wanted to move somewhere cheaper with a smaller mortgage that I could afford to live in on my own if we split up. Surprisingly he agreed. I had counselling trying to figure out what to do while we sold the house and found a much cheaper one. Through my counselling I realised I had to make that break at the time of the move so I ended up moving into the house with the kids on my own and he had to find somewhere to rent.

In the end we divorced and sorted out finances, split assets and he bought a house himself as he had a good salary and a professional job.

The kids went there regularly. After several years of me thinking he had stopped drinking he got really drunk when the kids were there on a number of occasions and I had to collect them. I ended up having to go to the family court about it. It became evident that he had never really stopped drinking, the kids just hadn't realised as they were young, or maybe he hadn't got really drunk in front of them until then. I'll never really know.

A few times after going to court he got drunk again with the kids there and they started refusing to go to his house as they were getting older. I think he realised he would lose them if this continued and the kids said it seemed to stop and he didn't seem to get drunk when they were there anymore. Or maybe he drank after they went to bed, I will never know.

DS1 is now 18 and enjoys a small glass of wine or a beer with me and my (new) husband at the weekend. I didn't want him to be scared of alcohol especially as he is going to uni soon. DH and I drink a small amount, a glass of wine with dinner at weekends, DS1 likes joining in.

He says his dad and his partner have wine sometimes but he never joins in. He says he feels uncomfortable about it as his dad has never talked to him about it, even though after the family court involvement he made it clear he wanted his dad to discuss it with him. So it feels unresolved for him and he feels he doesn't want to even have a glass of wine with him.

My ex has never forgiven me for leaving him, preventing him from moving to the new, smaller house with me and the kids when I decided to finally separate. He has tried to continually punish me for taking 50% of the joint assets in the divorce, since he considered my time not working bringing up the kids not equal in terms of contribution as his paid job.

After years of abusive phone calls and emails from him over the years, I made the decision when DS2 was 16 and DS1 was 18 to end all but essential communication with him, which is pretty much no communication since the teens are old enough to organise anything they need to with him directly.

I am just glad I got out and am now married to someone I love and who loves me in a relationship with trust and mutual respect.

I think you are brave to share your story here. I didn't tell anyone for ages because I was ashamed. I didn't even tell my parents until we were actually separating when I was about to move into the new house with the kids on my own. I wanted to share my story in case it might help others.

xmumoftwox · 02/04/2023 16:00

You are the brave one for sharing your story. You are so brave for managing to get out of that awful situation. It's lovely to hear that you are now in a new relationship. I can't quite imagine that at the moment. I just want to feel joy again. My children obviously bring me joy but when they go to bed I feel that sadness all over again of the life I thought I would have. The fairytale ending that hasn't turned out that way. I'm finding it so hard to break the cycle which when I looked at other people in bad relationships I'd think to myself why don't you just leave but now I know it's the logistics of it all. I can't just leave as I have no where to go. I'm looking online everyday for somewhere but nothing comes up. He doesn't do much for the kids at all but I know if I left him and his family would make my life a living hell and I know the kids wouldn't want to leave me (that's not me being big headed they just spend the majority of their time with me)

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Netcam · 02/04/2023 16:20

@xmumoftwox, it doesn't matter what his family think. My ex's family have not spoken to me or contacted me since the day I left. My family have maintained contact with my ex for the sake of the children, even though they know everything and realise all the problems he has. They even tried to be available for him to talk to confidentially about his drinking problems after he had got drunk when the children were with him. That says more to me about our families than anything else. Try and think of a way you can get out of this, there must be one. Is it possible to sell the house and move to a cheaper house in a cheaper area as I did?

Godlovesall26 · 02/04/2023 16:36

xmumoftwox · 02/04/2023 07:30

UPDATE

So I still haven't been able to find anywhere to live so still under the same roof. He has reached out to one of the services for help and has had one session of counselling but Friday he had an entire 70cl of vodka and the yesterday he bought another one and has about a quarter of it left. His parents have praised him and said he's done the hard bit and I'm just sitting there like you have no clue what I'm going through right now.

I do have support around me yet I feel completely alone. I feel sad, angry, scared of the future. I can't shake this feeling of frustration and resentment towards him and I don't love him the same but I can't make the decision to end it because I'm scared it will be the wrong choice and I'll mess up everyone's lives.

I don't know what to do and I know no one can really help me so I'm not sure of the point of this post but I just needed to get it written down out of my head.

Well can he live with his parents for a while ? If they are so proud of him (statistically there is a possibility that it’s a good sign he’s taken the first step, but as you will have seen, even if he does go through with it, it won’t change overnight). Call a separation if it puts your mind more at ease ? But he can’t live with your children until things have actually at least started changing.
I would call his IL and say he stays with them for min 6 months then you reevaluate. A bottle of vodka with young children in the house is non négociable.

Godlovesall26 · 02/04/2023 16:47

Godlovesall26 · 02/04/2023 16:36

Well can he live with his parents for a while ? If they are so proud of him (statistically there is a possibility that it’s a good sign he’s taken the first step, but as you will have seen, even if he does go through with it, it won’t change overnight). Call a separation if it puts your mind more at ease ? But he can’t live with your children until things have actually at least started changing.
I would call his IL and say he stays with them for min 6 months then you reevaluate. A bottle of vodka with young children in the house is non négociable.

Sorry I somehow missed a page where you say his parents don’t seem to be an option.
Just to check, is he refusing or are they ? I’d find it hard to believe given what you’ve said about their relationship that they’re the kind to say no.

You just need to be strong on this part, as you have been for all else :

  1. send them a diary of what your typical week looks like : I’d imagine the same, comes home and gets drunk
  2. Show them your bank statements highlighting the alcohol if you can, or just multiply whichever amount a day by 7 really
  3. Show them your overdraft
  4. Show them how much you can’t afford life anymore
  5. Write everything detrimental done to your children while he was drunk

(just a suggestion, and when I say show them I’d maybe actually keep the actual official papers at a minimum, just in case you separate they’d probably be on his side, PP will know more about this aspect I’d imagine)

RandomMess · 02/04/2023 17:08

It's clear to others that you are financially abused by your partner and emotionally abused by his family and possibly him.

Please speak to woman's aid. Also rights of women, they can advise on the thresholds of getting an occupation order for the house so he has to move out

Flowers
MissMaple82 · 02/04/2023 18:39

At the minute you're prioritising him and not your children. Your children deserve to live in a household free from alcohol abuse amd everything that comes with that. Put your children first and accept the private house. He is responsible for his own life.

ALLIS0N · 02/04/2023 19:57

I would respectfully disagree with @Godlovesall26 . I don’t think you should ry to prove your case to his parents, because they are always going to take his side. And you will just feel worse if they dismiss you.

I understand your dilemma with private rented right now, most landlords won’t take you if the rent is more than 30% of your income. Of course they need you to be able to pay the rent.

So you need to get advice from various agencies, such as women’s aid, al Amon, local housing charity etc . They will know all the options in terms of benefits you might be entitled to, childcare support so you can go full time, applying for a housing association property, affordable housing etc .

You need to focus 100% of your efforts on making a plan to get you and your kids away from him . Let him worry about fixing his own drinking.

Netcam · 02/04/2023 20:01

A few thoughts here (and virtual hugs).

His family might or might not be helpful depending on what they are like. I told my ex's family when I found out about his secret drinking in a long email explaining everything. I received a reply from them saying they would talk to him and that was it. They then just acted as if none of it had ever happened.

Is the house in joint names? Is there enough equity for a deposit for you to buy something else? Could you suggest to him that your current life is too expensive and whether you stay together or apart, living in a cheaper house that doesn't need loads of work would be better for everyone, including the children.

It would mean if you work things out and stay together there is less financial pressure. If you don't, at least you could afford to manage on your own with the children.

I would be proactive and try and initiate a joint house move, selling this one and buying something different. Then it will be up to him to stop drinking. If he does and completely sorts himself out by the time you move, you might consider the possibility of trying to work things out. If he doesn't, move on your own with the kids, at least the children will be OK and have a stable, affordable household.

You might need to compromise a lot and accept less space and not such a good location, but it will be worth it in the long run.

Even if you wouldn't get a mortgage on your own with your part time job, you might be more likely to be able to transfer it to your name if you have been living in a house without him and demonstrating you can pay the mortgage. You will also get universal credit if you do this as the house equity will have gone into a new house, which is acceptable to them.

xmumoftwox · 09/05/2023 13:53

Update for anyone that's interested in my dramas 🙈

Our house is on the market and he's been staying on and off at his parents house because the arguing and just general feeling in the house was so bad. All issues still ongoing....

Since we've been apart we are getting on better for the kids and he's making me feel guilty like because we are ok at the moment that means we should stay together. I know as soon as I let my guard down I'll be back to square one again. Am I doing the right thing in leaving? It's taking every ounce of courage I have x

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RandomMess · 09/05/2023 13:54

Yes you are doing the right thing. He's on his best behaviour to try and get his maid back nothing more.

Bonbon21 · 09/05/2023 14:03

Stay strong... for you and your kids.
It is better for now cos he isn't around so much.. if you got back together you would very quickly find that nothing has changed.
Get the money out of the house sale and start afresh with the kids. Do not for one minute think that this relationship is recoverable.
And tell his family to bugger off... this is none of their business... and they can be supportive to him.. all day and every day.
The kids will be happier cos their Mum will be.
Promise!

Theeaglesoared · 09/05/2023 14:09

Yes you absolutely are doing the right thing. Look ahead - your life will be so much better soon. Wishing you lots of luck (and strength!)