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Custody split and family home - husband can't cope with the kids

31 replies

ConfusedxApple · 06/02/2023 11:43

I am thinking of leaving my husband. We have been married for eight years and have three children aged five and under.

My husband has been depressed on and off since the birth of our first child. The whole family is suffering as a result. He shouts and swears at the children multiple times a day, often for really minor things like not putting their shoes on fast enough. The children talk about how daddy is 'angry'. They are quite shy and anxious and I worry that part of that is due to them being told off so often. My husband refuses to acknowledge there is an issue and says, simply, 'It's the kids! They drive me mad!' (rather than something along the lines of 'They were being frustrating and I reacted in a way I'm not proud of, and I know I need to work on that'). As a result, there is quite often a horrible atmosphere and things like holidays and special occasions pass under a dark cloud because we are just waiting for him to be triggered and ruin it with his aggression.

Aside from his moodiness, he drinks quite heavily, goes on all-day sessions to the football most weekends, gambles secretly on multiple websites, and has recently started vaping. He goes AWOL on nights out once a month or so and ends up losing his phone, his bank cards, his passport, etc, etc then stumbles home in the early hours, blind drunk.

In short, his behaviour is like that of a moody, rebellious teenager. I think he is unhappy living the life of a family man, and all the responsibilities that come with that, and the potentially destructive behaviours he is engaging in are an attempt to make himself feel better.

He is on antidepressants already, but is not interested in talking to a doc about changing the dosage or type. He has repeatedly refused to try counselling. I have tried really hard to help him over the years but I won't write about how here as that's not the point of this thread. Suffice to say, I think I have reached the point where I don't think I CAN help him.

ANYWAY, if you've made it this far, my question is: Given the fact he is verbally aggressive towards the children, what are the chances of him being granted 50/50 custody? I think he has the potential to be a great dad if he had a longer break from them and more free time, but I think he'd go for 50/50 (or more) because he felt he should and almost to 'win'. Could I realistically argue that max 1-2 nights a week would be in the best interests of all parties? The thought of leaving them unsupervised with his rages for half the week terrifies me.

Also, although I could possibly JUST afford the mortgage and bills solo, there is no way the mortgage company would transfer the amount we owe just to me. The outstanding mortgage is around 7 or 8 times my salary as it is, and then I expect I would need to pay my husband £100k+ for his share of the equity. How on earth do people afford divorce??? We both work and earn roughly the same.

For what it's worth, I don't hate my husband. I feel desperately sad and sorry for him. I don't want to take him to the cleaners and leave him financially ruined. I also don't want to drag his name through mud. However, I do want my children to have as happy a childhood as possible.

I'm at the very early stages here so please be kind if I'm being completely ignorant. I would just really welcome some advice and tips from those who have been through a similar situation.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 06/02/2023 13:13

OP,

You need legal advice.

You sound reasonable but your children are being abused emotionally and are showing all the signs of being damaged.

Ring Women's aid for advice and start planning for yourself.

He may tell you he wants 50/50 but that is just more abuse.

Tell him that 50/59 is fine and see how he is going to arrange that.

The most important thing is that your children have a break from the abuse when they are with you.

Sell tge house, rent for a bit.
Ask family to help.
Reach out to friends.

But get those children away from living with an angry alcoholic abuser, because that IS who he is.

Poor children.
How utterly terrifying for them.

Notgoodatthis24 · 06/02/2023 14:10

I think the chances of him wanting 50/50 are pretty much zero!

ShangPie · 06/02/2023 17:11

Didn’t want to read and run 💐

In your shoes, I would be doing the MN classic of getting my ‘ducks in a row’ - there are dozens of threads on what this means for various scenarios

On 50/50, this is something they always say they want but in practice CBA to actually do. As PP suggests, best to agree in principle and ask him to look into it and make some suggestions. Pretty sure he either won’t even do that or will look then realise that he can’t.

Another reason he may say he wants 50/50 is for maintenance payments. If he’s not doing 50/50, then you should be eligible for CMS payments as well (especially if he’s working a salaried job as it can be deducted at source)

Get on the phone to a few local solicitors and ask for a free initial consultation with them to get some legal advice on your individual situation.

Good luck OP, you can do this - get yourself and your kids out from under this manipulative and aggressive man!

larchforest · 06/02/2023 17:16

I suspect that the chances of him being awarded 50/50 custody are very low indeed, because from what you've said about him, it looks like he isn't going to be wanting to do that anyway.

If he is aggressive towards them (and that includes shouting and upsetting them and making them anxious) then he really shouldn't be looking after them at all.

Whatislove82 · 06/02/2023 17:17

Who is primary carer?

mishmased · 06/02/2023 17:24

Given what you've just weird about his interaction with the kids, would you be comfortable leaving them with him? I wouldn't, it would be supervised visits and until he signs up for anger management and sees someone about his depression, no I won't leave the kids with him unsupervised.
And yea I would leave him, just for his behavior towards the kids, that is traumatising.

mathanxiety · 06/02/2023 17:26

Start by documenting all the behaviour you listed. If you can document lost cards and IDs and replacements then do that too. Maybe there are credit card issuer notifications of replacement cards, etc. Keep a diary for a month. Note the children's responses.

Contact the children's school or nursery to seek any input from them wrt any children's comments on daddy, whether they seem anxious / withdrawn / fearful / or inclined to act out what they've seen daddy doing or saying at home, etc. A safeguarding lead in school or nursery might be able to steer you to support services. Being on their books is proof of a problem.

See a solicitor.

Start looking for a house to rent.

user1471538283 · 10/02/2023 07:08

I doubt he will want joint custody. If he isn't coping now with you there he won't want to even try to cope on his own.

I think he will be on all weekend benders as soon as he can.

Isthisexpected · 10/02/2023 07:16

I'm sorry this has happened to you and your marriage. From what I've read on here lots of shouty verbally aggressive men are awarded contact through court. It's incredibly difficult to prove that it's happening and so I have read many women stay in unhappy scenarios just to ensure they're around to protect the kids.

Prettypaisleyslippers · 10/02/2023 07:21

Why would you even want him to have the DC even one or two nights?? I would be looking at supervised visits only, ideally with his family members.

get this toxic abuser away from your children!!!

TheClitterati · 10/02/2023 07:22

Can you start recording his outbursts? If you can safely do this it might be useful evidence.

Outtasteamandluck · 10/02/2023 07:23

He doesn't want them now at 100% by the sounds of it !!

Is it likely he'd want 50/50?

EezyOozy · 10/02/2023 07:27

Would you really want them going at all, if he behaves as you describe ?

Rainbowqueeen · 10/02/2023 07:35

Womens aid is a really good starting point for you.

It might be possible to get a mesher order, where you can stay in the family home until your youngest is 18 and then the house is sold and equity split. I think they are hard to come by but it’s worth exploring.

You might get benefits as a single parent.

I agree that it is worth documenting everything starting now. Womens aid have a list of lawyers who are experts in dealing with difficult relationship breakdowns - that’s the kind of lawyer you need.

Sucessinthenewyear · 10/02/2023 07:39

Yy to women’s aid.

He is a emotionally abusing your children and has an alcohol problem. I would say his drinking is far worse than the average teenage rebellion.

I very much doubt he will want 50/50. He may say it but he isn’t going to actually do it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2023 07:41

Apple

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up? What is your parent’s relationship like?. Did you actually meet this man when you were say late teens and barely out of childhood yourself?.

Abuse is not solely physical in nature.

It is more accurate to say that sometimes abusive people also have depression. Anger management classes is no answer to domestic violence which is also what you are describing.

Abuse is about power and control and this man wants absolute over you all. He’s bullying and otherwise emotionally harming his children right in front of your very eyes.

You have a choice re this man, they do not. Do not make his abuses of you all the cornerstone of their respective childhoods. Get legal advice and start divorce proceedings as soon as you are able. I also doubt very much he would want 50/50 at all given how he behaves and is likely saying such as a way to further punish, otherwise control you and to avoid paying child maintenance. What makes you think though that he has the potential to be a good dad?. He is not a good dad to his children now and I think you walk on eggshells too aka living in fear around him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/02/2023 07:43

And if he did want to see his children then he should use a contact centre.

and do also contact Women’s Aid, they can help you here.

Blessedwithsunshine · 10/02/2023 07:52

My dad was just like this minus the gambling and drunk nights and I am still unpicking the damage 50 years later.

Your children will be terrified of him, and will grow to loathe him. At some point they will grow up and try to defend themselves. It is likely to get worse lot better.

He is not a father op, he is an abusive monster and the very best thing you can do, as you have already said is leave as soon as you safely can.

Your dh may not be depressed, he may simply hate children and being a father, as my dad did and still does. It is extremely harmful to be around this level of anger and unpredictability.

I am so pleased you are leaving. Gather as much support as you can, take good legal advice and give your children the childhood they deserve.

TreesAreGreen123 · 10/02/2023 07:56

I think him wanting even 25% custody is a stretch!

Thisisworsethananticpated · 10/02/2023 08:17

I agree that you need a female friendly legal firm
if moneys an options there are also very good divorce coaches (my friend used one who’s an ex family law barrister ) who told her what’s what

happy to send a pm with details

it worth spending some money to get the best advice and it’s also motivating

fwiw you are doing the right thing
its going to be miserable otherwise and will mess them up

x

Scepticalwotsits · 10/02/2023 08:20

I’m often of the view that we should be looking to 50/50 and that there shouldn’t be the expectation that the mother automatically ‘gets the kids’ however that is only true when both parties are normal functioning humans and not abusive monsters. As people have said plan an exit, and push for full custody

Sereni5 · 10/02/2023 08:43

You need to fight for full custody, he is emotionally abusing your very small children and the effects of this are already apparent. Document everything and speak to women’s aid and get your kids away from him as fast as your legs will carry you. He won’t want them 50/50 anyway, even if he says otherwise out of spite. What a prick.

Seapoint2002 · 10/02/2023 08:56

Housing wise, it would be expected that you can both, if possible buy houses with enough bedrooms for the children so probably 3/4 in your case. If that means moving to a cheaper area so you can do that, that would be expected. IF you have them more days then there will be CMS to pay if you have them 50/50 there wont if you earn similar money.

Mix56 · 10/02/2023 09:08

It is unlikely he would get 50/50 even if he says he wants it, you are clearly the primary carer.
I think you should find good female solicitor, (suggestions via WA)
meanwhile, you can look at that your finances really look like as a single parent. contact the CAB & get info about where to look.
Do you want/need to stay in the same house/area.
Would you be happier moving nearer family/friends
are the DC at school/think about a schools move?
Selling the house, down sizing is probably the best plan, a new "chez toi", which is all yours. A new happy safe place for your DC

You should take your time, don't reveal any of this to your H until you are informed. However, there's a chance he will feel the "wind change" so you need to change your phone email log in.
remove important paperwork from the house, give to parent of friend

There are 2 main ongoing scenarios:
He will probably make lots of (empty) promises to go to AA, & "deal" with his depression
or, he will get angry, & potentially physically abusive, & finally threaten suicide.
if the latter is the case, you call his family, or emergency number & tell them he is threatening to injure himself. You do NOT take responsibility for his poor choices & lack of self help.
Take one step at a time. try & note down his history of agression & when he goes on benders, (keep this somewhere he doesn't find it !)
How many times he has lost his wallet etc. What time he comes in. It will be quite easy to prove he is not able to have DC unsupervised.

Ofcourseshecan · 10/02/2023 09:18

They are quite shy and anxious and I worry that part of that is due to them being told off so often.

Part of it or all of it!

OP, I can only hope he will be allowed so little time with them, that he can keep his temper under control long enough to treat them decently.