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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 09:27

Please help. I need strength and support because I don't know if I can keep going right now.

Some might remember my previous thread, where I was going into refuge after years of emotional abuse and verbal abuse, especially towards my older children.

We've been here nearly 4 months now and of course it's been massive rollercoaster of emotions. He spent hours begging me to come back when I first got here, and when I didn't, he hired a solicitor and started asking for mediation, which I turned down.

He kept emailing me so I got a non molestation order. Then he applied to court for a child arrangement order and a prohibited steps order, to stop me leaving the local area. I was expecting (although terrified) him to apply for the CAO, but I was distraught about the Prohibited Steps. I had planned to move a couple of hours away and start afresh - not block contact with the children. My solicitor told me to not move away, so I stayed put.

CAFCASS have been involved and have been pretty useless tbh - all he's had to do is utter the words "parental alienation" and they're all over that like a fly on shit.

So things have been ticking along. First court hearing is this month. I have good days and bad days, but overall I felt much more confident and outgoing, and started doing things like going to the gym and getting my nails done again. The children have been overall much happier and more relaxed.

About a month ago, I got an email notifying me that my ex had applied for divorce. I knew it was yet another way for him to gain control, and I immediately agreed with the divorce, but it still stressed me the fuck out because I'm going to run out of money at some point and I still have to start again with six children. Anyway.

10 days ago, a random new solicitor that he must have hired emailed me stating that they had taken new instructions from him. Basically he wants to stop the divorce, save his marriage and reconcile, because he doesn't want to lose his family.

It has absolutely messed with my head. I know deep down he's just playing games again. I don't doubt that he misses the youngest children (his), but I think he misses knowing exactly where I am and what I'm doing more. Apparently he'd written a really long letter to me but the solicitor isn't allowed to send it due to the non molestation order.

To make matters worse, after four months in refuge, I'm desperate for a place to call home. With so many children and a shortage of housing, it's proving very difficult. However, we're now 2nd bid for a property within the local authority (that ex also lives in, in the marital home). The house in question is about 45 minutes from ex.

I mentioned it to my solicitor yesterday, and she said her legal advice was not to accept any property and not to move. I told her that the council I've applied to is the SAME one he lives in. She replied 'Well he's applied for this prohibited steps order, and we don't know how far away he means. He might want you all a mile away. Alternatively we can ask Dad for his consent for you to accept this or any other house'.

I spent about an hour crying after that. How the fuck can that be right? To put that control in a controlling man's hands?! He wants me either in refuge (where he thinks I can't meet anyone else) or back home with him. And if I turn down his offer of reconciliation, I will be heavily punished.

I feel so depressed, so stuck, and I've never felt so controlled by him in all our years together.

Please someone help :(

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Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:31

Try Duncan Lewis Solicitors.
Or just a random google search for what your looking for should help some. But yea you can change solicitor as you see fit.

Your doing amazing so far. The hardest step was leaving, now you have to take each day at a time and build the forward momentum.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:31

America12 · 04/03/2023 10:27

Take the house.
Can you find a solicitor who does legal
aid ?
Good luck.

I won't get legal aid until I've halved my savings. It's been an absolute curse this bloody escape fund!

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Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:32

Can you utilise the savings to move? And get legal aid faster?

Suetcrust · 04/03/2023 10:32

Take the house! As someone else has said, who would want you and kids to move out after you’ve moved in??
Try to think of one step at a time.
Of course you can change solicitors. Just do it when you find a better one. Ask around.
You are a WARRIOR! You are doing well. Don’t panic. This will eventually all be over & calmer waters if you keep your resolve with be your reward. Stay true to what you and the kids need.
Don’t look back. ❤️

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:34

A point to remember is the more hold ups and delays for a solicitor... the more money she will make. I'd take the house.
Mind you I'd have moved two hours way. The order hasn't gone through and you have a valid case to move given he is so abusive you've found yourself in a refuge. What the courts going to say? Up root the kids and move back or dad must collect them.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:36

Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:31

Try Duncan Lewis Solicitors.
Or just a random google search for what your looking for should help some. But yea you can change solicitor as you see fit.

Your doing amazing so far. The hardest step was leaving, now you have to take each day at a time and build the forward momentum.

Are Duncan Lewis solicitors good?
Do I not need a local firm?

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:37

Phoenix9 · 04/03/2023 10:32

Can you utilise the savings to move? And get legal aid faster?

I tried. Went from 12k to 6k and thought I could get legal aid. Turns out I need less than 3k. Gutted

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:38

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:34

A point to remember is the more hold ups and delays for a solicitor... the more money she will make. I'd take the house.
Mind you I'd have moved two hours way. The order hasn't gone through and you have a valid case to move given he is so abusive you've found yourself in a refuge. What the courts going to say? Up root the kids and move back or dad must collect them.

Yes, the solicitor told me that the judge could order the children back and give them to him.

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amiold · 04/03/2023 10:40

@Toomuchwine89 they could bust very unlikely. He hasn't even applied for access has he? That's a long time off.. needs to go to family courts, involve cafcass, do section 7s, potentially finding of fact.
She is talking worse case scenarios and scaring you without need.

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:43

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:40

@Toomuchwine89 they could bust very unlikely. He hasn't even applied for access has he? That's a long time off.. needs to go to family courts, involve cafcass, do section 7s, potentially finding of fact.
She is talking worse case scenarios and scaring you without need.

He has applied for access unfortunately

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:43

CAFCASS have been awful.

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amiold · 04/03/2023 10:44

Oh has he, sorry I missed that.

I honestly wouldn't be too worried.

If you want your home with the kids I think 45 mins is reasonable distance

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:45

Why what's happened with cafcass

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 10:51

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:45

Why what's happened with cafcass

They've classed his abuse as arguments between us. Apparently I was abusive as well and stopped him socialising?! (but yet he wants to get back together).

He admitted to them that he shouted a lot at me and the children, but they apparently can't be sure that my 3 year old says "Daddy shouts" because of what she has seen and heard, or because I'm telling her to say that...

It's fucking horrendous.

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amiold · 04/03/2023 10:52

Hang in there. You'll get to provide your evidence in court. What he's lied about will show

Emmamoo89 · 04/03/2023 10:54

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Sending love and hugs ❤

Morasssassafras · 04/03/2023 11:07

Speak to the refuge staff about it. They've been here before.
Go and speak to the council/housing association about it. I found them really helpful (some of the time) and they will know much more about the local housing position than your solicitor. Even if the order eventually says you have to move nearer it may be better for you in the short term to be out of temporary housing. Does your solicitor think you may get the house in the divorce? That's the only reason I can see that would make being in not temporary housing a better choice.
And get a new solicitor. One that takes legal aid, even if that means you pay slightly more per hour. You don't need to use a local one, I didn't. Everything was done by phone, email and post. I kept contact with my solicitor to an absolute minimum to keep costs down. Very short and to the point communication*. Also get one who has experience in domestic abuse.
I actually used a solicitor local to him and gave a 'care of' address local to him so in the event something went wrong and he saw some of the paperwork to/from me it wouldn't give him a clue where I was. I never had to see them in person for anything.

  • the one detailing his unreasonable behaviour was 10 pages long tbh. Told my solicitor to take her pick from this list, as we needed ones which were unreasonable enough to count, but not enough to set him off.
JanglyBeads · 04/03/2023 11:07

How can a prohibited steps order not specify what's meant by "local"? Very poor drafting.

Have you asked what you could legitimately spend your £3K on in order to then qualify for legal aid?

Have you tried the Rights of Women Helpline, they're brilliant. Look at their website, loads of legal advice there.

Have the kids had to move schools? Are schools supportive of you?

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 11:09

amiold · 04/03/2023 10:52

Hang in there. You'll get to provide your evidence in court. What he's lied about will show

I literally have videos of him screaming vile abuse at an 11 year old girl. But CAFCASS didn't really seem bothered about the non bio children...

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 11:10

Emmamoo89 · 04/03/2023 10:54

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Sending love and hugs ❤

Thank you lovely ❤️

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Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 11:22

Please please don’t go back to him. What a vile man to see you living as you are with the children.

I absolutely hate him and I don’t know him.

why don’t you open a children’s savings account and put the money in there?

you can open the accounts online these days

it is ok to do this

Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 11:23

And as the wording is ‘local’ you take that property if it is offered as I highly doubt a judge would make you and the kids move out

Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 11:32

Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 11:23

And as the wording is ‘local’ you take that property if it is offered as I highly doubt a judge would make you and the kids move out

Thank you

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 11:34

Quitelikeit · 04/03/2023 11:22

Please please don’t go back to him. What a vile man to see you living as you are with the children.

I absolutely hate him and I don’t know him.

why don’t you open a children’s savings account and put the money in there?

you can open the accounts online these days

it is ok to do this

I hate him too 😔

I can only do the children's savings thing if it's an account that can't be accessed until they're 18

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Toomuchwine89 · 04/03/2023 11:37

Morasssassafras · 04/03/2023 11:07

Speak to the refuge staff about it. They've been here before.
Go and speak to the council/housing association about it. I found them really helpful (some of the time) and they will know much more about the local housing position than your solicitor. Even if the order eventually says you have to move nearer it may be better for you in the short term to be out of temporary housing. Does your solicitor think you may get the house in the divorce? That's the only reason I can see that would make being in not temporary housing a better choice.
And get a new solicitor. One that takes legal aid, even if that means you pay slightly more per hour. You don't need to use a local one, I didn't. Everything was done by phone, email and post. I kept contact with my solicitor to an absolute minimum to keep costs down. Very short and to the point communication*. Also get one who has experience in domestic abuse.
I actually used a solicitor local to him and gave a 'care of' address local to him so in the event something went wrong and he saw some of the paperwork to/from me it wouldn't give him a clue where I was. I never had to see them in person for anything.

  • the one detailing his unreasonable behaviour was 10 pages long tbh. Told my solicitor to take her pick from this list, as we needed ones which were unreasonable enough to count, but not enough to set him off.

Thank you. What about the barrister though? Surely they'd need to be local?

I'm very tempted to change solicitors now.

I won't get the house because I don't have a job

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