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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:27

Please help. I need strength and support because I don't know if I can keep going right now.

Some might remember my previous thread, where I was going into refuge after years of emotional abuse and verbal abuse, especially towards my older children.

We've been here nearly 4 months now and of course it's been massive rollercoaster of emotions. He spent hours begging me to come back when I first got here, and when I didn't, he hired a solicitor and started asking for mediation, which I turned down.

He kept emailing me so I got a non molestation order. Then he applied to court for a child arrangement order and a prohibited steps order, to stop me leaving the local area. I was expecting (although terrified) him to apply for the CAO, but I was distraught about the Prohibited Steps. I had planned to move a couple of hours away and start afresh - not block contact with the children. My solicitor told me to not move away, so I stayed put.

CAFCASS have been involved and have been pretty useless tbh - all he's had to do is utter the words "parental alienation" and they're all over that like a fly on shit.

So things have been ticking along. First court hearing is this month. I have good days and bad days, but overall I felt much more confident and outgoing, and started doing things like going to the gym and getting my nails done again. The children have been overall much happier and more relaxed.

About a month ago, I got an email notifying me that my ex had applied for divorce. I knew it was yet another way for him to gain control, and I immediately agreed with the divorce, but it still stressed me the fuck out because I'm going to run out of money at some point and I still have to start again with six children. Anyway.

10 days ago, a random new solicitor that he must have hired emailed me stating that they had taken new instructions from him. Basically he wants to stop the divorce, save his marriage and reconcile, because he doesn't want to lose his family.

It has absolutely messed with my head. I know deep down he's just playing games again. I don't doubt that he misses the youngest children (his), but I think he misses knowing exactly where I am and what I'm doing more. Apparently he'd written a really long letter to me but the solicitor isn't allowed to send it due to the non molestation order.

To make matters worse, after four months in refuge, I'm desperate for a place to call home. With so many children and a shortage of housing, it's proving very difficult. However, we're now 2nd bid for a property within the local authority (that ex also lives in, in the marital home). The house in question is about 45 minutes from ex.

I mentioned it to my solicitor yesterday, and she said her legal advice was not to accept any property and not to move. I told her that the council I've applied to is the SAME one he lives in. She replied 'Well he's applied for this prohibited steps order, and we don't know how far away he means. He might want you all a mile away. Alternatively we can ask Dad for his consent for you to accept this or any other house'.

I spent about an hour crying after that. How the fuck can that be right? To put that control in a controlling man's hands?! He wants me either in refuge (where he thinks I can't meet anyone else) or back home with him. And if I turn down his offer of reconciliation, I will be heavily punished.

I feel so depressed, so stuck, and I've never felt so controlled by him in all our years together.

Please someone help :(

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category12 · 04/03/2023 09:50

You can file for divorce yourself. Surely it makes more sense to push the divorce through and sort out the division of assets? Then you'll have more options financially and practically (if the family home is owned then forcing a sale or him having to buy you out)?

Nimbostratus100 · 04/03/2023 09:52

I know nothing of any help , just sending you lots of love and strength xx

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:55

He's already filed, and I don't care about all that tbh. Just everything else :(

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:56

Also it doesn't make more sense to rush it along, because it's going to cost me a fortune! And I've still got to pay for representation for all the children arrangements

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Zanatdy · 04/03/2023 09:57

Has the prohibited steps order gone through? I’d just take the property. It’s impossible when you’re in an refuge to get a place to call your own so you can’t afford to turn things down. Worth asking the housing officers what happens if you do turn it down. Keep positive, you’re doing so well. Soon he will be out of your life for good (apart from him seeing the children at some point I assume

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:59

Zanatdy · 04/03/2023 09:57

Has the prohibited steps order gone through? I’d just take the property. It’s impossible when you’re in an refuge to get a place to call your own so you can’t afford to turn things down. Worth asking the housing officers what happens if you do turn it down. Keep positive, you’re doing so well. Soon he will be out of your life for good (apart from him seeing the children at some point I assume

It hasn't gone through but it's being heard at the end of the month. I was all set to take the property (if we're offered it obviously) until my solicitor told me not to. What the hell am I supposed to do?! I can't live like this. I'd honestly rather end things than continue to be at his whim

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Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 10:02

I am appalled at her advice.

It does not sound right at all.

Can the refuge help to confirm whether this is true?

I applaud you it cannot be easy what you have done. You know he is truly toxic and dysfunctional and your children have reacted the way those usually do who are no longer walking in egg shells and living in fear.

Well done, keep going. It will be worth it in the end.

NoSquirrels · 04/03/2023 10:02

Is your solicitor experienced with domestic violence and coercive control?

Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 10:03

Also consider posting on the legal section on here as there are some lawyers about

Zanatdy · 04/03/2023 10:03

I think it’s ridiculous advice as it’s not gone through and you’re not exactly just buying a house and can be picky. Ask housing what happens if you refuse & mention solicitors advice. I’d seriously take it though if it meets your needs. 45 mins is not that far to travel

category12 · 04/03/2023 10:04

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:55

He's already filed, and I don't care about all that tbh. Just everything else :(

No, but wouldn't divorce finalise the financial and housing situation? And access etc would likely be decided.

Plus maybe he'd give up a bit if you were no longer his wife (property in his eyes)?

I wouldn't leave it in his hands, as he's now going back on it and saying he wants to reconcile, so it's just an extra weapon for him to confuse things.

If you file for divorce on your own account, you have more control over it at least.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:07

Honestly, it's insane advice. There are hardly any 4 bed properties and the council won't even house me in the same village as my ex because I've fled abuse. The irony! 45 minutes is fuck all. He drives lorries hundreds of miles a day for God's sake.

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:08

NoSquirrels · 04/03/2023 10:02

Is your solicitor experienced with domestic violence and coercive control?

I honestly don't think she is... But I picked this firm because they work for women in my situation and charge less than high street firms. So I thought she'd be clued up!

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:09

Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 10:02

I am appalled at her advice.

It does not sound right at all.

Can the refuge help to confirm whether this is true?

I applaud you it cannot be easy what you have done. You know he is truly toxic and dysfunctional and your children have reacted the way those usually do who are no longer walking in egg shells and living in fear.

Well done, keep going. It will be worth it in the end.

Honestly... I am so close to just going back. I don't want to go back. But I don't know how much more of this shit I can take. The refuge staff seem shocked but don't really know much about it, although my own support worker is on holiday until Monday

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FishandChipsarelife · 04/03/2023 10:10

I'm not a solicitor but I just cannot understand the comment 'he might want you all a mile away'. Is that a thing, that he can dictate where she lives? I would try to get another opinion if you can afford it.

LA houses that are the size you will need are rare, you should be able to accept it if it's offered. You shouldn't have to continue living in a refuge.

NoSquirrels · 04/03/2023 10:11

I think you take the house if it’s offered. Flowers

category12 · 04/03/2023 10:11

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:07

Honestly, it's insane advice. There are hardly any 4 bed properties and the council won't even house me in the same village as my ex because I've fled abuse. The irony! 45 minutes is fuck all. He drives lorries hundreds of miles a day for God's sake.

Get a second opinion. Maybe try the Rights of Women?

If the order isn't in place yet, I think you should take the property right now, tbh.

greenfingers39 · 04/03/2023 10:18

You've done the really hard bit, 4 months in a refuge with 6 kids is no mean feat, you are an absolute warrior!!! Take that house, it'll be much harder for him to get you back out it than it would be for him to stop you taking it. I can't see any court uprooting 6 kids who have been through all this. Don't lose sight of how far you've come...take that house and hold on tight a bit longer!!! You're amazing!

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:20

FishandChipsarelife · 04/03/2023 10:10

I'm not a solicitor but I just cannot understand the comment 'he might want you all a mile away'. Is that a thing, that he can dictate where she lives? I would try to get another opinion if you can afford it.

LA houses that are the size you will need are rare, you should be able to accept it if it's offered. You shouldn't have to continue living in a refuge.

I don't understand it either. When I questioned this, she said "It's not about YOU relocating, it's the children". Well he doesn't fucking want them full time! He's even written in his court application that because of his job he couldn't have them overnight in the week! Surprised he's mentioned overnights tbh, as I was thinking contact centre initially! He was 100 times more angry and aggressive at night, and that was with me there to support him.

The refuge is okay but the fact is that he is chilling on his own in a big 5/6 bedroom house in a village with the kids' friends and their school (he doesn't have friends and family there). We are squashed into a two bedroom flat with four washing machines between the whole refuge and nowhere to park my car so I have to constantly move it. The most lovely lady moved in yesterday but she had just been attacked with a hammer and her injuries were awful, bless her. The kids looked so scared at first.

But he doesn't care about any of that. He just doesn't want me in a place where I can meet another man.

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Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:21

Take the house, get a new solicitor. As the case hasn't yet been heard in court, then there really isn't any reason not to. Your solicitors advice is just that, advice and it may not be the correct advice, at the very least get a second opinion from an online solicitors forum. They often answer a few questions for free, or give you half an hour etc..

It's a horrible position to be in, but you need to be in a space of your own where you can process mentally to get the best outcome for your children. They will not benefit from going back nor will they benefit from staying where you are.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:22

greenfingers39 · 04/03/2023 10:18

You've done the really hard bit, 4 months in a refuge with 6 kids is no mean feat, you are an absolute warrior!!! Take that house, it'll be much harder for him to get you back out it than it would be for him to stop you taking it. I can't see any court uprooting 6 kids who have been through all this. Don't lose sight of how far you've come...take that house and hold on tight a bit longer!!! You're amazing!

Oh thank you 🥺 we haven't been offered it, and it has an adapted bathroom so if a disabled family bid for it then they will get it, but I'm amazed that we're second in place. We were 25th on the last one that came up a couple of months ago!

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Redebs · 04/03/2023 10:24

greenfingers39 · 04/03/2023 10:18

You've done the really hard bit, 4 months in a refuge with 6 kids is no mean feat, you are an absolute warrior!!! Take that house, it'll be much harder for him to get you back out it than it would be for him to stop you taking it. I can't see any court uprooting 6 kids who have been through all this. Don't lose sight of how far you've come...take that house and hold on tight a bit longer!!! You're amazing!

This
Greatest respect to you OP for getting out. Take the house if offered. Sounds like a perfect distance to be far enough away that you're not going to run into him accidentally.
You need somewhere to make your home. Wishing you a safe and happy future with your children.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:24

Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:21

Take the house, get a new solicitor. As the case hasn't yet been heard in court, then there really isn't any reason not to. Your solicitors advice is just that, advice and it may not be the correct advice, at the very least get a second opinion from an online solicitors forum. They often answer a few questions for free, or give you half an hour etc..

It's a horrible position to be in, but you need to be in a space of your own where you can process mentally to get the best outcome for your children. They will not benefit from going back nor will they benefit from staying where you are.

Is it that easy just to get a new solicitor?? I will actually have to at some point because this one doesn't do legal aid and when I inevitably run out of savings then I can claim legal aid. But how do I go about moving? And these ones are so much cheaper 😢

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:25

Redebs · 04/03/2023 10:24

This
Greatest respect to you OP for getting out. Take the house if offered. Sounds like a perfect distance to be far enough away that you're not going to run into him accidentally.
You need somewhere to make your home. Wishing you a safe and happy future with your children.

That's why I wanted to move away. I don't want to be bumping into him etc 😔

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America12 · 04/03/2023 10:27

Take the house.
Can you find a solicitor who does legal
aid ?
Good luck.