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Manipulative behaviour after DDay

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Sophiae778 · 22/02/2023 13:08

DH had an affair, blamed it entirely on me. I was blindsided and shocked for me and our three children which made me take him back, completely on his terms. I wasn’t allowed to discuss it, he wouldn’t change jobs yet it had been with a colleague, he wouldn’t take my calls at work. He said he found me unattractive so I had to lose weight and start to watch the shows he had talked about with the OW. I had to focus less on our children, he said he probably wouldn’t have had the affair if I hadn’t been such a good mum and involved with but the children. All
of this is shocking but the one thing I cannot get past in therapy is how he used me for sex after DDay, he encouraged me to try lots of new things completely of his choosing and because I was literally beside myself with grief, I did and now that I’ve had a second DDay, I feel just so doubly betrayed. He was fanatical about sex even coercing me into making out with him in the bathroom during the day whilst our children were watching tv. I’m so ashamed to admit this but at the time I wasn’t thinking straight. Children were oblivious to the above but I still feel so used and betrayed by my husband and I cannot see any worth in me. Ten years ago, I was a different person. Strong, independent, brave and now I’m just pathetic.
Husband has left to be with married OW and her three children.

OP posts:
Pinkbonbon · 22/02/2023 13:20

Does married woman's husband know yet?

He's a scumball pure and simple. He cheated and then took advantage of you when you were still vulnerable.

Here's the thing though. At some point in the next few years, when you are happy in yourself again...maybe got a new hairstyle or a new love interest...he'll come siffing around again and you'll get to slam the door in his face. Only a matter of time. Because his type still see you as their toy, just their toy that they happen to have put down...for the moment. Won't he get a surprise when he shows up and thinks he can just pick you right back up again! Imagine the look when you laugh in his sad little face and tell him you'd rather eat glass xD

Infact, he may try to come back soon. As he learns the grass isn't greener with Mrs 3 children and a husband. Honestly though, I hope he doesn't. Why? Because it'll help you to have time to grieve the relationship and get over him. That way when he does try to come back, you'll easily tell him to jog on.

Sorry that its hard right now op. But in time you'll see you've lucked out with him gone. Once you feel a bit better, start making more time for you. Do things you'd always enjoyed or wanted to. Maybe take a holiday. Focus on being kind to yourself and rekindling your self love. Become strong again. The day will come when he may try to come back and take advantage again. But this time, you'll be ready.

Pinkbonbon · 22/02/2023 13:24

Ps: he's counting on you sitting about, pining after him like he's some sort of lost prize. His ego needs that. So take it from him. Go out with friends, have a party, dance, sing, shop, travel, live. After a few days of ice cream and netflix of course xD

And block him on everything bar one method of contact, ideally email. Only reply to things about childcare arrangements. Dont be drawn into any bs.

Eastereggsboxedupready · 22/02/2023 13:26

Cms and a SHL immediately.. Do your dc know the truth?

Sophiae778 · 22/02/2023 13:27

Thanks so much for your advice and support, Pinkbonbon.

OW’s husband knows and their young children are now being introduced to my husband.

OP posts:
Sophiae778 · 22/02/2023 13:28

My children are still young so no - they don’t know the details - just that he has moved out.
He started the affair when our youngest was three and she’s now five 😔

OP posts:
cocksstrideintheevening · 22/02/2023 13:31

I can buy myself flowers, write my name in the sand....

What a cock he is

Pinkbonbon · 22/02/2023 13:44

How many kids have you got? I'm sure the other woman didn't sign up for another 3. He was supposed to be the new, exciting adventure away from family life. When she's doing dishes and washing for 6 kids every other weekend, the shine will wash off him pretty fast.

Ps: it might seem hard the thought of parting with the little ones for a few days here and there right now. But you'll actually be thankful of the space further down the line.

And trust me with 4 or more young kids...they want be playing happy families xD

Pinkbonbon · 22/02/2023 13:44

*won't be

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 22/02/2023 13:51

He's a cunt, OP.

It hurts now, but give it time and you'll see he's a cunt.

cleanbreak2022 · 22/02/2023 13:59

I'm sick of these arse holes treating their families with such contempt!

Many posters here have walked this path, they survived and you will too. We know the gut wrenching pain you are going through. We know that knot in your stomach and the physical pain in your chest. We lived the stress and worries you will go through. Key to all of this is we lived, we survived and we thrived.
We know you can to.

For now, you need to wallow for a bit, cry and feel those wounds. Then the healing starts. It's a long road but it comes about quicker than you realise. You will think there's no progress, but there is. It's there. Hold on to your babies, and love them. They will get you through.

After a few weeks of heartbreak. The anger will come. You will be ok

Justmeandthedog1 · 22/02/2023 14:01

Pinkbonbon · 22/02/2023 13:24

Ps: he's counting on you sitting about, pining after him like he's some sort of lost prize. His ego needs that. So take it from him. Go out with friends, have a party, dance, sing, shop, travel, live. After a few days of ice cream and netflix of course xD

And block him on everything bar one method of contact, ideally email. Only reply to things about childcare arrangements. Dont be drawn into any bs.

This is the best advice.
Have your hair , nails done. Look happy. Smile. This will piss him off no end.
He sounds disgusting, you’re well rid.

Anoisagusaris · 22/02/2023 14:02

What does DDay mean?

MaydinEssex · 22/02/2023 14:16

OP what does dday stand for please?

Thewookiemustgo · 22/02/2023 14:34

@Sophiae778 I’m so sorry you have suffered so much. Truly.
The first thing you need to do is understand and accept that you are in no way to blame for his choice to have an affair. Not one tiny bit. You did not cause this at all. This is hard to do, especially in the trauma after DDay but it is true. None of us, no matter the state of our marriage or by our own behaviour, can force someone to have no other option in the way they treat us than to betray us. You did not cause this. Cheating is down to his brokenness, not any alleged defects he later decided he’d found in you.
Blaming you is how he justifies his behaviour. It relieves his cognitive dissonance, ie trying to juggle two contradictory beliefs at the same time. 1: I am a good person. 2: I know I am doing a terrible thing. Now he has a cognitive dilemma: he can’t be a good person and do this terrible thing. But he just wants to, so how to stop feeling guilty and shameful and tell himself he d still a good person? Blame shift! It wasn’t his fault, it was yours. Now he is the victim and you are the aggressor. You drove him to it. And that is all this was, his ridiculous attempts to remain a good person in his head whilst treating you like shit and abandoning his family.
Do not listen to those things he said ringing in your head, it’s a false reality created by him. He cheated by choice, not from coercion from whatever it is he says you did or did not do. But he can’t live with that truth about himself, so history gets re-written and the woman he loved so much that he married her, gets twisted now into the villain of the piece. It’s textbook.
So please read over and over again and believe it: you are and always were enough, it was never your fault. You are not the problem, he is. You are not and never were his policeman or a dictator forcing him to act the way he did. He chose to do these things. You caused none of it.

80s · 22/02/2023 14:46

DDay = the day the affair is revealed

I still feel so used and betrayed by my husband and I cannot see any worth in me.
It's all on him, OP. He was in the position of "power", and look what he did with it. He's the one who should feel ashamed.
Is your therapist any good? Are you still seeing her?

Lambchop1 · 22/02/2023 14:46

Light a candle OP, as today is the day you’ll later come to celebrate every year! The day that nasty arse gave you the freedom you deserve. You are free! You can now get fit, healthy and concentrate on your kids - all whilst he is some one else’s problem. It’s hard now, but this will pass, and when he tries to come back - remember to smile when you shut the door on him.

Thewookiemustgo · 22/02/2023 14:57

@Sophiae778
“All of this is shocking but the one thing I cannot get past in therapy is how he used me for sex after DDay, he encouraged me to try lots of new things completely of his choosing and because I was literally beside myself with grief, I did and now that I’ve had a second DDay, I feel just so doubly betrayed. He was fanatical about sex even coercing me into making out with him in the bathroom during the day whilst our children were watching tv. I’m so ashamed to admit this but at the time I wasn’t thinking straight.”

I wanted to address this point separately. What happened after DDay was trauma, a woman in shock and pain, your world turned upside down. You did anything you could which you thought might turn the situation around. There’s is no shame in this, none at all. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Now that you are calmer you can re-visit the memories and are ashamed of things you did back then, because you don’t think that you’d respond in that way now. However, there’s a huge difference between your state of mind now and your state of mind back then. You had no time to assimilate the new, shocking information. It hit you like a ton of bricks, you had a husband, marriage, children, a whole way of life and security all now under threat. This is huge, and in shock we act in ways we might not if we were calm and had time to think, to process the massive, massive change in our circumstances which sends shock waves into our very core, our sense of self, our self images as women, wives and mothers. We rationalise from a primal fear point of view and we act. We act fast. If we are scared of losing them, of devastating our children, we do things which later with time and hindsight and knowledge we wish we hadn’t.
But if this was a trusted, loved friend who was telling your story, would you tell her that being coerced into sex and doing anything he wanted, should be ashamed of herself? Would you blame her or would you see how traumatised she was, how terrified she was that her life was turning upside down and understand completely that in that state we might do things which at the time seem ok or even necessary?
By your own admission “I wasn’t thinking straight” you are spot on actually and answered your own dilemma. Put what you did into context, @Sophiae778 and believe that none of us are perfect or act according to our values when we perceive we are under threat.
You are suffering from a lot of what is called “carried shame”, ie carrying shame that belongs to others, not you. You were the victim of a manipulative, abusive and coercive man who then tried to gaslight you into believing his wrongdoing was all your fault and took advantage of this and took advantage of you sexually. Do not be tempted to think that because you did all these things that you are ashamed of willingly it was all your fault.
You were abused and taken advantage of at a desperate and low ebb, by the man who put you there. You were his victim and should never blame yourself.
Now, however, is the time to decide that although you have been a victim and suffered trauma, you are not going to be his victim any longer. The blame and shame must be put where it belongs, on him. Once you do that, you’ll find your power and strength. You are going to get through this with your children and have the life you deserve free from this vile man. Do not think of yourself as abandoned, think of yourself as liberated. Sending love X

2crossedout1 · 22/02/2023 14:59

This is awful OP Sad what a nasty revolting prick your ex is. At least you are free of him now.

ShakespearesBlister · 22/02/2023 15:17

Blimey. When he came out with that exhaustive list of demands the only two words out of your mouth should have been Fuck and Off.

80s · 22/02/2023 15:47

in an ideal world @ShakespearesBlister - but when you're reeling from shock and being epically gaslit, things are not always that clear.

tribpot · 22/02/2023 15:57

I still feel so used and betrayed by my husband and I cannot see any worth in me him

Corrected that for you, OP. The things he said and did after the first discovery reflect appallingly on him, not you. You were in shock, you were desperate to keep your family together and protect your children. He knew that, and he exploited it. The person who should feel shame is him. He probably never will (unless hopefully the OW can abuse him the way he did you) but none of this is your fault. Hopefully with the help of your therapist you will come to realise this.

Sophiae778 · 22/02/2023 17:25

Thanks, from the bottom of my heart, for you messages of just sheer compassion.
My therapist is really good and supportive but the behaviour of my husband both before, during and after the discovery of his affair has just really knocked me for six.
By the end of last year, I was effectively mute and I think that as I find my voice, I am struggling to comprehend what happened.
My husband has no insight or at least it appears that way and I feel that to some extent, I never knew him at all, well at least I do not know this version.
He will quite literally look me in the eye and say I had an affair as you’re a b*h and all I can think is how was I so stupid to believe that you loved me.

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Thewookiemustgo · 22/02/2023 19:44

@Sophiae778 don’t listen to him, not one word. He sounds absolutely desperate to exonerate himself from all of this and paint you as the villain. Only deal with him when you have to about practical things, ignore this poison dripping out of him. It sounds like he can’t stand hating himself for what he is doing so he needs to project that onto you, he has broken the marriage and woman he chose in every possible way, therefore it all has to be a horrible mistake to have loved and married you, because otherwise he has to face that he has behaved shamefully to those he loved, including his children. I think he hates himself, is desperately trying to escape his guilt, and getting angry that no matter how much he dresses it up internally he comes out as the bad guy, because the truth is he is the bad guy and can’t stand it. His anger and vitriol is his vain attempt to redirect the anger he feels with himself. To avoid his conscience he deeply needs to show all his past choices as mistakes and all his wrongdoing as the only choice of a poor badly treated victim. On his head he is this great guy who was forced to behave like a terrible guy by his awful wife. His logic unfolds thus: If you are a bitch, who can blame him for infidelity and abandonment? If his marriage was a mistake, made by his younger naive self, he must have been taken in by you and cannot be blamed for wanting to escape. Block all but necessary practical contact and the second the bike starts, calmly tell him you will no longer be spoken to in this and will only resume the conversation when he can be civil. You need distance and detachment now. Grey rock him and take a step back. It’s not easy but you no longer need listen to this nasty liar and are justified in the bare minimum of practical, necessary contact. You have all the moral high ground here, acres of it. Claim it and use it like the decent, caring woman you are. He wouldn’t know a chunk of moral high ground if he fell over it. I know you are hurting terribly and must be exhausted, but try to keep your head high now whilst his sinks in the mud of his own doing. X

Maray1967 · 22/02/2023 19:47

Post above is very wise. He is an awful man - please be strong for your DC and yourself. You did nothing wrong, he did . She is welcome to him.

If he tries to come back, tell him where to go.

Ginger1982 · 22/02/2023 20:00

Urgh, he's disgusting and his new woman will find that out soon enough. Don't engage with him on any level. Do things that make you feel good. Do not for one second let him think that he has got to you, even though it's killing you. He's enjoying the power he thinks he has over you.